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@fightmejimmy: Now THERE'S something I can get behind!
But in all seriousness, it's really disheartening to see a vulgar display of ignorance from an organization that has such clout in our beloved industry. I sincerely hope that the ESA can pull their heads forth from their collective asses and see the very real danger SOPA poses to not only to their trade, but to freedom of speech as a whole.
But in all seriousness, it's really disheartening to see a vulgar display of ignorance from an organization that has such clout in our beloved industry. I sincerely hope that the ESA can pull their heads forth from their collective asses and see the very real danger SOPA poses to not only to their trade, but to freedom of speech as a whole.
I'm pretty sure all major gaming companies want the ESA to support SOPA. As Jim has previously mentioned on this site, this allows the game companies to support SOPA through the ESA while at the same time opposing SOPA themselves to improve PR with their consumers.
The ESA hasn't given two shits about actual gamers so much as they make sure giant publishers like EA and Acti stay afloat with actual game sales. If they honestly cared about gamers themselves they would speak out about online passes and such. Do they? No. All the ESA wants is to make sure giant publishers get their share of the pie.
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
Fuck you, ESA
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Fuck you, ESA
I'm sure they have the right intentions in mind in protecting their members' IPs and such, but they're going about it all wrong. Don't they know that the laws need to be reworded before they're passed through? If they're looking to work with Congress on that, then they should be proactively educating people on these issues.
Of course, they just may not give any fucks. In that case, I'm sure you all have pitchforks ready and waiting.
Of course, they just may not give any fucks. In that case, I'm sure you all have pitchforks ready and waiting.
Geez, way for that guy to totally side step all the problems with SOPA. The bill just has so many problems, I won't even go into all of them, I'll just stick with my pet peeve: The bypassing of due process, and there by the rule of law. SOPA basically puts certain rights, in particular situations, into the hands of corporations. Yes, I use "certain" and "particular", as in "limited" but these are our rights here, they should never be handed over to the highest bidder (see large corporations).
I wish I was suprised, but nothing short of mass demonstrations at their offices and full scale boycotts are going to disuade the from this course of action. The ESA is nothing more than a fig leaf for publishers to denounce it publicly but still financially support efforts to pass SOPA and Protect IP.
The ESA is setting itself up for a win/win. Right now, it remains steadfast in its only logical action as lobby, to back anything and everything that its constituent members stand to benefit from regardless of its impact on the larger picture.
Down the road, when SOPA is ultimately defeated, they can say that while they supported politicians in their efforts, the effort itself was fundamentally flawed; that they had to support it regardless of how imperfect it was, as it was a bill that needed their support to be valid in any way. This way, when the new SOPA emerges, and it most certainly will, they can take a more dominant role in its writing than they had previously. It will be played off as a compromise, and they will rally behind the notion that they are well qualified to find a more balanced solution. Of course it will only seem more balanced compared to SOPA as it currently stands.
They're not dumb, they know SOPA does not have a snowball's chance in hell as it is currently written. The members of the ESA are playing good cop to the ESA's bad cop, the ESA as a cohesive entity that is, and they will all wait to hop on board the legislation that rises from SOPA's ashes. At this point, anything less intrusive and insane will seem reasonable, and that's all they'll need.
Down the road, when SOPA is ultimately defeated, they can say that while they supported politicians in their efforts, the effort itself was fundamentally flawed; that they had to support it regardless of how imperfect it was, as it was a bill that needed their support to be valid in any way. This way, when the new SOPA emerges, and it most certainly will, they can take a more dominant role in its writing than they had previously. It will be played off as a compromise, and they will rally behind the notion that they are well qualified to find a more balanced solution. Of course it will only seem more balanced compared to SOPA as it currently stands.
They're not dumb, they know SOPA does not have a snowball's chance in hell as it is currently written. The members of the ESA are playing good cop to the ESA's bad cop, the ESA as a cohesive entity that is, and they will all wait to hop on board the legislation that rises from SOPA's ashes. At this point, anything less intrusive and insane will seem reasonable, and that's all they'll need.
Nothing is going to happen until their blind stupidity causes their world to shatter. Just wait it out.
Unfortunately the majority of the industry could fall casualty to this.
Unfortunately the majority of the industry could fall casualty to this.
Well I just said it earlier in the open letter: Fuck you ESA... I still function.
