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I gotta say, I'm kinda digging all this anti-Bondi business because now when I explain why I didn't bother playing LA Noire I can claim it's in support of the developers they treated so harshly rather than truthfully pointing out that I didn't feel like it. I sound like a principled activist that way, rather than a lazy bastard.
Who's your editor anyway? That's the most ridiculously misleading headline."F*cking cheap courtesy" does not sound like "I think credit is really important, and it's really f***ing cheap..."
Another attention-grabbing headline from Dtoid's finest, I see. I had to read the post twice to make sure you're not just retarded.
Another attention-grabbing headline from Dtoid's finest, I see. I had to read the post twice to make sure you're not just retarded.
"Another attention-grabbing headline from Dtoid's finest, I see. I had to read the post twice to make sure you're not just retarded."
Douche.
Douche.
Stavros... either way, the man said it's fucking cheap. It doesn't have to be in his exact words to mean the same thing. Fucking cheap is fucking cheap, and apparently, giving credit to developers is fucking cheap. Giving credit to developers for their hard work is also considered a courtesy, and in this case it seems to be a fucking cheap one. FUCKING CHEAP!!!!
Destructoid has very strict headline limits. While there are apparent design reasons for this, it restricts what we want to convey in our headlines and sometimes we need to cut it down. Sometimes we have an idea for a headline that we can't make fit, and have to heavily edit the sentence to get it to work.
In this case, I had an idea for a clear headline, and quite arrogantly decided to try and make it work even though multiple re-writes couldn't get crammed in there. I thought I'd managed to get it working, but obviously not. Clearly it's not worth putting my idea in if it's misleading and angering people unintentionally.
Sorry if you got pissed off. Except Stavros. He deserved it.
In this case, I had an idea for a clear headline, and quite arrogantly decided to try and make it work even though multiple re-writes couldn't get crammed in there. I thought I'd managed to get it working, but obviously not. Clearly it's not worth putting my idea in if it's misleading and angering people unintentionally.
Sorry if you got pissed off. Except Stavros. He deserved it.
@SKSith
News is news and should be treated as such.
@TheNephilym
Apparently people at Dtoid disagree, the headline's already been changed.
News is news and should be treated as such.
@TheNephilym
Apparently people at Dtoid disagree, the headline's already been changed.
Ignoring the anti-jim brigade (they're like the Yellow gang from Durarara!!) I must say that Epic are jive turkies.
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What, a headline that can be interpreted in a different way than was intended? Surely this is another case of Destructoid shamelessly misleading its readers and whoring for attention (...somehow)
Also RRRRRRRRAAAAAGGGGGEEEE
Also RRRRRRRRAAAAAGGGGGEEEE
I really don't get all the crap over credits... frankly on bigger games if they list everyone it could go to thousands of names if you include everybody who worked on the thing for even a week.
From an HR perspective, most companies with corporate reward programs (based on achieving set branch or individual objectives) are usually only given if the employee doesn't voluntarily quit during the time period of the progam (usually the financial quarter). These people have resumes... and by law the employer has to confirm employment, so I don't see that it impacts on future opportunities in any way. If it's a status thing of "seeing your name in lights" at the end of the game in a credit roll... well, hell, what gamer is going to sit through a listing of a couple of hundred names?
This whole issues seems to be making a bit of a mountain out of a mole hill.
From an HR perspective, most companies with corporate reward programs (based on achieving set branch or individual objectives) are usually only given if the employee doesn't voluntarily quit during the time period of the progam (usually the financial quarter). These people have resumes... and by law the employer has to confirm employment, so I don't see that it impacts on future opportunities in any way. If it's a status thing of "seeing your name in lights" at the end of the game in a credit roll... well, hell, what gamer is going to sit through a listing of a couple of hundred names?
This whole issues seems to be making a bit of a mountain out of a mole hill.
Fuck the headline. That header image made me hungry for some turkey dinner in the afternoon! Damn you Jim!!!
@Stravos "News is news and should be treated as such."
Oh sorry, I didn't realise Vg news should be treated the same as news about war and disasters.
@Jim get your shit togeather man these headlines are SERIOUS BUISNESS!
Oh sorry, I didn't realise Vg news should be treated the same as news about war and disasters.
@Jim get your shit togeather man these headlines are SERIOUS BUISNESS!
I'm going to be angry about the headline and not actually contribute to the topic at hand RAGE!!!!
Penises.
I think that if you can give credit where credit is due, why the hell not? Apparently it's cheap. How cheap? Really fucking, that's how.
Elsa does make a good point though. Anyone who sticks it out to finish the project or see the majority of it completed deserves some sort of recognition.
Penises.
I think that if you can give credit where credit is due, why the hell not? Apparently it's cheap. How cheap? Really fucking, that's how.
Elsa does make a good point though. Anyone who sticks it out to finish the project or see the majority of it completed deserves some sort of recognition.
@ stavros- Have you ever had a real problem in your life or just video game news related things? Who gives a fuck?
I'm going to be angry about the headline and not actually contribute to the topic at hand RAGE!!!!
