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Epic: FOX controversy good for Bulletstorm, bad for games photo

Now that Bulletstorm is on store shelves and spreading dicktits around the world, Epic's Mike Capps has addressed the notorious FOX News report in which psychologist Carole Lieberman accused the game, among others, of encouraging rape. Capps said there were two ways of looking at it -- one good, one bad.

"The first is what it does for Bulletstorm and the second is what it does for the industry," he explains. "For what it did for Bulletstorm ... yes, there were people who were very excited about any attention at all. For a game that's over-the-top, they probably helped sell more units than they convinced people to pick at us. What was most exciting about it for me [was the reaction from the media in the industry defending us]. Every journalist said this Fox report is junk ... It's wonderful to see a media that's defending free speech.

"As for what it does for the industry as a whole I think it's terrible. There are people who really respect Fox News' opinions and look at that and are [convinced that video games are bad]."

I have to say I disagree with what Capps said about the report being "terrible" for the industry. As Capps himself notes, Bulletstorm was a huge success, and he's confident the game will be a million seller. FOX is popular, yes, but its influence is finite and temporary. People will read the report, be outraged for a day, and forget it. Only those that care about games really remember, and they're not the ones believing this crap. 

Short of a Catholic-grade pedophilia scandal, I'd say the game industry's on pretty unshakable ground right now. Views like Lieberman's are in their death rattle, as younger, game-savvy people rise up to take her place. The old and the increasingly irrelevant are the ones who insist on hating games, and their time is almost up. While we wait for them to finally shuffle off, I'd just enjoy the free advertising. 

Bulletstorm Maybe Helped By FOX News Controversy [The A List, via GP]








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Everyday Legend's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:04
Everyday Legend
Correction:
Fox News bad for everything, good for nothing.
Jesse7277's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:05
Jesse7277
I'm sure the Gears beta helped sales just a little as well:)
donmilliken's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:06
donmilliken
Yes, absolutely, because of course free advertising is all it amounts to. The people who believe stories like that don't play games, or at least not games like Bulletstorm.
ShotgunDiplom4t's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:08
ShotgunDiplom4t
HAY MAN, I GET ALL MAH NEWZ FROM FAUX NEWZ. YOU AINT AMERICIN IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING BILL ORLY SYS.
P-Dude's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:09
P-Dude
"There are people who really respect Fox News' opinions..."

Oh yeah? Sucks for them.
TXYeti's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:09
TXYeti
"Only those that care about games really remember..."

Perhaps its true that most FOX news viewers won't recall the name of this game or this singular report, but each instance of this adds to the whole "games are bad" tapestry. It all adds up and, unfortunately, FOX news viewers are probably more engaged voters than gamers.

I agree that the ridiculous anti-gaming movement is on the decline, but what I get from Capps' point is that the net effect for a politically-meaningful demographic is negative and therefore bad for the industry.

Seemingly benign issues and court cases (such as some currently ongoing ones regarding sale of games to minors) can have widespread impact and the gaming industry, like all industries, is not immune like you paint it to be.
llort het's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:10
llort het
@the metion that old gamephobic views are almost dead.

There's always soccer moms. Always. If a game isn't wii sports or wii fit, then it's corrupting the children!
CLFresh's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:10
CLFresh
Scare tactics... and the sad thing is that they do work on weak minded fools that don't know any better.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:11
Mr Andy Dixon
I can't wait 'til all the old people die.
Dao2-SKP's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:14
Dao2-SKP
People who respect Fox News are like people who respect IGN, they're idiots.
Dace Falar's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:17
Dace Falar
Fox News is great for the most part, but their views on video games are generally incorrect.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:19
Jim Sterling
TXYeti:

I see your point, but I don't entirely agree with the effects. I feel people who try and stifle social change are trying to catch the tide in a teacup -- it's simply not possible. Games have grown and grown, and I see reports like these are increasingly desperate flailings from those who are attempting to wring the last drips of outrage from an increasingly dry washcloth. I simply think it pays too much tribute to the anti-game set to believe they're capable of any significant damage. Perhaps that's overconfident, but I think the history of entertainment backs me up.

"There's always soccer moms. Always"

This is true, but it is more likely that the next generation of outraged parents will have left games alone and moved onto whatever new form of entertainment emerges next. As a new brand of social heroes rises, a new social villain takes the place of the old. Penny dreadful books, rock music, television, they've all been resisted, and they've all won. I see no reason why an industry that's already become an indomitable powerhouse will break convention here.
triclops41's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:23
triclops41
We just have to wait for these scared old people to shed there mortal coils.

