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EGM  Petition: Bring back the old school photo

Well, you gotta give Editor-in-Chief Dan "Shoe" Hsu some credit for stirring up a pot lately, with his editorials in Electronic Gaming Monthly. Though you got to wonder if he's really going to bring the EGM ship down by trying to be so transparent, and so hardlined with his point of view.

What happened to the EGM of old, when it was so much more lively, and less "cyni-jaded"? Which, BTW, is a new word I'm using in Scrabble, deftly combining "cynical" and "jaded."

I'm like a samurai with my tongue. More after the jump.

 

Seems Shoe wants EGM to be all about writing for the people, which I guess means churning out a magazine about 25% the size it use to be. Umm, here's a reality check: EVERYONE, including EGM, is all about generating hype for their business. Hype drives sales. And hype, by the nature of hyping, is all about crossing the line every now and then.

If EGM was all about hard hitting journalistic integrity, then it wouldn't have such articles as Seanbaby's features. Nor would it claim on its cover that its "The No. 1 Videogame Magazine." (Surely this can't be based on sales, since Game Informer really dominates here.) Nor would they create 12 variant covers for their latest issue. Slight overkill on the forced collectible there, don't ya think?

My point is, having greater journalistic integrity is really peachy keen, but don't forget to entertain us, OK? Maybe it's just me, but I feel like EGM sorta left the "let's have fun" mantra somewhere back in time. I hope to dear God they don't go under, because the magazine is getting thinner than Jenna Jameson on crack. I sure do miss the old EGM when it was just about fun and games. 

So here's my petition: If you want EGM to bring it back old school style, then give me a "Hell Yah!"
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Dr. Boa may sound like someone who starred in some porn with Dirk Diggler, but his true passion is interactive entertainment. He's notched +15 years in the gaming industry from QA to launching several big hits, so he's got a healthy perspective on what goes on from the flipside. It's amazing he's not a jaded cynic yet. He's finally glad to see more drug filled parties with playboy bunnies and B level celebs like all other entertainment fields. Yes, gaming has finally made it.

 








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MrSadistic's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:41
MrSadistic
I remember that issue of EGM in the picture. Too bad video game magazines don't have that same effect that it had on me when I was a kid and stared in awe at all of the new games coming out that year.
Trevor McGee's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:41
Trevor McGee
"I'm like a samurai with my tongue."

I bet the ladies love you then, lol.
The Johnggernaut's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:44
The Johnggernaut
Hell yeah!
Jonathan Kerr's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:45
Jonathan Kerr
Hell Yah!
Jonathan Holmes's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:46
Jonathan Holmes
Hell YAH!

err...what'd you say?
Def JM's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:46
Def JM
Hell Yah!

Is that right?
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:47
vexed alex
LOL. WUT?

I don't understand what you're asking for. I don't really think EGM is going to try and attempt to be the Time magazine of video games.

I've been reading some EGMs in the past few months and I see no real push to be some uppity magazine. They have their Shawn Baby section, and they have that small comic in the back (that is sometimes a hit or miss). If anything, they're less serious than their dominating competitor (Game Informer).

I'm confused. Are you saying Hsu shouldn't have posted up that Ubisoft are being dicks and that he's trying to be totally open to his readers? Are you asking for him not to be that way?
emotaku's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:48
emotaku
'moar lying plz!'
d1gw33d's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:48
d1gw33d
I remember that issue as well. Back when Mortal Kombat was God. As far as 400 page issues go, that stopped years and I mean YEARS ago. I believe EGM actually had an editorial about why which I recall was the cost of paper had increased drastically.

Now that I'm no longer 13 I would have to say advertising budgets must have changed for magazines because 50% of the mags were ads. They also had a lot of fluff. I remember an EGM issue that had the hardware specs for every console released to date - and it was detailed.
Dynamic Sheep's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:49
Dynamic Sheep
Whoa... I thought we'd scared you away. Welcome back.

