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I really hope this whole process gets heavily expedited and we see tons of publishers try the same thing at the same time, watch all but one or two fail, and then realize that Steam is probably the best option.
One can hope, right?
One can hope, right?
Ok.
So if you bought Dragon Age II on Steam, are you fucked out of DLC possibly? It sounds like you might be.
So if you bought Dragon Age II on Steam, are you fucked out of DLC possibly? It sounds like you might be.
While they need to figure out what to do with things like Magnalon mentioned about DLC for games already bought on other services, I honestly don't know why everybody thinks there is anything wrong with saying fuck you Valve, we'll sell the game ourselves. Why should Valve be the only company allowed to sell games digitally? Sure, their service is better, but other companies have the right to try and best them.
Losing battle or not, the notion that any given company should have to do exactly what gamers say is bullshit. As Pacopaco says above me, we can watch all these publishers fail and then you can have Steam only one day. But until then you'll just have to deal with companies exercising their rights to do whatever the hell they want with their properties.
But if this game being yanked messes with anybody's purchase, they had better fix any problems caused for consumers.
Losing battle or not, the notion that any given company should have to do exactly what gamers say is bullshit. As Pacopaco says above me, we can watch all these publishers fail and then you can have Steam only one day. But until then you'll just have to deal with companies exercising their rights to do whatever the hell they want with their properties.
But if this game being yanked messes with anybody's purchase, they had better fix any problems caused for consumers.
Don't worry Jim. The pirates you have long hated will forgive you and set you free from your ledger. You can still throw the Devs 60 bucks if you want and download it through the only market left once they eliminate the other competition. Though with only one source and the ability to set the price to whatever they want expect that to be 100 bucks within a decade. After all they had to increase prices because of piracy ;)
I don't trust them as much as I trust Steam. If there ever is an EA game that comes out on PC that I want, I'll be buying a box copy thank you very much.
It'll be interesting when this fails and they want to go back to Steam and Valve will just say "fuck off."
@Magnalon
If you bought Dragon Age II AT ALL you're pretty well fucked, from what I hear.
;)
(Hey, SOMEONE had to say it!)
If you bought Dragon Age II AT ALL you're pretty well fucked, from what I hear.
;)
(Hey, SOMEONE had to say it!)
If you download Alice Madness Returns from EA, you have to have EA Download Manager running if you want to play.
If you buy the DVD version (which doesn't come bonus content) you can play the game straight from you're HDD once you activate the key.
Gee, I wonder which version I bought...
If you buy the DVD version (which doesn't come bonus content) you can play the game straight from you're HDD once you activate the key.
Gee, I wonder which version I bought...
I absolutely agree with Jim Sterling, not only that but this also mean we will end-up having to install ALL of them :(
@RiskbreakerRiot
Wow mate, you'll be seriously missing out. Its no like the game will change if you play it on a different service
Wow mate, you'll be seriously missing out. Its no like the game will change if you play it on a different service
I agree with Eternal. I have tons of games on Steam, but I remember that Steam was crap for the first few years, much worse than what everyone complains Games for Windows is. And Steam belongs to Valve, a dev themselves. Nobody appointed Steam or Valve as the saviors of the PC or "the PC console", so even though it's annoying, all this hate towards EA is unjustified. Valve doesn't publish Crysis 2, EA does, why should EA continue to give Valve a licence to print money of their product? It's business 101.
Steam has a built up reputation of being the best at what it does for a reason, I don't see EA even coming close to having built any kind of trust with it's users lately, which is too bad, cause it seemed like they were on a roll for awhile too...
If EA actually made games that were good and/or games that I gave a shit about this would be a problem. Thankfully, they haven't done that yet, so I'm fine with this.
EA: Hey guys! We're going to try to derive ourselves from the DD service medium to add some competition in Steam's market!
Fans: yeah, we're pirating your shit.
Fans: yeah, we're pirating your shit.
I don't have a big problem with EA but this is really shitty. I guess I won't be getting anymore EA games on PC, I'm sticking with Steam. Thanks for the incentive to pirate though.
