Earlier this week, Destructoid promoted an interesting blog from one of our community members, titled "eSports: Really??" To say that Elsa's opinion generated quite a bit of heat is to put it very lightly indeed. A whirlwind of debate struck up, as some argued that gaming can be considered a sport, while others disagreed.
The debate, inherently, proved that playing games cannot be considered a sport. Those who want to represent eSports provided the evidence themselves.
It was by sheer virtue of their reaction that they did it. The level of childish insecurity, denial and accompanying viciousness from some people demonstrated that eSports has a long way to go before it can be deserving of the same level of respect as any athletic endeavor.

Elsa's article prompted one blogger to pen a counter-piece (one of several going up), "Ignore it and it will go away," in which he did anything but ignore it. He called it "baffling troll-bait" (apparently happy to take the bait while doing so) and went so far as to accuse Elsa of having a "damaged mind" for daring to suggest that there's no risk of major injuries in gaming.
One of the most prominent reactions came from DJ Wheat, who is something of a celebrity within the competitive gaming circuit. His reaction was as childish as it was volatile -- attacking Destructoid as a whole by tweeting, "I wish I had the energy to give a fuck about this DTOID blog ... frankly you can't cure ignorance. Learn to research you fucks."
Of course, he clearly did have the energy to give a fuck, since he followed that tweet with several more, exposing how much he cared in spite of his affected attempts to appear dismissive. It's a common thread among such people -- going to great pains to say they "don't care" what outsiders think of the industry, then launching into long, angry diatribes that betray their real emotional investment.
These instances aren't isolated; they're just two of the most noteworthy. There are people on forums and social networks across the Internet, raging passionately at the Destructoid article and taking it incredibly seriously. But then you consider the most important fact of all ... Elsa isn't even a Destructoid writer. She's a community member. A reader. That's not to say her opinions are invalid or not worth discussing, but she's not representing anybody but herself. In essence, we have a community of eSports fans and some very prominent spokesmen for the industry, upset and angry over the opinion of a single random gamer on the Internet.
Before we promoted her article, we had a week of excellent EVO coverage by our official staff member, Jesse Cortez, a man who loves competitive gaming and paid it due respect. We promoted one less enthusiastic voice from among our community, and that's what was latched onto -- to the exclusion of all else -- as proof that Destructoid hates professional gamers now. It's pitiful.
eSports fans love to validate themselves with comparisons to real sports, so I've got one for you! The reaction to Elsa's blog from certain industry members is akin to me writing an article stating that football isn't a real sport, and having John Madden email an entire article back to explain why I'm an idiot for thinking it. It wouldn't happen, because Madden is A) Too busy with his real sport to care and B) Knows that football is so obviously a sport that he needs to do nothing but laugh and move on -- if he could even muster that much of a reaction.
This is where we reach the crucial difference between the world of eSports and the world of sports. Until eSports spokesmen can learn to get over the criticism and fucking deal with it, gaming can never be considered a sport. A man with over 23,000 Twitter followers shouldn't be calling a random community member a "fuck" in public because she stated a contrary opinion. In a "real" sport, whoever did that would be mocked openly and regarded as a very poor example of his industry. In eSports, that level of unwarranted, infantile aggression is apparently applauded.
It is, how you say, not very sporting of someone to attack one of our readers for her opinion.
It's not the first time this has happened, either, even in recent memory. Just type "Kotaku eSports" into Google for an afternoon's worth of reading fun. That entire site hasn't yet been forgiven for "shitting" on eSports, and as we see such articles as "eSports Community Rallies against Kotaku article," I have to ask: What is the community so afraid of? Why is eSports such a fragile and delicate little buttercup that it needs protecting so viciously?
I used to be the same way when it came to games and art. I'd get all bent out of shape when the likes of Roger Ebert would declare that games could never be art, but then I realized... what the fuck do I care? I think games are art, so the opinion of one old man who won't be around much longer doesn't really matter. Let him think what he thinks; I'm too busy playing games to care whether or not they're respected by strangers! Sadly, there are still too many people who do get upset by the likes of Ebert, and they undermine the entire idea of games as an artistic medium by virtue of their own lack of confidence.
I'm all about like-for-like debate. If you're up against a mean-spirited individual with a significant audience who is claiming that pro gamers are all virgins who deserve to die alone, then by all means, let 'em have it. Crude attacks constructed to deliberately harm reputations definitely deserve a fight. I've argued in the name of childish behavior before when dealing with such people. There's a major difference, however, between using an opponent's childish tactics against them and responding to reasonably written material with an unwarranted, completely overindulgent level of vitriol, especially when this person is not an influential pundit on a big stage, but a gamer blogging in their spare time who simply wanted to share an opinion. There's absolutely nothing to be gained in that instance, so it shouldn't be worth that level of anger and hate.