And to those hating on Fox exclusively, you know Mrs. Lieberman is a Democrat, right? Her husband was the VP nominee under Kerry in 04.

It is not about conservatives vs everyone else, it is about scared babyboomers forgetting the lessons they should have learned from seeing how their parents reacted to rock n roll.
salamagogo's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:23
salamagogo
News...that's bias for you..I rarely-and I mean rarely watch tv anymore..the media barrage and massive shitfuck surge of advertising makes me ill..marketing is brainwashing and emotion manipulation all for your $$$...now quit reading,and get out there and spend,you worthless fucking consumers! (Sarcasm,partial anyway)
triclops41's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:25
triclops41
EDIT: *shed their mortal coils
TXYeti's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:27
TXYeti
@Jim Sterling

Agreed, to some extent. There's certainly a bull-headed momentum behind industry growth right now that isn't likely to be upset by factually bankrupt afternoon reports on cable news.

However, I think gamers in countries like Germany and Australia, where game censorship is still much stiffer and much more prevalent wouldn't be nearly so nonchalant about it all. It's still an uphill battle in many places around the world (in regards to all types of censorship, in fact) and unfortunately, "those that care about games [who] really remember" aren't the only ones affecting change. If they were, Aussies wouldn't still be importing "cool" versions of L4D2.
CLFresh's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:30
CLFresh
Jim Sterling... I love you
amtalx's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:32
amtalx
@triclops41:
I don't think anyone is trying to single out Fox News or conservatives. It's simply that this is a case of shit reporting. I take Fox News with the same ton of salt that I would with those cackling broads from The View.
Stigmeyer's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:32
Stigmeyer
Fox News: Good for racist homophobic xenophobic religious conservatives, Bad for EVERYONE ELSE.
Montag 451's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:38
Montag 451
News story today from my old stomping ground

http://www.thisisplymouth.co.uk/news/GAMES-ADDICT-KIDS-FIT-SCHOOL/article-3303193-detail/article.html

I taught in Plymouth for 15 years. I am not sure if I agree with this as most of the kids I knew were shite at gaming, reliant on cheats, so they may have been playing for hours but certainly not playing well!!!!!

I regularly wupped them at Tony Hawks (easiest proper game I could justify as being physicsy (if that is a word)
Sæglópur's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:38
Sæglópur
Fox News is 2 steps away from being as terrible as MSNBC.

I'm a libertarian, so I don't eat right and left winger propaganda.
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:40
manasteel88
I disagree with your disagreement. While this may not hurt in sales, it hurts in perception. For all the games as art arguments out there, stuff like this trickles in to people's minds and convinces them that these darn video games don't benefit people in any way.

It hurts the image and makes it harder still for games to be considered a viable medium. While 17 year olds will buy the game up to rebel against whatever 17 year olds rebel against, 12 year olds who are dependent on the purchasing power of their parents may have their decision power taken away by this negative perception. This hurts console and software sales over the long run.

I think he's right that it just may be a short term victory overall. Negative press in a new medium still isn't that good, even if it boosts sales of a single title.
Black Nexus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:42
Black Nexus
The only cure for someone who respects fox new's opinion is a bullet to the head.
Sherwood513's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:44
Sherwood513
Maybe they should put a new disclaimer in games.

Warning: If you are mentally unstable or a Fox News contributer this game may warp your mind.
ErrolGames's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:51
ErrolGames
Fox news is not the holy Grail of news networks. I prefer the daily show myself. Game on
Gorescream's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 14:56
Gorescream
FUCK FOX.
Salvathras's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 15:05
Salvathras
Has the game been selling that well ? Last time I checked it didn't sell phenomenally well , at least for a title with such controversy (and GoW 3 beta).

@ErrolGames
By any sane standards Fox News doesn't deserve to be called a news network.
Gaidenrider's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 15:17
Gaidenrider
Just bought the PC Port. From all the shitty GFWL ports, this is the only one where the system doesn't actually seem that bad. That said, I've only played Echoes (since the campaign doesn't seem that worthwhile)
averagejoe1's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 15:20
averagejoe1
"Views like Lieberman's are in their death rattle, as younger, game-savvy people rise up to take her place. The old and the increasingly irrelevant are the ones who insist on hating games, and their time is almost up."