@Epic-KxDtoid
More like
EA: We are tired of going through a service not dissimilar to retail, we want 100% of the profits so we are taking our ball and going home.
and before you say "but EA deserves 100% of the profits" .... they are not a developer they are a publisher. They buy up developers milk them for a game or two and liquidate them. You know who deserves any additional profits .... developers not upper management.
More like
EA: We are tired of going through a service not dissimilar to retail, we want 100% of the profits so we are taking our ball and going home.
and before you say "but EA deserves 100% of the profits" .... they are not a developer they are a publisher. They buy up developers milk them for a game or two and liquidate them. You know who deserves any additional profits .... developers not upper management.
@Griven
You are wrong about that, Origin does not have to be running in order to play Alice. All of the rage amuses me.
You are wrong about that, Origin does not have to be running in order to play Alice. All of the rage amuses me.
You know EA is going to force boxed copies to install their service the same way hl2 made you install steam the same way games that use the steam cloud force you to install steam.
Soon you may not have any choice.
Soon you may not have any choice.
"the PC equivalent of the console wars is about to begin, and anyone can play!"
Hey, that was my line.
Just to play the other side, how many passwords do you think you already have with all the different sites you go to now? Plus retail sites like Amazon, Wal-mart, newegg, and on and on.
Does one more account to set up really put you out that much? What if Origin starts doing new things that Steam has not done? (I'm not suggesting they actually will, just hypothetically speaking.)
Hey, that was my line.
Just to play the other side, how many passwords do you think you already have with all the different sites you go to now? Plus retail sites like Amazon, Wal-mart, newegg, and on and on.
Does one more account to set up really put you out that much? What if Origin starts doing new things that Steam has not done? (I'm not suggesting they actually will, just hypothetically speaking.)
After all this rage, has everyone forgotten about Amazon? Amazon has Alice up there for JUST the download, and it's also 5 bucks cheaper. Hate the game, just don't hate the player.
1. Everyone saying this is competition is wrong. If EA decides to release ONLY their games on ONLY their service, that is a monopoly, not competition.
2. EA's track record of customer treatment is a joke. For every positive story of customer service with EA, you'll find 50 negatives.
3. EA's TOS clearly states that they only guarantee you access to a product you *bought* for ONE YEAR. People who used EADM in the past have had their "license" expire and had games removed from their account without reason or warning.
4. This is the equivalent to a 12 year old taking their ball and going home.
5. Need I remind you that they named this service after a company they abused and destroyed?
2. EA's track record of customer treatment is a joke. For every positive story of customer service with EA, you'll find 50 negatives.
3. EA's TOS clearly states that they only guarantee you access to a product you *bought* for ONE YEAR. People who used EADM in the past have had their "license" expire and had games removed from their account without reason or warning.
4. This is the equivalent to a 12 year old taking their ball and going home.
5. Need I remind you that they named this service after a company they abused and destroyed?
"PC equivelant of the console wars"? That assumes that someone is siding with EA's Origin. Who openly supports Origin?
This seems like a somewhat pointless endeavor as origin does not have any subscription fee to it. They seem to be under the impression that having fewer people selling their games is a good business model. Games that are console exclusive do not sell as well as games that arent. I cant imagine the sales number they would need to make on those origin exclusive titles that would compensate for the number of people that arent buying it because it is PC exclusive, not in stores, and not on steam then factor in the additional costs for bandwidth and those games will have to sell fabulously well for this to be a provitable idea.
To all the people saying EA have the right to do this. Of course they do, no one has suggested they don't. Everyone complaining also has the right to tell EA to fuck off with their anti competitive bullshit.
Business 101 to be monopolistic assholes? Maybe. But it's marketing 101 to add a value proposition to any service you might have. To one up steam you have to offer something they don't. Sure you might think that by offering exclusives that would work, but you are forgetting your main competitor, piracy. Steam out competes piracy by offering a shit tonne more than a convenient download platform. It also breeds loyalists. A blatant cash grab is going to piss them right off. Piracy will ensue.
I can't wait for this to fail. Fucking pricks.
