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When Epic isn't busy accidentally banning modders, the videogame world darling is doing many other things. One thing Epic Games isn't doing, however, is playing the Nintendo Wii, if president Mike Capps has any say on the matter.

Comparing the console to a virus, Capps has discussed how the desire for a Wii spreads from person to person, but the desire to play it once bought rarely lingers on:

"It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, 'Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it ... So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on."

I can't deny that I grew tired of my Wii after two months, but with Super Smash Bros. on the shelves and Mario Kart Wii on the way, is the old "nobody plays the Wii" argument outdated? That said, are Smash Bros. and Mario Kart enough to justify a console, and what exactly does Nintendo have up its sleeve after its tried and tested IPs are all out of the shed?

Either way, Capps is certainly right on the virus part. Wii hype is an infectious bugger, and the epidemic is still widespread. I wonder though, how much further will it spread, and how much longer will it be before people have recovered from its symptoms? Also, how much longer can we stretch out this virus simile?








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linuxguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:11
linuxguy
sony and microsoft fanboys rejoyce everywhere!
Gen Eric Gui's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:12
Gen Eric Gui
Pretty much every Nintendo First-party title says he's wrong.

My copy of Baroque and Okami say he's wrong too.
bloodylip's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:14
bloodylip
I can agree with that, but only because my friends don't come over very frequently. But when they do come down, it's the console of choice.
jdub28's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:15
jdub28
I wonder what Nintendo did to epic to make them so butthurt. I understand what he is saying though. The same "virus" affect went around my school when the original Xbox came out. Besides Halo it sat there gathering dust since the controls for third party games were much better with the dualshock.

The Wii is more of the Robin to my 360's Batman but it has been well worth the money and I cant say Im disappointed
Kryptinite's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:16
Kryptinite
It's funny, because it's true.

My Wii is my girlfriend console. She loves it and that makes it worth the purchase. Now she can't say shit when I stay up all night playing Lost Odyssey because she does the same with Guitar Hero 3.
ScottyG's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:18
ScottyG
*Phht*, big deal. Nobody turns me on, but you don't hear me whining to the internet about it...
JustLikeBuck's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:21
JustLikeBuck
I don't own a 360 or PS3, but my Wii was suffering after the first 3-4 months. But only because I decided to get a PS2 and plunder all the cheap great games.

The whole point of own other consoles is to take turns, and whilst the large ratio of childish casual titles on the Wii is off-putting, there's still a large selection of titles; the better of which according to editorials, are much more enjoyable than the better High Def games.

Also the Wii is the only machine where I'd play an older game from time to time - especially with friends.
ParadoxSeven's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:21
ParadoxSeven
This is very true. Both I and 2 other friends bought the Wii on launch day. It gets very little play at my place nowadays. Just the other day I was talking with my friends and we all commented on how little we even turn the thing on. Sure it was great fun when it came out, but that died down, now it gets turned on once in a while when a new title comes out. Smash Brawl, also picked up House of the dead 2&3 with 2 nyko perfect shots. Its great, but i'm sure interest will die down again. Soon Mario Kart will be out, and i'll play that for a while, but Soon after, even that will die down, and the wii will just sit there with its amber light glow.
ShawnKelfonne's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:27
ShawnKelfonne
I play all my consoles about equally. Right now I've been using my PS3 to play Mana Khemia, but as soon as that's finished I've got Okami to play through on my Wii. Not to mention every Friday night is Smash Bros. night with friends, so my Wii certainly sees some regular use.
BlindsideDork's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:29
BlindsideDork
Funny...I haven't turned on my Epic game (Gears) in over 2 months.
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:34
EternalDeathSlayer
I haven't turned on my Wii in about 3 weeks. I'm done with Smash for now. Shit just doesn't have the staying power for me. Hopefully MK Wii will.

I do of course play UT3 and Gears on a semi-regular basis these days.

Just sayin....
Mabec's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:37
Mabec
His name is: Mike CAPS


awesome...
JACK of No Trades's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:37
JACK of No Trades
Sold the Wii. And also to Epic: Make UT3 online more like Cod4.
Boolean's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:43
Boolean
He's just in a bad mood because UT3 is horrible.
MaxVest's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:54
MaxVest
If you're a developer, and you made the business decision not to develop for the Wii, some people are probably going to have some tough questions for you. As in, "Why do you not develop for the fastest-selling games console of all time? Do you hate money?"

