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Epic does not support 'the current version' of SOPA photo

Epic Games has stated that it does not support the Stop Online Piracy Act -- at least as it currently exists. The studio believes in fighting overseas websites that aid piracy, but wants to be able to protect freedom of speech at the same time. 

"Some people have asked how Epic feels about the Stop Online Piracy Act (SOPA). This post is meant to provide answers," said Epic's Dana Cowley. "Epic Games supports efforts that would stop overseas websites profiting from pirating our games, but we have to do that in a way that's compatible with freedom of speech and due process of law. Thus, we do not support the current version of SOPA. 

"We are members of the Entertainment Software Association (ESA), a trade organization that is working with legislators to refine the bill."

That's very nice to know, but SOPA is such a vague mess of a bill that it needs destruction, not refinement. Not to mention, with the amount of amendments that were casually denied in the last hearing, there are plenty of influential entities that want to keep it as unchanged as possible. SOPA needs to be scrapped, and people who actually understand what the Internet is need to be the ones making any laws pertaining to the thing -- if such laws are ever actually needed. 

It's great that Epic respects free speech, but for as long as it remains a member of the ESA, it does support SOPA in whatever horrendous form it takes.








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Gorescream's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:22
Gorescream
this still doesn't make it up for your PR disasters, epic.
handhelds4ever's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:23
handhelds4ever
If Epic can support the PS Vita, that's all I care about

/everyonelooksatmyusername
Clowbog Beborp's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:25
Clowbog Beborp
I had a lengthy discussion via Twitter last night with someone who thought I was attempting to squash Epic's First Amendment rights by telling Cliffy B "Saying SOPA is bad is great, but being a part of the ESA means Epic's statements are a fluff piece."

It turned out better than I thought any discussion on the internet could - we came to an agreement and never once resorted to name-calling. I was flabbergasted.

And that's my Cool Story of the day.
RyguyBeta's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:33
RyguyBeta
@Clowbog Beborp A rational debate between two individuals on the Internet that didn't result into rampant insults and typical Internet douchebaggery....I'm speechless, I thought such a thing was a myth.
Clowbog Beborp's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:37
Clowbog Beborp
@RyguyBeta Between two people that play Epic games, and had never interacted or known about each other's existence beforehand no less.

It happened to me and I still have a hard time believing it. It's like I found Sasquatch or something.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:39
Jim Sterling
Clowbog Beborp:

Can love bloom, even on a battlefield?

Yes it can.
Xeon121's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:39
Xeon121
I think on epics part its a somewhat hollow statement. They simply don't agree with its current form they do not denounce it for what it is in its entirety. Smart PR move though kudos.
OneRed's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:40
OneRed
Just another gaming entity having their cake and eating it too.

You know, when it comes to the gaming aspect of all this, the double speak on the part of the industry is really as worrisome as anything.
Dhaos's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:43
Dhaos
Anyone see where google and facebook are thinking of shutting down on the 23rd in protest? That would be crazy
NotoriousBIG420's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:43
NotoriousBIG420
I want my, I want my, I want my MTV!!!
Scuffles's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:45
Scuffles
Yeah sorry Epic, while it is nice that you say you don't support SOPA. The fact that you are still a member of the ESA that adamantly supports SOPA sorta trumps your hollow PR stance.
Scuffles's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:46
Scuffles
@Dhaos

Also heard Amazon was amongst those that was going to shutdown, hadn't heard an exact date but I certainly hope they do and that others join them.
mxdirector's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:51
mxdirector
The more I learn about piracy the more I realise that it simply isn't a problem.
Dhaos's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 09:57
Dhaos
@scuffles looks like twitter, wiki and yahoo are getting on board too...
Mrdraven's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 10:11
Mrdraven
This is like if I was a part of some street gang that pulled a home invasion on some Epic employees houses, only for me to turn around and say "Yes I am a part of this gang, but I DO NOT agree with this group's course of action, so please don't blame me personally WHEN your families get beaten and raped. Please understand that we have to fight for our territorial rights in order to keep them, if some innocents get squashed along the way that was never MY intention so you can't possibly hold me liable for my gang's actions"

