It's been roughly three seconds since there was an "M-rated Wii game" debate on the Internet, so we better get this written quick and plug the gap! Epic's Mark Rein has been chatting to IndustryGamers, where he reaffirmed Epic's policy on ignoring the Wii, going so far as to accuse adult-oriented games of being "huge financial flops" on Nintendo's white box o' waggle.
"We don't make games for that platform because we don't see a market for the kinds of games we make -- let's be honest," claims Rein. "[M-rated games have] been huge financial flops ... It's just not where the market is. Look at EA. Do you see the same Madden game on Wii? Of course not -- it's a dumbed down game."
Rein believes that "it's not worthwhile" to use Unreal technology on the Wii, but did concede that if Nintendo released a Wii 2 or Wii HD with "a couple more processors and a little more memory and better graphics," that Epic would be on the case. Those cheeky graphics whores.
What do you think? Would it be worth Epic's time to power Wii games with its technology, or do you agree with Mark that it'd be a waste of time for all concerned? To help you, I have provided a list of appropriate responses to this story, which you may feel free to copy & paste as replies. It'll save time for all of us.
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- Meh, Gears of War was buggy as shit anyway. Who needs that crap on the Wii?
- When will idiots learn that "mature" games aren't all about shooting and tits? GOD, people, grow up.
- BUT HOUSE OF THE DEAD DID QUITE WELL FOR SUCH AN OBSCURE GAME!
- Nintendo makes more money than this guy does.
- Obligatory No More Heroes mention.
- Mark's right. Wii is a waggle system for dumbed-down retards.
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6:40 PM on 07.23.2009
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also No More Heroes better then Gears of Wars anyday.
The Wii is available to so many people that would probably enjoy an Epic shooter. Wouldn't it be worthwhile to, as he puts it, to make a graphically or otherwise dumbed down Epic shooter to build their brand, so long as they can program the same caliber of actual gameplay?
Sure, maybe he doesn't need to get kids interested into what he's selling at an early age, or the mom that doesn't know she likes stop-and-pop (and don't kid yourself, they're out there), but it seems a little limitting to just buy into the perceived doom associated with the Wii's user make up
I'm going with:
Nintendo makes more money than this guy does.
Mark's right. Wii is a waggle system for dumbed-down retards.
The DS is just as devoid of mature games yet it seems to get away with it (well apart from when GTA was released)
I think it's mainly theres a distinct lack of really original good games on the wii rather than mature ones.
War was shit. Who crap on the Wii?
When will "mature" games shoot up.
BUT HOUSE DID WELL!
Nintendo makes this guy.
Obligatory No.
Mark's is a system for dumbed retards.
Anyway, it's no surprise that Mature rated games don't do too well. The Wii's main audience is the casuals, it's sold as a family console. Not many families into casual gaming are going to be getting Mature rated games to play, no matter how good or bad they may be.
/I think that about covered it.
It is a matter of bias insteaad of real limitation, if they wanted to, any game is possible on Wii.
Mark Rein is an ass and also a fanboy, glorified by the fact that he is inside the industry, he is no better than the average Wii hater.
We could use more power on the Wii though, or better, a full usage of the power we already have, if Epic really wated to make GoW Wii, Unreal engine 2 would suffice as it powered red steel.
This kind of comment cements more of the M rated X Wii situation way more than sales.
Epic doesn't make most of its money off its games (Gears of War and Unreal Tournament in particular). Epic's main business is selling its high powered Unreal System. The Wii can't handle Unreal and doesn't need it. It's selling insanely high without super high graphics and power (thus no need for Unreal) and that scares the **** out of him. If the Wii keeps selling at it's rate (Wii Sports Resort is just around the corner) and the HD Twins continue their downward spiral, then that means his business is out of luck.
They could refocus and base their business around their games rather than around Unreal, but their big two games don't have massive appeal to the Wii's general audience and they are both heavily focused on Online play (something the Wii isn't focused on). Considering his company's general feelings toward the Wii, I doubt they'd handle the change easily (especially Dude Huge a.k.a. Cliff Blezsinski).