*Note: My Wii was extremely dusty so I borrowed Zack and Wiki to help scare the dust mites away.
Cyberxion's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:55
Cyberxion
I was with you Jim, until you implied that Mario Kart and Smash Bros. are the only currently viable games for the platform. Not that it matters though. To each their own. ;)
none's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:55
none
I've been using my Wii pretty steadlily since release day. I don't play every day, so some games get drawn out a bit, and I'm catching up on some ports I never played the first time around, but overall there's been a steady enough stream of games for me. Ezcite Truck, Zelda, Paper Mario, RE4wii, SSX Blur, Metroid, Zack & Wiki, Tomb Raider, No More Heroes, Smash Bros, Okami... And that doesn't count retro games and all the time my friends come over for sports. There is a lot of crap games too, but I don't think people can really complain about not getting use out of their Wii anymore.

...But you can still complain about online games.
brad drac's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:55
brad drac
I'm sorry, when I thought mario galaxy, zack & wiki and no more heroes were released, I must have just been smoking a shitload of crack without even realising it. How silly of me.
nilcam's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:57
nilcam
I play my Wii almost daily. Sometimes for "modern" games, like Baroque, Okami, Guilty Gear, Williams Pinball and Geometry Wars; other times for the Virtual Console, DoReMi is pure 16-bit crack. It's all in what a player wants. If I was into the whole beefed up jock space marine thing attached to a generic FPS/3rd person shooter, I'd love Epic, but I'm not and I don't.

Since it's released today, I feel the need to point out that River City Ransom >>>>> Epic.
MrJunko's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:57
MrJunko
There has been one problem that has always plagued Nintendo.

CONSISTENCY

When they make a great game, its fucking phenomenal, no question about it, they rock..but after they make ONE great game, its like they sit back and take a 3 month breather. Living off that handheld fortune theyve accumulated.
TrailerParkJesus's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 08:58
TrailerParkJesus
That's a pretty good metaphor.
bloodylip's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:04
bloodylip
@MaxVest

I hate you for not buying Z&W ;)
PockyBum522's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:04
PockyBum522
My Wii gets turned on at least twice a week (Har) and it's just between okami and smash brothers. Once I unlock everything in smash, I'll probably still enjoy online mode, depending on how laggy it is.
Demtor's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:06
Demtor
I too have a few friends that were afflicted with the Wii disease. Bought it, tried out a few games for a week or two and called it good. But I don't think its because the Wii is a terrible system. It really isn't. From what I see, there aren't that many huge games worth buying for it yet. The whole library of Wii games has the word "rental" written all over it. Which isn't bad per say, just different when you look at the time people pour in to games on the PS3 and XBox360. Different styles, different tastes.
mandlebaum123's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:10
mandlebaum123
There are outstanding games on the wii. Games that many people that bought the system just for Wiisports wouldn't touch. One of those is Smash Bros, and we all know how well thats selling.

This guy is an ass.
dprime's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:21
dprime
I play my Wii all the fucking time. This is because I know that it is my preference to play gimmicky games, downloaded old games, and games from classic Nintendo series. I wouldn't have bought the system if I didn't enjoy those types of games.

Complaints like this that fall along the lines of "People are too impressionable to live in a capitalist society where they have to make choices on which products to buy!" piss me off. The Wii has a lot of great games for the style of games that it has. If you don't like that style, don't fucking buy it.

These are like the people who sue McDonald's because their food made them fat. It's not Nintendo's job to make its system apply to every conceivable preference anyone has. If you want a hardcore RPG or elaborate online FPS, go buy a 360 or a PS3! This is why we have a market with competing companies!
StriderS's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:21
StriderS
Heh, it's like he's trying to join the "Down with Wii!" party, but it ended like, months ago.
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:22
-PL-
I think he's pretty accurate on why the Wii is so popular, though. People are fascinated by it when they first see and use it, because it's never really been done before. They buy it because they had fun playing Wii sports, and then realize that most of the games are basically the same concept: waggle to do things.

A lot (A LOT) of people disagree with me when I say this, but... I think the Wii is ultimately going to cause more harm than good in gaming. Nintendo is being rewarded for promoting simplicity in a field that has been moving in the opposite direction (becoming more complex) since the beginning. The Wii's online system is absolutely terrible, Virtual Console has been exceptionally terrible lately. The control scheme (wiimote, or wiimote+nunchuck) is actually extremely flawed when attempting to play certain games that require you to control some type of camera and require more than three action buttons. Take Bully, for example. It's a fun game, but the motion controls for fighting can be extremely inaccurate and unresponsive sometimes. Using the wiimote D-pad to control the camera when you're using the wiimote/nunchuck is just terrible. Worst thing of all, in my opinion, is that Nintendo is being commended for what they're doing. They're being rewarded by the public, and that's why I think the Wii is bad for gaming. More people are going to try and imitate what Nintendo is doing, and it's going to take gaming in a direction that I don't particularly agree with.
Scientist tz's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:24
Scientist tz
I haven't turned mine on for many months but I'm getting MK this week.