I'm under 25 years old, and am completely and utterly fatigued by games whose only stated contribution to society is their ability to inspire short-lived outrage in Fox News-watching moms. Jim: Am I "old" and "increasingly irrelevant?"

I'd like to think that BECAUSE I'm young and game-savvy, I expect more from modern games than mere self-acknowledged bullet porn. I would hate for the next generation of gamers, when they take control of public opinion as you say they will, to unanimously accept mindless violence as an laudable use of the medium. There OUGHT to remain some people out there who are outraged by Bulletstorm - or at the very least, who don't celebrate it for being intentionally trashy.
Mr Andy Dixon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 15:23
Mr Andy Dixon
@Salvathras

The only game that beat it in its first week was Killzone 3. Not sure of the numbers, but number 2 for a new IP is pretty impressive.
PhilK3nS3bb3n's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 15:41
PhilK3nS3bb3n
@Gaiden: you should, it's awesome
falsenipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 16:43
falsenipple
I went to both Game Politics and The A List to see if what was paraphrased from Capp in brackets was different there, or even available in its entirety. It wasn't, which doesn't seem like a very good thing considering the gravity implied by what is being paraphrased. I can only imagine what Capps said was a hair more vague, but I guess that wouldn't let multiple websites run wild with something more engaging that he may not have even directly said.

I peeked around the 'Web for a little bit more and most of the links to these quotes went back to The A List. Maybe I should ask them what he said, or if he ok'd the paraphrasing. I might be nosier than I need to be here, but honestly when you can get an interview, unless it's absolutely necessary, you should take the words from your source as they come.

Of course, I have nothing against Jim reposting this here. It is news afterall. : /
annoyinglad's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 16:49
annoyinglad
"There are people who really respect Fox News' opinions and look at that and are [convinced that video games are bad]."

2 things:

1) Wait, people like FOX?
2) That's why people don't like FOX, because it's never factual information. It's just opinion.
falsenipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 16:50
falsenipple
Follow up to my previous comment:

The interview from which these quotes are from

http://www.industrygamers.com/news/bulletstorm-will-top-1-million-helped-by-fox-news-says-epic/

which is either down or my laptop sucks because I had to view the Google cached version of the page.

I don't know what that means, but it seems fishy.
Mrdraven's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 17:37
Mrdraven
If the latest batch of Fox BS has helped to show the younger generation of gamers how TRULY BIASED and NON-FACTUAL the "reporting" on Fox "News" can be, it's a win in my book. Hell, I'm opinionated and can talk about ANY worldly topic without backing up my rant with facts...can I get my own show on Fox? I hope Rupert Murdoch's wife takes half of EVERYTHING! Fuck that guy.

Bulletstorm a top-seller?! I guess I'm not surprised. The original Crackdown was a top-seller when it came out too, thanks to a certain beta. So who wants to bet that Activision is watching this and salivating while figuring out which next shit-release of theirs will come packaged with a MW3 beta invite?
Maniac's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 18:15
Maniac
Uh yeah. Did we all forget what happened when GTA4 came out? GTA4 had free publicity for like 2 weeks from mainstream media followed by 2 months of smaller developers complaining about the media backlash.
carg0's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 18:30
carg0
amazon.com was offering nearly $30 trade-in credit for Bulletstorm when i last checked. that was too good for me to pass up.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 18:37
Occams electric toothbrush
I get my news same as I always have, from the old black lady on the bus.

She don't fuck around.
Spaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 19:45
Spaz
People who respect Fox News opinion are borderline retarded and probably don't play video games, so I think the industry is fine.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 20:12
KingSigy
You're honestly right. Most people getting outraged are either in their late 40's or somewhere past 50. They won't be around for much longer and their influence won't do anything to the fucked up youth we already have.
kid23455's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/08/2011 20:31
kid23455
Epic games is full of shit. People whom hate video games will always exist, and they're (both of then) idiots, oh, lets make a super-bad game for the free advertising on fox.
Mr No's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/11/2011 17:50
Mr No
@Occam
Damn, she give it to you STRAIGHT.

@Article/Jim
In my opinion, stuff like this has a sort of equalizing effect. It increases the game's sales, therefore helping the numbers side of the industry, but hurts the industry's reputation as a whole, which may eventually lead to some lost sales. It all sort of evens out. But, old people are dying, as mrandydixon so eloquently put it, so in a few decades when we grizzled gamers are the only ones left, I don't know if Fox will still be putting out these so called "news reports". I mean, just look at rock & roll.
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