Beyond that, really, it appears as if the ESA doesn't have a clue about what this legislation will do beyond what it hopes it'll do for them. Only appears to be looking about as far as its own nose.
Beyond that, really, it appears as if the ESA doesn't have a clue about what this legislation will do beyond what it hopes it'll do for them. Only appears to be looking about as far as its own nose.
SOPA isn't even going to stop piracy. Those guys are the most vigilant motherfuckers around. They will find a way. All it's going to do is harm legitimate websites like Dtoid. The whole "exemption" thing for supporters just proves how corrupt and irresponsible this bill is. It's censorship in the worst way.
All hail Big Brother.
All hail Big Brother.
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"As an industry of money makers and thieves, we understand the importance of both making money and content protection, and do not believe the two are mutually exclusive. Communist rogue websites – those singularly devoted to profiting from their blatant illegal piracy – restrict demand for legitimate video game products, second hand sales, online passes, DLCs and inexistent services, thereby costing jobs that we intent to eliminate anyway. Our industry needs to buyout the congressmen to address this specific problem, and we support the corrupted House and Senate proposals to achieve this objective through unscrupulous means. We don't mind concerns raised about a negative impact on the network neutrality. We look forward to working with the corrupted House and Senate, and all interested parties to make money, to find the right balance between censorship and liberty, define useful abusive laws to combat willful communist wrongdoers that do not impede lawful product and immoral business model."
"As an industry of money makers and thieves, we understand the importance of both making money and content protection, and do not believe the two are mutually exclusive. Communist rogue websites – those singularly devoted to profiting from their blatant illegal piracy – restrict demand for legitimate video game products, second hand sales, online passes, DLCs and inexistent services, thereby costing jobs that we intent to eliminate anyway. Our industry needs to buyout the congressmen to address this specific problem, and we support the corrupted House and Senate proposals to achieve this objective through unscrupulous means. We don't mind concerns raised about a negative impact on the network neutrality. We look forward to working with the corrupted House and Senate, and all interested parties to make money, to find the right balance between censorship and liberty, define useful abusive laws to combat willful communist wrongdoers that do not impede lawful product and immoral business model."
I wonder, could this also be an attempt for publishers to have even more control over how their games are covered by the games media?? I mean, there's really zero ability for investigative journalism or small sites to get first word on something since publishers already control the flow of information and will attempt to blacklist anyone/site who goes against what they want.
tehtimeisnow, no piracy? Haha yuh you just do a search for install0us and get back to me ya?
I thought the ESA were good guys. This sucks.
I thought the ESA were good guys. This sucks.
It is called Corporate Greed. What these people who think they know it all don't realize that no matter what they try to do to stop piracy there will always be a way around the restrictions they put into place. What they also got to know is that they will also lose a lot of customers.
This is what happens when a media becomes a cash cow, they milk it until it is fucking dry. This will signal the end of gaming as we know it. Welcome to 1984.
This is what happens when a media becomes a cash cow, they milk it until it is fucking dry. This will signal the end of gaming as we know it. Welcome to 1984.
Why is it that politicians, people who we vote for to represent us, make stupid shit up that the people don't want? Because it is a representation of what the corporate people want. Typical assholes. What we need is a whole new way of a political structure that does not focus on what corporate fuckers want.
I feel so stupid for actually thinking the ESA ever cared about the gaming community. Now I see them for what they are, a bunch of lobbyists.
Someone mentioned many articles ago that the names of the politicians who wrote and are trying to pass SOPA should be posted for the gaming public to see. If you're serious about this crap pissing you off you should register to vote and do your best to make sure those politicians never see office again.
Freedom. Use it.
Someone mentioned many articles ago that the names of the politicians who wrote and are trying to pass SOPA should be posted for the gaming public to see. If you're serious about this crap pissing you off you should register to vote and do your best to make sure those politicians never see office again.
Freedom. Use it.
What I read in the ESA's statement:
"As an industry of innovators and creators, we understand the importance of both technological innovation and content protection, and do not believe the two are mutually exclusive. People in general – those singularly devoted to ignoring decrepit, outdated old concepts of copyright law – can independently review games for legitimate video game products without sanction, thereby making some of those games look bad on YouTube and blogs. Hollywood, Nashville and the video game industry need effective remedies to address this specific problem, and we support censorship to achieve this objective. because First Amendment what? We wholly don't give a fuck regarding the concerns raised about a negative impact on innovation. We look forward to paying off the right Senators and Congressmen, and all interested parties, to alter the deal between use and the public. Pray we don't alter it any further."
