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I actually liked the first kane and lynch. The story was awesome but the gameplay didn't deliver as much as I wanted it too. Hay sorta off topic do you guys remember Goblin Commander. I miss that game just sayin
aesthetically I loved Dog Days. I really enjoyed playing a lot of it too. But, the gunplay really needed to be better for a studio with as much experience as Eidos. The main fuck up for me was that the gameplay never went anywhere. I did the same shit over & over & over again. Then, to top it off the last levels just ramped up the difficulty to a level that wasn't fun, just infuriating. Its a shame. I have kept the game purely for its visuals and atmosphere. I just hope that Eidos can nail the gameplay next time.
On the upside, i feel that Dog Days is one of the more aesthetically interesting out of the realistic games made in recent times. I think they got that spot on!
On the upside, i feel that Dog Days is one of the more aesthetically interesting out of the realistic games made in recent times. I think they got that spot on!
The jumping camera can be turned off, and in the PC version the youtube effects can be turned off too. I played through once with and once without and honestly it was better without for me, but then I'm a PC elitist graphics whore and all that so I like my crisper details.
Game was good I thought, just too short.
Game was good I thought, just too short.
@munkee although I never played dog days the first one had some of those really frustrating moments where it doesn't explain what to do or where to go I.e. The dump truck part
Give the K&L property to a studio who can actually code a good game. The first one was horrible to play but K&L2 really took shittines to a whole new level. I will never play such a game again even though it's just 3 hours.
I liked both games, actually. Just finished the second one, and it's current price of 19.99 on Steam is just about perfect for it. never had problems with the art style of the game (i even stopped noticing it after several levels), which may be my personal thing or again the way it feels on PC. And the game played quite good on PC. Much better than the first one, if not for diminishing the impact of coop.
The first one had better story and situations you are put in, though. And better characterization. But that's the difference of the art styles between the games.
I hope they do a really solid game the third time, or do something as good as the second one on PC but for lower price than the normal one.
The first one had better story and situations you are put in, though. And better characterization. But that's the difference of the art styles between the games.
I hope they do a really solid game the third time, or do something as good as the second one on PC but for lower price than the normal one.
If they can make a non shit game that keeps the heat feel from the first Kane and lynch then I have hope.
Biggest flaws of k&l have been gameplay issues and shitty settings for the characters like the war part in the second half and all of k&l 2
Biggest flaws of k&l have been gameplay issues and shitty settings for the characters like the war part in the second half and all of k&l 2
Yea I love the characters and the potential of Kane and Lynch but Eidos is clearly unable to make a good game for them to be in. They need to go the third party route for this license if they want it to succeed.
I picked up the second one on Steam when it was on sale. Better than the first in terms of style, but gameplay is still lacking. It's an interesting concept and story for the most part, but not a very good game.
@ IV Backstab MC
Uhh... you shoot the people on the dump truck, then you shoot the people that show up. It wasn't really complicated.
Don't ever try and play something like Hexen, you're brain would explode.
Uhh... you shoot the people on the dump truck, then you shoot the people that show up. It wasn't really complicated.
Don't ever try and play something like Hexen, you're brain would explode.
@stinging velvet. It would have been easier if the people on the dump truck were easier to hit with the wonky controls. :( I dunno guess I'm stupid I jept trying to shoot the damn driver and it would never work
"Brand equity?" Really? Just because people have heard of a thing, doesn't mean it's a good thing. Just ask Enron.
What is Marmite effect? I can't find a proper translation and marmita means traveler food's in my language.
Well here's the thing.. the Hitman games are pretty great. Kane & Lynch suck pretty badly. So if Hitman 5 is great I'd think that's a good sign to hang up Kane and Lynch once and for all as that proves IO is still capable of making a good game... just their IP sucked. If Hitman 5 sucks then IO just doesn't know how to make games anymore.
I feel like the franchise is/was forced into being a franchise without much consumer support. 2 crappy games, a decent comic, and a film on the way? Why? The first game didn't do that great, neither did the second. Why is Eidos trying to force a franchise out of these characters?
The visual style should be used again in some other game ( a cloverfield game awww )
but the game was keek.
but the game was keek.
Did the sequel flop? I remember it doing well for the first couple of weeks, but that was probably because GAME were selling it at ridiculously cheap prices. I never bothered picking up the sequel despite liking the first one. I was just put off by the way they wasted a great visual idea.
Like Jim says, the characters are great; it's just that they get lumbered with bad stories and average gameplay.
@Evergreen: The first one sold over a million copies, believe it or not. That's why they wanted a sequel. Bad reviews don't always mean bad sales.
Like Jim says, the characters are great; it's just that they get lumbered with bad stories and average gameplay.
@Evergreen: The first one sold over a million copies, believe it or not. That's why they wanted a sequel. Bad reviews don't always mean bad sales.
@JFF:
The Marmite effect is when people either really like something or they really hate it with no one sorta liking it . It's named of the spread Marmite (http://www.marmite.com/).
The Marmite effect is when people either really like something or they really hate it with no one sorta liking it . It's named of the spread Marmite (http://www.marmite.com/).
This strikes me as a fascinating example of negative equity and the impact of having a product so notoriously divisive just to see what everyone is yammering about. Does it sell games? Apparently so.