Penises.
I think that if you can give credit where credit is due, why the hell not? Apparently it's cheap. How cheap? Really fucking, that's how.
Elsa does make a good point though. Anyone who sticks it out to finish the project or see the majority of it completed deserves some sort of recognition.
Penises.
I think that if you can give credit where credit is due, why the hell not? Apparently it's cheap. How cheap? Really fucking, that's how.
Elsa does make a good point though. Anyone who sticks it out to finish the project or see the majority of it completed deserves some sort of recognition.
@Elsa
A lot of companies in the industry will insist that potential job candidates have their names in the credits of published titles. If nothing else, it's a way to show you worked on a game that can't be called into dispute later on because of workplace politics.
Failing that, I'd say it's in the same spirit as movies giving credit to the caterer.
A lot of companies in the industry will insist that potential job candidates have their names in the credits of published titles. If nothing else, it's a way to show you worked on a game that can't be called into dispute later on because of workplace politics.
Failing that, I'd say it's in the same spirit as movies giving credit to the caterer.
@Elsa
we all know that most people don't sit through the credits but if i put in a shit load of hours then my friggin name better be in the right catagory. i don't get my time back after i use it so i at least want to see my name up. life has many twists and if i worked 3yrs but cant stay the last month for X reason then my name still deserves to be up in the proper section because my efforts were in total not small but helped contribute to its functionality.
we all know that most people don't sit through the credits but if i put in a shit load of hours then my friggin name better be in the right catagory. i don't get my time back after i use it so i at least want to see my name up. life has many twists and if i worked 3yrs but cant stay the last month for X reason then my name still deserves to be up in the proper section because my efforts were in total not small but helped contribute to its functionality.
I personally can't see how this headline in particular would have been anymore "attention grabbing" than the one that they changed it to. Stavros is just angry that Jim is popular and is reaching for anything he can grab hold of.
At least complain when the headline is actually questionable. This is just nitpicking. Don't be angry that more people know who Jim Sterling is than they do you.
At least complain when the headline is actually questionable. This is just nitpicking. Don't be angry that more people know who Jim Sterling is than they do you.
Sometimes we miss the woods for the trees. Then we set the trees on fire and complain about all the smoke.
@qlum because valve can release a game about growing hair on a turd and it'll sell
@everyoneelse i may not agree with stavros but dont tell him to calm down or that all he lives for is games news, the whole point of a gaming community is to voice opinions about gaming related stuff. If he doesn't have a life for caring bout this shit, then u have less than a life for taking the time to tell him that he shouldn't care
For the record though, the headlines pretty clear, especially if u know the bondi saga.
And ya, any one that contributes intellectual cApital in a creative field desrves credit. Its pretty basic
@everyoneelse i may not agree with stavros but dont tell him to calm down or that all he lives for is games news, the whole point of a gaming community is to voice opinions about gaming related stuff. If he doesn't have a life for caring bout this shit, then u have less than a life for taking the time to tell him that he shouldn't care
For the record though, the headlines pretty clear, especially if u know the bondi saga.
And ya, any one that contributes intellectual cApital in a creative field desrves credit. Its pretty basic
@ Elsa
Don't really get your opinion. If they worked in the main company and for a long period of time and been worked to death in that time (so not just 10 hours... in 3 years 7 week 24h job..)
But oh well, of course everything is defendable, even the biggest asshole in the world. It's sad to see gamer siding with some CEO who probably never played a game instead of the poor developer who actually worked for the game...
Don't really get your opinion. If they worked in the main company and for a long period of time and been worked to death in that time (so not just 10 hours... in 3 years 7 week 24h job..)
But oh well, of course everything is defendable, even the biggest asshole in the world. It's sad to see gamer siding with some CEO who probably never played a game instead of the poor developer who actually worked for the game...
Well said, Mike Capps.
@Elsa
At the end of the day, if somebody does a job they deserve credit for it, no matter how small a role they played in the work. That's why films have credits, that's why games have credits - to give credit to the people who worked hard to make a project happen. Imagine if Paul McCartney had left John, Ringo and George uncredited on The Beatles albums - there would've been a shitfit.
@Elsa
At the end of the day, if somebody does a job they deserve credit for it, no matter how small a role they played in the work. That's why films have credits, that's why games have credits - to give credit to the people who worked hard to make a project happen. Imagine if Paul McCartney had left John, Ringo and George uncredited on The Beatles albums - there would've been a shitfit.
I worked on Nier, took screenshots for the manual, proofread the manual, took video capture for classification purposes etc.
Didn't get in the credits.
Feels bad man.
Didn't get in the credits.
Feels bad man.
Frankly, they probably should be expected to be overworked. Being overworked at certain times with certain companies in certain industries happens all the time. I guarantee you that a CPA during tax season wouldn't have any sympathy for a game developer working a lot of hours.
With that said, it is 100% wrong to not include them in the credits. He deserves to be kicked in the balls for that one.
With that said, it is 100% wrong to not include them in the credits. He deserves to be kicked in the balls for that one.
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