Mark Rein doesn't hate the Wii, or its games, or its audience, or its message. He fears it.
P.S. Dude Huge is a nickname for CB from actionbutton.net
I have to give credit where credit is due.
1. Meh, Gears of War was buggy as shit anyway. Who needs that crap on the Wii?
2. When will idiots learn that "mature" games aren't all about shooting and tits? GOD, people, grow up.
3. Nintendo makes more money than this guy does. X20
Just keep talking about how you can't make money.
But that's not made by Epic, so it doesn't count.
If you're not going to build from the ground up, you might as well not even try.
Also, Capcom seems to be doing alright with Umbrella Chronicles which sold over a million and the Darkside Chronicles looks even better.
Nothing against you, but I love it when someone defends the Wii with the statement "There ARE some good games on the system. It's just that there are millions of crappy games surrounding them" without mentioning that that statement applies to NEARLY EVERY VIDEO GAME SYSTEM EVER MADE!
On another point, I also love how gamers assume the games they like are good games and that the general public is stupid for not realizing it. Most of the high-rated games of the past few generations are nowhere near as good as people want to believe. I've replayed Super Mario Bros. 3 a bunch of times and never bothered to beat Half-Life 2.
It's like when people say that XBox 360s are piece of sh*t systems that spend more time getting repaired than being played, or that Sony has their head so far up their own asses this generation that it's not even worth considering a PS3 unless you care more about Blu-ray than you do about gaming... there's a kernel of truth in those statements too, but you have to cut through a LOT of fanboy BS to get there.
Are you serious? WTF?
You're buying into a stigma. You're assuming that M-Rated "HardCore" games are good and that "kiddie" games are not as good. The truth is that "HardCore" games usually suck and that's why they don't sell well.
Madworld sold like **** because it is ****, at least compared to the much better RE4/REUC/COD series. I (and most gamers) don't care if a game is big or small, but whether it is fun to play. Madworld is a small game that sucks, while RE4 is a big game that is good. Bionic Commando is a big game that sucks, while Braid is a small game that is good. The important thing isn't whether the game is big or small, but whether it is good. And that's the bottom line.
Mayonnaise titties.
"without mentioning that that statement applies to NEARLY EVERY VIDEO GAME SYSTEM EVER MADE!" Exactly. So why continually put down the Wii?
The man clearly understands that Nintendo doesn't go with his western bullshit and like FistfulOfAWesome said that Nintendo probably pushed a generation back with the Wii, making unlikely any probable Unreal Engine 4 sale from the developers.
To be fair most of Jim's article are garbage, it takes a lot of effort to read them. I wonder why he posts so many news, where the hell is everyone?
And well the numbers support Rein, they are flops, mostly because they aren't that interesting.
You can't just say a game sucks because it doesn't sell well on the Wii. Fact is, Fistful, is that Madworld did decently enough on Metracritic. You may have not had the taste for it, but a lot of other critics did. And it didn't perform well financially.
I think Gears of War fans would've eaten it up on the 360 and PS3, but, as a lot of people have been saying, the Nintendo Wii has a small hardcore base.
Btw, picked up Little King's Story and I think its pretty awesome :P
I'd like to note that Call of Duty isn't an M-rated game, so its sales should be ignored. Resident Evil is a better example, but it sold at a budget price and it's an already well-established series. If you sold RE4 at that same price with upgraded graphics, it would have done much better on the PS3/360.
I know, right! What I meant was that the Wii doesn't need protecting from you, me, or anyone else. We don't need to mention that there are good games for it since the sales speak for themselves. We don't need to mention that there are bad games on it (an large amount I add) since that applies to any video game system. Sturgeon's Law applies for the Wii just as much as it applies to the Xbox 360, the PS3, and every other game console ever made. The best thing to do, as the mantra of this website states, is to STFUAJPG.
@Waquan
I didn't say Madworld sucked because it didn't sell well on the Wii. I said it didn't sell well on because it sucks.