Fuck you, Epic. You are part of the ESA. THE ESA SUPPORTS SOPA. WHAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND?!?!?!
WEEDPOWERON's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 10:13
WEEDPOWERON
This is fucking bullshit. As long as they are members of the ESA and having made any comments about how the ESA supports SOPA, we shouldn't pay any attention to "Cliffy B." Epic games do the Activision dance and leave.
WEEDPOWERON's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 10:14
WEEDPOWERON
*haven't
CaptainHowdy's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 10:32
CaptainHowdy
There still supporting the ESA.
Kizeeta's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 10:32
Kizeeta
ANOTHER article about SOPA? I sure do love reading these!

o wait
TurboKill's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 10:33
TurboKill
SOPA is unconstitutional, got it.
Begaria's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 10:34
Begaria
This may be a rash thing to do, but perhaps those members of the ESA are completely opposed to SOPA should just drop out of the ESA. Much like a lot of websites are changing over services that are opposed to SOPA, this could potentially change ESA's stance if they start losing support within their own organization.
jorbams's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 11:13
jorbams
This seems like textbook "having your cake and eating it too." You can be all down with the kids by being like "yeah we support free speech!" yet do nothing meaningful that backs that up. You don't distance yourself from a impotent/incompetant group like the ESA, you just play the safe, noncommittal middle and then jump to whoever's ship is still floating.

All of the companies, to my knowledge, who have backed off from their support of SOPA haven't done it because they learned any kind of moral or ethical lesson, they've done it because they won't get to have sex with as big a pile of money that they're used to because their customers turned out to be halfway savvy.

This just smacks of toothless, insincere PR.

tl;dr = fuckin' Jewbama! Where's the birth certificate?!
Blahblahblahblah's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 11:44
Blahblahblahblah
And I honestly don't give a fuck what Epic thinks.
Toneman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 12:07
Toneman
Whatever, Bulletstorm sucked.
TheRedDevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 12:13
TheRedDevil
Epic and every other games company needs to put pressure on the ESA to drop all support for SOPA.
Spaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 12:34
Spaz
They support the ESA, therefore they support SOPA. Yeah another company to boycott. Of course most of Epic's fanbase is 12 year old 360 kids like Jimmyx who have no cluw what SOPA even is. They could probably support it and lose no business by it because of it.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 13:25
pedrovay2003
Okay, so I may not know shit about any of this stuff going on with SOPA, but wouldn't the ESA give companies involved with it benefits OTHER than "Hey, we're the ESA, which means you support SOPA, and that's all we do!"

It's like an everyday job. There may be things that annoy you, but that doesn't mean you quit, giving up all of your insurance benefits. At least Epic isn't outright saying that they don't give two fucks about consumers' rights.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 14:08
pedrovay2003
Or is the ESA nothing more than a club, offering nothing to its members?
Revolution's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 14:48
Revolution
I think it an opportune time to bring up the Civil Rights Act. It was all for ending segregation (which is great, btw) that the government itself enforced. However, no one bothered to look at the fact that it was at the expense of property rights. It is the complacency of Americans that stick their head in the sand, that has set the standard to allow bills such as SOPA to rear their ugly head. We must scrutinize all un-American legislation to the same extent as SOPA. Most bills are labeled benevolently, but their intent never is. See the Patriot Act for exhibit B. Nothing patriotic about it.

RON PAUL 2012- WILL REPEAL or NOT ENFORCE:
SOPA, NDAA, THE PATRIOT ACT.
Kushaba Akami's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 15:14
Kushaba Akami
Ok epic thats ONE step in the right direction. Now if you can just fix that whole cliffy b hating gays thing. Then we will be cool with you.
youngskeletor's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 17:37
youngskeletor
Not so epic now are they?
RockWallofMight359's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 18:17
RockWallofMight359
More guilt by association, eh Jimbo? More distraction, more likely. Thanks a lot Destructoid.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 18:30
pedrovay2003
@RockWall

While I think you came off as a bit of a jerk, I do agree with the guilty by association thing. I have no idea why so many people are condemning Epic for OPPOSING SOPA.
Mrdraven's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 18:54
Mrdraven
Yes, guilt by association.