Mario Galaxy and Okami are queued up on gamefly.

The Wii is going to be my pinch hitter during GTA IV's reign as my "main" game. When I get burned out on it (and I will) I'll switch to the Wii for a week or so.

I have no doubt that the Wii will get a game someday that justifies my ownership of it (like the gamecube did with RE4.)
dprime's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:26
dprime
PL, why does gaming have to become more elaborate OR more complex? The market doesn't have to contain exclusively waggle "Carnival Games" games that middle aged socialites show off at cocktail parties, OR exclusively Spore and Bioshock. "Gaming" is a broad kind of activity, not a particular organization or trend. What's happening is that the industry is expanding so we're getting a broader variety of games. More options, etc. It's not as though the success of the Wii is going to make more elaborate games disappear.
moocow21's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:26
moocow21
This is why I haven't bought (nor intend to buy) a Wii. I have the foresight to realize that beyond Super Mario Galaxy, there's nothing really there that I could see myself playing in the foreseeable future.
B-Radicate's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:27
B-Radicate
I've had my Wii since August. I've played four games on it total (Scarface, Mario Galaxy, Metroid Prime 3, and Brawl). Of those four titles I've finished zero of them.

I also own Zelda: TP and Battalion Wars 2. Both are still in their shrink wrap.

I bought and played through Okami and RE4 way back on PS2... so yeah. There go two other possible titles I'd otherwise have for Wii.

The games just don't interest me as much as the games I play on my 360. That's a personal preference, but it's true.
ajay42's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:27
ajay42
Smash and Kart are all there is? Oh fuck it, its not even worth arguing. Particularly since I'd rather play a ROM of Lords of Thunder or SMB3 than UT3 or Gears. And I'd certainly rather play Galaxy, No More Heroes, MP3 than those games either. There are PLENTY of Xbox exclusives that I enjoyed (Mass Effect comes quickly to mind) and want to enjoy (Lost Odyssey comes quickly to mind) but that doesn't take away from the fact that there has recently been in fact a string of interesting Wii titles. Maybe its because I can't play games for many hours a day like some but I have a BACKLOG of Wii games (and PC games and 360 games) that I have to get through. Nothing but Kart and Smash indeed...
mandlebaum123's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:29
mandlebaum123
PL,

There are games that have simplistic controls on wii, and then there are games that are more complex. Take PES 2008, for example. Much more complex controls, and it is outstanding and innovative. You're nuts in thinking this paradigm shift is a bad thing.
zombiekiller13's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:35
zombiekiller13
Meh, I bought a Wii because there were more games out or coming out for it that I wanted over the PS3 and 360. I will admit that a lot of parents went out and bought the console for their kids so they'd shut up about them, but that happens with any console. Remember the PS2 shortages? DS Lite shortages? 360 shortages?

I'd say PS3 shortages...but then I remember that guy from Sony saying he'd pay anyone who found one sitting for more than 10 minutes, and soon after Penny Arcade found several.

And yes, right now my Wii isn't getting that much attention (heh heh). But only because Persona 3 FES comes out this week and I'm madly trying to finish up the first version. I'll go back to the Wii shortly.
zardoz's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:37
zardoz
These Wii haters were tiresome from day one, but now they are just annoying. There is simply no substance to their argument, which is ironic since this is what they are accusing the Wii of lacking.
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:40
DeusPayne
I bought the GC just for Smash Bros. I'd say I did the same here, and everything else has just been gravy. Mario Galaxy, Paper Mario, Zelda: TP, No More Heroes, Zach and Wiki, Metroid Prime 3... But still, Smash Bros will probably get more time than every other game combined over the course of the console. SMASH!
hardwareguy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:40
hardwareguy
I think PL's right. I don't believe that all games have to be complex, but when game manufacturers see the success of the wii and all the "Carnival Games" type games on it then they make less of the games that I want to play. The game publishers are in it for the money and I'm pretty sure it cost more to develop Bioshock than Carnival Games. I don't really care if my 60 year old aunt and her peer group can suddenly play a "video game system" if that system has poisoned the industry against gamers like me.