Business 101 to be monopolistic assholes? Maybe. But it's marketing 101 to add a value proposition to any service you might have. To one up steam you have to offer something they don't. Sure you might think that by offering exclusives that would work, but you are forgetting your main competitor, piracy. Steam out competes piracy by offering a shit tonne more than a convenient download platform. It also breeds loyalists. A blatant cash grab is going to piss them right off. Piracy will ensue.
I can't wait for this to fail. Fucking pricks.
I'd be concerned if EA was capable of being original, but this service will fold in all likelihood, Steam has proven time and time again that it is the best service, and to be fair, Valve spun it off into it's own company, sure it's a subdivision of valve, but it operates independently.
Congratulations EA! You've found the perfect way to avoid my having to bother with your games at all anymore. Simply hide them on a service that neither I nor anyone I know will ever use. Now if you would just sell your console titles exclusively through a store in Antarctica you can have the Real Life equivalent of what you're going to do with this origin nonsense.
This is just like making a check from a bank account in BANK A exclusive to that Bank. You have an account in BANK B, somebody gives you a check from BANK A, and BANK A doesn't let you cash it to BANK B, so you have to make an account in BANK A, and suddendly you have a million accounts for every bank in existance because not a single bank accepts checks from other banks.
I am not behind this. The worst thing is that I'm now fucked for Battlefield 3 and Mass Effect 3. Two games I was eagerly looking forward to and that I won't buy. Steam doesn't take money away from developers, so I don't see the point.
It's different with OnLive that offers another approach to digital distribution or even Direct2Drive which offers different deals. This is EA selling only EA games. How the hell is that going to be successful?
It's different with OnLive that offers another approach to digital distribution or even Direct2Drive which offers different deals. This is EA selling only EA games. How the hell is that going to be successful?
But EA published the Orange Box... WILL THAT GO TO ORIGIN TOO!?
joking aside, I don't see why companies are trying to compete with Steam. It's a perfectly fine product, and I don't really see many flaws with it. I am interested to see what Origin does that Steam-don't, if it will have anything special about it at all.
I recently got Dead Rising 2 on that steam sale, and my god I hate Games for Windows LIVE, I'd hate to have to deal with more of that kind of crap.
joking aside, I don't see why companies are trying to compete with Steam. It's a perfectly fine product, and I don't really see many flaws with it. I am interested to see what Origin does that Steam-don't, if it will have anything special about it at all.
I recently got Dead Rising 2 on that steam sale, and my god I hate Games for Windows LIVE, I'd hate to have to deal with more of that kind of crap.
EA had a shitty online store before and they took it down. I say fuck'em boycott the shit out of this. Steam is the best PC/MAC store and always will be.
Next time you see an EA executive Jim give them a Big Hey Fuck You from me. I will never...ever...buy into this bullshit. EA has seen what Valve has done with Steam and they think they can achieve the same success by copying their business model. Without doing the actual work. They...just like other publishers fail to see the reason for Valves great success. They are successful because of the relationship they have with the Gamer. People just like Valve, trust them, and have loyalty towards them. Things that EA will never have.
First they pissed off everyone with their bullshit select pre-order DLC and now they are yanking games off of Steam. The latter they flat out denied by the way. Oh...not too mention their stupid Online Pass scam.
The only place I download AAA is Steam and that will not change. I download arcade titles from XBLA and PSN but refuse to pay full price for retail releases through Games on Demand or PSN. That is and always will be utter bullshit. When things go digital they should be substantially discounted. If its not Steam then its a physical copy from Amazon, Gamestop, Bestbuy, Kmart, ect.
First they pissed off everyone with their bullshit select pre-order DLC and now they are yanking games off of Steam. The latter they flat out denied by the way. Oh...not too mention their stupid Online Pass scam.
The only place I download AAA is Steam and that will not change. I download arcade titles from XBLA and PSN but refuse to pay full price for retail releases through Games on Demand or PSN. That is and always will be utter bullshit. When things go digital they should be substantially discounted. If its not Steam then its a physical copy from Amazon, Gamestop, Bestbuy, Kmart, ect.
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