As for decent review scores, when have review scores ever affected game sales? It's the market (i.e. the people that buy games (and in Nintendo's plan the people that don't) that decides whether a game is good and how much it will sell, not the reviewers. Reviewers loved Mirror's Edge, but the public didn't (which is why it sold badly).
Madworld would have sold just as badly on the Xbox/PS. I don't know why you assume that the "Hardcore" would have eaten it up. Because it's similar to "Hardcore" favorite Gears of War? In what way? That it's a violent game where a buff man with a chainsaw kills things in gruesome ways and also John DiMaggio voicing somewhere? Aside from some visual similarities the games are nothing alike. People didn't buy Gears of War because it's a "Dark" and "Gritty" game. They bought it because they like the gameplay. Madworld and Gears do not overlap aside from a few visual similarities.
What's with this thought that there are more "Hardcore" gamers on the HD Twins than the Wii. "Hardcore" are more outnumbered on the Wii by "Casuals" than compared to the HD Twins, but that doesn't mean there are less. If you have a slice of cake and I have a slice of cake with Ice Cream on top, does that mean you have more cake than me, since your dessert is 100% cake and mine is 50% cake?
Madworld sold badly not because it is "Hardcore", but because it is bad. "Hardcore" games sell to casuals all the time (Grand Theft auto had a large fanbase of young children (blah blah blah ****** parents, but it's true).
@mrsatan
Yeah, older people buy the Wii for their kids. That's why I've never seen Soccer Moms or Geriatrics playing the system. They're too busy pawning noobs on GRRS 2!!! to play the kiddy Wii.
Eh, not really I Call of Duty fan myself. I just remember seeing a few of those T-rated CoDs. I stand corrected on that matter.
Anyway, I disagree about RE4 being the best on the Wii. I personally thought it was better on the PC, since I could modify the controls to my liking with a 360 USB controller.
I also didn't 'forget' that RE4 came out on all of those systems. In fact, the very reason I said, "it's already well-established' was for that very reason. And that's one of the reasons it sold so well: it's well-established and it was budget price.
Anyway moving along.
Agreed on GRRS not selling that well for the Wii if it was on it. It wouldn't that well since it isn't that fun and it wouldn't have its "amazing" graphics to hide behind.
Disagreed on Marvelous though. NMH isn't that good of a game. It actually kind of sucks. The reason most like it (including me) is for it's absurd sense of humor and great parody. Truth be told, someone could probably save themself 30$ by just watching the cut-scenes on YouTube.
"We don't need to mention that there are bad games on it <b>(an large amount I add)</b> since that applies to any video game system."
Why did you say this exactly? You spent two paragraphs on how every system has plenty of garbage and then say the exact thing you spent those two paragraphs decrying.
Actually, the reason I brought up the critics on this matter was because that just because YOU think a game sucks, doesn't mean EVERYONE ELSE DOES! You kinda remind me of Anthony on this matter, as if you have the ultimate decision in whether or not a game sucks, but taste is merely a matter of opinion and people differ on that issue. Deal with it.
Do you really think sales determine the quality of a game? I know plenty of people who're into anime shows and will buy the games 'just because', and later regret it. What about movie-based games? Same deal.
A critic's score does correlate with sales, you can't just bring up one or two examples and think you're done, 'cause there just as many examples, if not more, that will prove you're wrong. I admit a statistical study would need to be done, but I don't think it would favor your opinion on this matter.
Mostly to tie into my referencing Sturgeon's Law, which is that "90% of everything is crap".
And how does any of that translate into selling better on the PS3/360 than on the Wii? To actually upgrade the graphics for the other systems would require redoing them completely for a small change in graphics. Improving the controls is simple enough that they could release it as a cheap title as opposed to what it would have to cost to cover rebuilding the graphics for another system.
And it's not just my opinion that the Wii version is overall the best. The consensus of reviewers and players is that out of all the iterations it provides the best combination of extras (formerly PS2), graphics (formerly GameCube), and controls (formerly debatable or possibly PC).