Did I hear that right?
"As an industry of innovators and creators, we understand the importance of both technological innovation and content protection, and do not believe the two are mutually exclusive. People in general – those singularly devoted to ignoring decrepit, outdated old concepts of copyright law – can independently review games for legitimate video game products without sanction, thereby making some of those games look bad on YouTube and blogs. Hollywood, Nashville and the video game industry need effective remedies to address this specific problem, and we support censorship to achieve this objective. because First Amendment what? We wholly don't give a fuck regarding the concerns raised about a negative impact on innovation. We look forward to paying off the right Senators and Congressmen, and all interested parties, to alter the deal between use and the public. Pray we don't alter it any further."
Did I hear that right?
Crackin' down on the Internet is necessary for this bullshit agenda of the globalist bankers to be successful.
@orz: Exactly. Just like most anti-piracy efforts of the past, the primary effect of this legislation will be twofold: 1) it will only encourage pirates to work harder and 2) it will punish those of us who actually do follow the rules. I'm not in support of piracy, but this particular kind of anti-piracy measure never ends well.
States obvious: no matter what it'll do the pirates will find a way around it so regular people are the only ones that'll suffer. These companies really need to learn a thing or two about these guys instead of signing a hastily written bill that would only make things way worse thinking that the problem would disappear over night. But hey...
no country has the right to censor and police the internet. The internet connects all the people of the world. It belongs to everyone. No one has the right to decide how we use it.
Wait, what's that I hear? is it the sound of money being transferred into the bank accounts of all ESA members??
Apparently the ESA members have forgotten that when you are selling something that is not a necessity, you have little leeway in fucking over your customers.
"rogue websites" are profiting from listing torrents for searches?
My god, I totally didn't realize that thepiratebay was making someone nefarious Scrooge McDuck quantities of cash.
My god, I totally didn't realize that thepiratebay was making someone nefarious Scrooge McDuck quantities of cash.
Why don't you all try making a hugely popular game and see how it feels when your biggest work gets pirated en masse?
@Excel-2011
Why don't you try playing a single-player game you paid $60 and get booted out of it because the game lost it connection with the DRM server (because the server in question crashed)?
Why don't you try playing a single-player game you paid $60 and get booted out of it because the game lost it connection with the DRM server (because the server in question crashed)?
@Excel-2011: I feel you, but this kind of legislation is like using a sledgehammer to hang a portrait on the wall. I don't have a problem with examining the issue of piracy. I just don't want you to knock my house down.
As a bit of an aside, for sites like Destructoid, what sort of scenario would allow SOPA to block it? Does Destructoid currently do anything that would result in SOPA blocking it?
To the guy who asked if Dtoid would technically be affected by SOPA, perhaps not, but it would open the floodgates for all sorts of abuses by these mega-publishers, namely the reselling of goods (teh vidyagames) on Dtoid's site, and the non-freeuse content this site uses sometimes in stories (hey,we all make mistakes and it's so hard to tell what is and isn't free-use these days....ironically). SOPA should just go eat a bag of dicks though. I don't know how an as-yet unpublished and ratified bill would go about eating a bag of dicks but I still think it/they/FUCKFACESSS should.
To the guy who asked if Dtoid would technically be affected by SOPA, perhaps not, but it would open the floodgates for all sorts of abuses by these mega-publishers, namely the reselling of goods (teh vidyagames) on Dtoid's site, and the non-freeuse content this site uses sometimes in stories (hey,we all make mistakes and it's so hard to tell what is and isn't free-use these days....ironically). SOPA should just go eat a bag of dicks though. I don't know how an as-yet unpublished and ratified bill would go about eating a bag of dicks but I still think it/they/FUCKFACESSS should.
@RaginDude
That doesn't make piracy okay. You can buy the game and CRACK the DRM out of it, that's legal. Downloading the whole game to circumvent the DRM isn't.
That doesn't make piracy okay. You can buy the game and CRACK the DRM out of it, that's legal. Downloading the whole game to circumvent the DRM isn't.
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