Someone who constantly demands respect and validation usually doesn't deserve it, and I know I definitely can't respect eSports while it's full of so many insecure little men who can't take a bit of criticism from someone who isn't even a staffed writer at any gaming outlet. Those who got angry and hateful ought to be ashamed of themselves and feel incredibly stupid. As ambassadors for eSports, they let their entire industry down and demonstrated only that things have a long way to go before they can be considered respectable.
I appreciate that it's a long road to get competitive gaming recognized in the mainstream. Even among gamers, it's a hard sell. Some people straight-up don't like it. Others enjoy it, but can't seriously feel it's a "sport" of any kind. Insecure demands and entitled expectations of respect are not the way to get the dignity that some feel it deserves. It needs spokesmen, not demagogues or trained attack dogs. It needs celebration, not petty little counter-attacks to articles that really would have gone away by now if nobody had gotten so pathetically upset.
There is good debate to be had over whether we can call gaming a sport or not -- but it needs to be a real debate. Infantile gibbering and screams of "IGNORANT! YOU'RE SO IGNORANT" isn't a reasonable discussion. We're planning to publish a pro-eSports article from a member of the industry this week, and he's been prepared to actually debate the matter, rather than simply repeat the same "YOU'RE STUPID" rhetoric slung around by others. They could learn from his example and engage in a discussion, rather than a blind, angsty defense.
By all means, champion eSports to those who seek to harm it, but don't get your panties in a bunch because a person doesn't think "sport" is the right classification. Such a level of venom in an argument over fucking semantics is disgraceful, and until an unrecognized writer can criticize eSports without earning the wrath of some of its biggest supporters, it's no sport in my eyes. It might be one day, but this week, it certainly isn't.
I stopped reading after this. What do some dumb forum and blog comments have to do with the presence of or lack thereof of eSports?
Personally, I think we're steadily making progress here. I don't care about the semantics of what you call it, but people are definitely spending more and more time watching other people play vidjagaemz.
If you'd have not stopped reading, you'd know.
Not to take sides, but I'm not sure how valid "I don't like the fans so it's not a sport" really is, or why anyone should actually care that you have this opinion.
Also, English soccer fans offend me with their riots, WHERE PEOPLE DIE, so that's not a sport, either.
I have spent the better part of the last 3 months or so watching huge amounts of SC2 and Quake Live, rather than TV. These two games showcase a level of skill and competitiveness not seen at all in the more popular MLG games. Evo showcased another form of competitive gaming that far exceeds what is most popular.
If gaming is to be considered competitive on a world class scale that puts it side by side with other competitive endeavors, then first we must agree what is and is not competitive in gaming itself. That is where I feel the real debate is. Should Halo and Call of Duty be considered the pinnacle of gaming competition, or should more purist games like Starcraft, Quake, and Street Fighter hold that distinction? If you ask me, games like Halo and COD are little league compared to these games.
It's actually one of the nicer aspects of Dtoid that any of the community bloggers can have a blog promoted to the front page... though I guess sometimes it backfires and our random ramblings get taken out of context as some sort of journalism or professional opinion.
I love gaming, I love competitive gaming... I just personally don't see it as a sport and frankly I think that competitive gaming is far more interesting and fun. As noted, it's like the whole games are art argument... it's mostly semantics anyway and none of it is really a big deal. Personally I just think gaming is gaming... and I love it! It's part art, part game, part sport - it's just it's own thing and should be celebrated as such.
... but of course that's just the opinion of one gamer.
(and I was kinda hoping the whole thing would just die away... but I guess not for a while longer! LOL!)
I altered the use of the word "fan" in the article to reflect that. It's more about the spokesmen and defenders.
opinion of a single random gamer on the Internet.
It should be:
opinion of a single awesome gamer on the Internet.
We love you Elsa!!!
You did good, Elsa!
That's EXACTLY what I said, yes. To the very letter.
I want that on a t-shirt.
As for yesterday, its a shame when a chance for discussion and debate turns into the parking lot of an all ages club in Alabama at 2 am.
Also I second what LawofThermalDynamics said
;D
Jk we love ya Elsa
Attacking someone, actually, whining about someone's opinion is so immature and such a waste of time. She makes clear points of why she thinks esports shouldn't be considered sports. Throwing back "UR DUMMY" is such a waste of time. I was reading the comments on her article and laughing about how tactless they where near the end, containing no counterpoints or validity. I guess that's an opinion as well, but too bad you're not as talented as Elsa in showing us why that's your opinion.