If the next next generation consoles follow Nintendo down this path I guess I'll just have to retreat further into PC gaming.
ShinAmano's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:48
ShinAmano
Wow...hit it on the head there...my wii has not been turned on this year...

Mario Kart will change this, but not till after I get my fill of GTA4...
NegFactor's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:51
NegFactor
SSBB and MKWii are not enough to justify the Wii. However, both of them in conjunction with a new F-Zero would be. :P
mandlebaum123's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:52
mandlebaum123
@hardware guy:

Games sales are independent of one another. More Carnival Games sales doesn't mean less No more heroes being made. Less No More Heroes sales means less No More Heroes being made.
Dahk's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:53
Dahk
Yeah I barely do anything on my Wii except for Super Smash Bros. I'm not so sure I'd be too fond of Mario Kart Wii either, so ehhh majority of my time will still go to MGO and GT5P these coming months =).
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:53
Excel-2011
When will these big developers get that the Wii wasn't, isn't and never will be intended to be on the same level (graphically at the very least) as the "real" consoles?
Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:54
Cowzilla3
Really Jim SSBB and Mario Kar Wii are the only good games on the console? I expect more from you than gross generalizations like that.My Wii gets turned on pretty often, most recently with Okami and Brawl.
Chocobo Knight's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:56
Chocobo Knight
Once Chocobo's Dungeon comes out for the Wii, my dusty Wii will have a reason to be turned on again for extensive periods of time.
Josh Tolentino's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 09:57
Josh Tolentino
I have a Wii myself, bought at the usual ridiculous Wii-shortage gouge prices with some old money I had written off as gone. I have Brawl, Twilight Princes, UR MR GAY, No More Heroes, and that Fire Emblem game. And yet the only thing I've actually put into the system is Wii Play (and Wii Sports).

Why? For Brawl (and eventually Mario Kart Wii), the friend code system is such crap. I don't have friends from which to get a code (online OR offline how pathetic is that), and when I do finally find the courage to just enter a code from one of the random lists floating about, I'll be unable to actually MAKE them my friend because of the lack of in-game communication.

The Wii would be a wonderful device with which to get people together, but only if you know such people. I frankly get more togetherness out of voice chat on a TF2 or Warhawk public server than I've ever done on the Wii.
Face's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 10:00
Face
Bit of a generalisation on his part, not to mention a tad unprofessional. Everyone has different tastes, I stopped playing gears about 2 months after I got it, and the new UT bored me from what little I played it. It's not surprising they are taking this stance, they do like to push things from a technical standpoint, not always from the creative side and a game made with that mindset might not turn out so well on the Wii.
mandlebaum123's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 10:03
mandlebaum123
@unangbangkay,

Just play against anyone, then. Friend codes suck, but if you have no friends, you dont have anything to worry about.

Having played Brawl both online and with friends in the same room, it's still true: Same room multiplayer is tons more fun.
njsykora's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 10:03
njsykora
I go for bursts of Wii Sports occasionally, do my thing on the Virtual Console, put in at least an hour of Mario Kart every day which is still gaming crack after nearly 2 weeks of having it, still play Mario Galaxy just for the hell of it and between all that lot my Wii gets a ton of use. My 360 however is covered in a thin layer of dust, I haven't turned it on in a good few weeks.

All that and that's before I get to my Gamecube stuff, which still gets lots of play time through the Wii and I haven't even got Brawl, No More Heroes, Zack and Wiki, Okami or Super Paper Mario yet. Then you add in the launch of Wiiware pretty soon and its hard to see where the Wii hate comes from now the machine's finding its feet and developers are learning how to use it properly.

Oh, and Wii Fit on Friday. That's going to keep it in use.
rdaneel72's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/21/2008 10:06
rdaneel72
Poisoned the industry against real gamers? What a joke.

When did gaming become this elitist club that only those who beat Ninja Gaiden on hard are qualified to participate in? Wii brought videogames to people who cannot figure out, or don't want to bother figuring out, a complicated dual-analog controller. Motion controls are simply a means to an end; to simplify controls for people besides the traditional 18-35 male demographic represented on websites like this.

Wii caters to a segment of the market that has gone largely ignored. That segment is EVERYONE ELSE ON THE PLANET. No one is going to take away your Halo or Gears of War or Metal Gear Solid 4 or Grand Theft Auto 4. Why does it anger you so much that non-traditional gamers are buying Wii and having fun? For however long they play it. For however many games they buy.
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