Because if there's one thing the average sharp-minded consumer is well-aware and extremely tired of, it's LYING-ASS BUSINESS ETHICS! Deceitful pricks will tell us whatever they think we want to hear to keep the money rolling in. This sounds like damage control of a sort. Epic can say whatever the hell they want publicly, their position of standing firm with the ESA clearly indicates to me that no matter how bad they think the current iteration of SOPA might be, they are not interested in the least in doing anything to hinder it.

Epic's words say "we don't agree with SOPA". Epic's actions seem to support SOPA, indirectly or otherwise. When you deal with people in your daily life, which do you put more trust in...what they SAY or what they actually DO?
Commandant Oreo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/05/2012 20:40
Commandant Oreo
Clowbog:"lengthy discussion" and "twitter" is quite the oxymoron. The fact you did THAT, and the miracle that followed, I'm shocked.
RockWallofMight359's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2012 03:14
RockWallofMight359
@pedrovay2003

Ah well, I'm not sure detraction is very deserving of courtesy. It makes it quite clear that I see there is a problem with this post.

@Mrdraven

Yes, because a company's open letter stating they do not support the bill means next to nothing. And this conspiracy involving their deceit to us innocent consumers totally warrants more attention than the ESA or the bill itself.

Regardless of Epic's true intentions, it hardly matters. Focus on the real problem, not your paranoia.
Jay Me's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2012 06:12
Jay Me
@Clowbog Beborp

That's an amazing story but just to bring you back to reality, "GO FUCK UR SELF. CLIFFY B RULEZ & SO DOSE GEARS OF WAR!?!!"
Mrdraven's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2012 07:56
Mrdraven
@RockWallOfMight359

Exactly, a company's open statement does not hold much water for me or many others these days. We have adopted a "wait and see" approach due to all the statements and promises constantly made that are constantly broken. I don't consider myself a conspiracy theorist at all in this matter. I can see how this appears to make me paranoid, I look at it more like real-world skepticism. It doesn't matter what they SAY to us. PROVE it.

I'm not sure what makes you think I was trying to focus the attention on Epic and not the real problem as you said, SOPA. This article is about Epic's statement, so that is what I focused on. Perhaps you should start to consider that maybe Epic's statement does not dissolve them of any sort of responsibility in this matter

I absolutely emailed Jim's letters from the earlier post, even included a few words of my own at the end to make it personal. I realize this issue as a whole is not just about Epic, but this article is.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2012 13:04
pedrovay2003
@Mrdraven

Epic's statement may not "dissolve them of any sort of responsibility in this matter," but what people don't seem to understand is that companies like Epic have all the right in the world to make sure their games aren't stolen. I think we all agree that SOPA, as it currently, is, certainly isn't the answer, but that doesn't mean piracy isn't an issue and should be ignored. I'd be wary about leaving the ESA, too, if I were in Epic's position. At least they actually came out and said that they disagree with how it currently looks.
Mrdraven's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/06/2012 15:59
Mrdraven
I have never stated that Epic or anybody else doesn't have a right to protect their own material, and I never will. If that is what you have gathered from my statements you are simply incorrect.

Piracy should absolutely NOT be ignored, but if you can honestly tell me you believe that SOPA can effectively and completely squash piracy WITHOUT allowing any abuses of power...we'll just have to agree to disagree.

What I or others don't understand is how in the world Epic can look themselves in the mirror and basically say "we're not the bad guys, we just side with them".

I hear the KKK has excellent health benefits, I think I'll join. But you absolutely cannot link me to their hate crimes, because I'm telling you now I don't agree with it. But I will join the KKK so don't you or anyone else hold anything against me, ok?

Dramatic? Yeah. Thank god it's friday, lol.
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