And for the record, I don't think it's a sport at all. That's not putting it down, that's just because it's not a sport, and the mainstream is never going to call it a sport because you're not even moving around. It takes more than just being competitive, it has to be somewhat physical. Call it competitive gaming and no one will bat an eyelash, because that's what it is. The hyper-sensitivity probably comes from deep-seeded insecurity from the inner realization that it's not a sport, even though they deny it.
Is Jeopardy a sport? Is debate team a sport? They're both competitive, and don't require any physical exertion. Is a short story contest a sport? Of course these aren't sports.
I don't really care if you guys keep calling it a sport even though it isn't. But don't flip out on people for disagreeing with you. Until you can explain to me why Jeopardy is a legitimate sport, then realize the obvious truth that many people disagree about your definition of what a sport is. The only people convince are those that back down from bullies, which is pathetic.
There’s enjoying completive gaming and then there’s those that take it way too seriously, and the latter are fucking crazy. The only thing that validates their opinion about games being like sport is that they’re acting like our version of football hooligans.
I see people at events like EVO who really look like they’re a community enjoying things and I hope they’re the majority, but these people who are just dickheads about it, they’ve soured me on competitive gaming, now and before.
They make the most hard-line, pretentious, GAMES ARE ART snob, look pleasant.
Firstly, you give quite the honor to DJ Wheat. You elevate him to the level of a John Madden for eSports. Then you use his vitriol(and others) as your basis for why eSports can't be a sport.
To use an analogy of my own, this would be like saying that the PS3 isn't a real gaming console because of all the rabid fanboys or the game developers with ridiculous claims about how only it can run some game they've written.
If you want to defend the previous article, that's fine and I support that. I just don't think a group of idiots and assholes supporting something invalidates the thing.
If anything, what I've garnered from all this is eSports has a very vocal and very worthless group of human refuse behind it. That's really not all that different from any other sport.
On the flip side, I hope Dtoid doesn't pussy out and try to use the whole "it was a community blog" bs. If you promote an article to your front page you are endorsing that article whether or not that writer got paid.
Oh well, you somehow got me to look at your shitty site again for the first time in 9 months. Guess that counts for something right?
This is the part of your argument that makes little sense to me. Charles Barkley gets involved all the time, many high profile sports figures engage in this shit every single day. People love Charles Barkley for it, he roasts anyone he feels like with abandon. He's not alone either, as a sports fan who actively keeps up with sports the world over, high profile sports figures are always defending their interests with little consideration for how offensive they are in doing so. In fact, it is rampant, and one of the things that makes following sports so interesting, especially in countries with more roughneck leagues.
I agree that the supporters of esports are as much to blame for its lack of acceptance on the established competitive world stage (for the most part), but DJ Wheat's statements are no less appalling and out of place than anything that goes on in major athletic sports leagues. I understand where your'e coming from, but I would say that your are grossly overestimating the maturity level of those involved in established athletic sport.
Though I commend Elsa on getting the righteousness she deserves instead of the BS she's been getting from people like whoever the hell DJ Wheat...
Excuse me, but what? DJ Wheat? That's worse that Deadmau5.
If you ignore fanatical hockey, football, and baseball fans.. YES! :D (yes i put hockey in bold for a very specific reason) <3 penguins!
Also, if you want to see some serious, well respected and actually damn mature crowd of eSports you need only look here : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U2MJiOoBdx0?t=4m19s - A gauntlet of honor and respect among both the people who watch, and those who play.
I think some people got pissed about how some of Elsa's opinions came across as fact but yhe counterpoints were totally drowned out by the hate.
Elsa is a star and I read all of her blogs but as an opinion piece I thought the esports piece did come across as lacking research and badly worded.
However, if someone argued against me in a thoughtful and elequent way like Elsa did, then I would reply with counter-points like a civilised human being.
It's a small man complex though. For all the attention this most recent Evo got (and I have to say, it's still not for me. Just made me want to play SF4 some more), it's still a small fledgling thing, so everyone that's into video games has to like it or they will be part ofthe problem in their eyes.
I stopped there, with "real" sports causing full on riots with damages in the millions, even in so called peaceful loving Canada. I have to assume the rest of the article is direct dribble in the defense of putting the originating article up and has no real premise.
I disagree with that, and there is actually pretty recent precedence as to why. I remember when "extreme sports" were not only not classified as sports, but viewed negatively, and now it's a huge industry. I used to run an indoor skate park, I've met many of the most popular skaters, and many of them were complete assholes. They weren't stars or household names back then, though, they were just guys who were in skating magazines. They smoked pot in the van, tagged any paint-able surface, and started fights with fans.
You simply can't compare the stars of an established sport with those of a budding sport. The people you're talking about don't have managers, or agents, or marketing teams, or lawyers on staff, or public relations people. The rules are a lot different with a fringe sport that is fighting for acceptance than with an established sport with billions of dollars behind it.