As for K&L II, I liked it....as a rental. As for purchasing it, no way. The campaign was fun, but short, and since I'm not into multiplayer, it was not worth a purchase. Put more replay value into the campaign, Like some role playing-1st person shooter elements (like Borderlands) and I'd possibly buy it.
here's what you do with any new k&l games.
scrap the notion of playing as them, instead, you're job is to hunt them, you are a fuct in the head bounty hunter with a weird obsession for candlestick holders and scales/weight measuring devices.
they both have metaphoric meanings that shine late into the game that work into puzzles or something.
scrap the notion of playing as them, instead, you're job is to hunt them, you are a fuct in the head bounty hunter with a weird obsession for candlestick holders and scales/weight measuring devices.
they both have metaphoric meanings that shine late into the game that work into puzzles or something.
Btw, Jim, to continue on my "PC version was good", i think if the problem of the camera you had is not [only] becuase of personal things, it may be also because of the resolution and monitor size. I played it on 19' with 1280x1080 which is a higher resolution on a smaller display. It may have something to do with my reaction to the style versus yours.
I'm not defending the game, i just came to the conclusion that, surprisingly, the game playes and feels much better on PC, than consoles. But, i guess, that won't get you to try out the PC version -_-
I'm not defending the game, i just came to the conclusion that, surprisingly, the game playes and feels much better on PC, than consoles. But, i guess, that won't get you to try out the PC version -_-
TL;DR comments
I don't think it's IO's fault. Publishers still get a lot of say in how the game is gonna look and feel. Well, maybe, it wasn't publisher's fault. Look at first Kane & Lynch. It was brilliant, IMO. As well as most of the Hitman games. And, yes, I still look forward to next Hitman game more than everything else. Let's see, if they can outdo themselves yet again.
That is, if they do another Hitman game, which is my favorite game series ever. Or, one of the best. *khm* Thief *khm*
I don't think it's IO's fault. Publishers still get a lot of say in how the game is gonna look and feel. Well, maybe, it wasn't publisher's fault. Look at first Kane & Lynch. It was brilliant, IMO. As well as most of the Hitman games. And, yes, I still look forward to next Hitman game more than everything else. Let's see, if they can outdo themselves yet again.
That is, if they do another Hitman game, which is my favorite game series ever. Or, one of the best. *khm* Thief *khm*
@ Klarden,
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/hitman-5-out-xmas-2011-at-the-earliest
And I agree with Thief... Now that Warren Spector has put down the Mickey Gloves it's time to get back into some Thief business.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/hitman-5-out-xmas-2011-at-the-earliest
And I agree with Thief... Now that Warren Spector has put down the Mickey Gloves it's time to get back into some Thief business.
Holy shit, I just saw this..
http://eidosmontreal.com/en/games.html
So there is a Thief 4 in the works. Nice.
http://eidosmontreal.com/en/games.html
So there is a Thief 4 in the works. Nice.
"I love Kane and Lynch as characters, I just hate the shitty games that IO Interactive puts them into."
Pretty much wraps up any comment I would have made.
Pretty much wraps up any comment I would have made.
@runtheplacered
I wasn't the one with the Thief and Hitman comments:)
And knew, that both Thief 4 and Hitman 5 are in works. Doesn't make the fact less awesome, though:)
I wasn't the one with the Thief and Hitman comments:)
And knew, that both Thief 4 and Hitman 5 are in works. Doesn't make the fact less awesome, though:)
Honestly, the Hitman games played like shit. Hell, the controls were worse than in Kane & Lynch. So seriously, I wasn't surprised when Kane & Lynch was flawed to the core. However, unlike Hitman--which has most run its course--I do believe Kane & Lynch has some serious potential--but let's be honest, it'll take a hell of a comeback to make people give this one a 3rd chance. I'm willing to give it another chance, though. Great characters, no doubt.
How about putting these two in a different genre? I can't be the only one who finds it odd that two fairly incompetent thugs spend their time shooting everyone in the world. Surely they can get up to more inspired shenanigans than that.
I'm with RaidenFan on this and agree with his/hers entire comment.
I was a sneaky mother fucker in hitman, i love stealth games and I still thought it was shitty. Nice idea, some nice settings, but clunky as hell and irritating to play. I'm surprised that it has such a big fan base.
I was a sneaky mother fucker in hitman, i love stealth games and I still thought it was shitty. Nice idea, some nice settings, but clunky as hell and irritating to play. I'm surprised that it has such a big fan base.
@munkee
had no problems with how the stealth missions played since the first Hitman, seriously.
shooter missions were stupid, sure. I still have bad memories of Columbia missions in the first one
had no problems with how the stealth missions played since the first Hitman, seriously.
shooter missions were stupid, sure. I still have bad memories of Columbia missions in the first one
Both Hitman and Kane & Lynch need to wander off to a better dev.
I've always wanted to like both franchises but the game engines are fuggin' terrible.
I've always wanted to like both franchises but the game engines are fuggin' terrible.
Why is it that the buiness suits think it's their duty to ram this franchise down our throats even if we don't want it? They got Jeff at Gamespot fired for not giving the first one a good enough review, they've been pushing for a movie version since before it was even out, they acted like the release of Kane and Lynch 2 was the second coming of Christ... And meanwhile, gamers all yawned and rolled their eyes. It was a "nothing to see here, move on" affair, and yet Eidos acts as if we should all be shouting from the mountains "ZOMG KANE AND LYNCH IS BIGGER THAN CALL OF DUTY!" whenever they stamp this game's name on something.
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