You should put something like "More after the jump." before the jump... I almost passed this up thinking that that was all you had to say. Then I realized that there's no way something that short would make it to the front page.
ceark's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:49
ceark
I haven't read a game magazine since I we got the internet back in... letsee I was 5 or 6, so 90-91?
bleep's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:51
bleep
Dr. Boa who do you think you are
Nick Chester's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:51
Nick Chester
@ DynamicSheep:

Good call, I will add that to Boa's post. Thanks for doing my job. ;)
Dynamic Sheep's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 20:59
Dynamic Sheep
@Nick: I can has editor position? :P

I remember seeing a lot of ads in big-ass older gaming mags. Also, some of the stuff my g/f picks up, like Vogue or Allure, are about 400 pages, and 90% of it is advertising. I think EGM is doing just fine the way it is, and the fact that Hsu is getting all "I tell you what I do because we're best buds" is because websites like Dtoid are cutting into their revenue, and he has to change to keep up with the times.
Fading Star's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 21:01
Fading Star
Hell yeah! Bring back the EGM of old!
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 21:07
Sharpless
So, how's Gears of War 2 coming along?
Samit Sarkar's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 21:14
Samit Sarkar
I haven’t read a gaming magazine in forever. Well, okay...that’s not exactly true: I picked up an issue of OXM while at the dentist a few weeks ago, and I bought the issue of OPM that had the Guitar Hero II demo bundled with it. But otherwise, print media (for gaming journalism, anyway) just seems antiquated and anachronistic to me. News moves so much faster than a monthly publication nowadays.
Red TheHaze Veron's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 21:16
Red TheHaze Veron
"Forced collectible"?-

Nobody's forcing you.

"No 1 Video game magazine"-

They're number one in magazine sales from off the rack.
Game informer is number one in circulation just cause GameStop sells you the subscription with their lame card.

"let's have fun" mantra-

I guess you like the "connect the dots" or dumb crosswords you get with GI rather than reading the features that are funny. Not a SeanBaby fan, eh? I guess reading the text bores you. Want more colorful pictures? They have those features in the magazine. IF you actually read the magazine you'd know that they have fun stuff in there.

EGM of old-

Do your realize that what made those magazines think back then were ads in almost all of the right hand pages? I have a n old EGM with Sonic Adventure on the cover and it actually has a 15-page ad for Electornics Botique. A lot of those ads were 2-page ones for a game, unlike today where they only often have one.
happyorangeman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 21:27
happyorangeman
Hell YEAH!!!
Qraze's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 21:28
Qraze
hell no! they go under and those forced collectibles go to ebay for the right suc...i mean bidder. i don't ever read egm anymore. i would rather read a psm as there fun to read. anybody got the issue with beavis and butthead on the cover...classic. i like game informer the best and the internet blows all away. #1_in_the_hood_G!!
AgentMOO's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 21:32
AgentMOO
It's a dying medium, destructoid is essentially an interactive gaming mag, how can you compete with that? You can personally be called a cunt by jim sterling on here, no such honor can be achieved via the print medium.
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 21:34
Phoenix Gamma
Hell NO.

Honestly, I read EGM because it has stuff that isn't online. I know all about new games from Destructoid and live feeds and shit, but they have some really rad articles, and I like the editorials they do.

There's a REASON there are so few gaming mags these days: the old style got outdated because of the internet, so it's either evolve to die trying.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 21:36
Bob Muir
Even though I would like a little more for my buck than the current measly 100 pages, I don't think you can deny that it's full of great articles. And Seanbaby's article fits in great; it's one of the funniest game-related columns I read, and come on: what are they supposed to do, take the licensed crap seriously and do a proper review of what is obviously a bad game?

But then again, I really like the EGM/1UP stuff, as it's the only corporate game business that is staffed by enthusiastic and talented people. It's the best thing you can read short of reading Dtoid.
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 21:36
Bob Muir
Even though I would like a little more for my buck than the current measly 100 pages, I don't think you can deny that it's full of great articles. And Seanbaby's article fits in great; it's one of the funniest game-related columns I read, and come on: what are they supposed to do, take the licensed crap seriously and do a proper review of what is obviously a bad game?

But then again, I really like the EGM/1UP stuff, as it's the only corporate game business that is staffed by enthusiastic and talented people. It's the best thing you can read short of reading Dtoid.
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 21:47
catsithx
I love egm always have. Yes it has gotten smaller but thats mostly due to the point that most of there stuff is online. Do I still get it and go online yes to both. Of course I go to detoid all the time for my gameing info. I never Seen a reason to stop getting Egm unless it's price jumps up to 7 dollars.
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 21:54
Shin Oni
I will say I miss those old 400 page thick EGMs. felt like I was paying that money for a reason. But overall, the smaller pages are fine too. Seeing they still give good reviews/articles/content in general. I could see if they shrunk in page numbers and still sucked but this isn't really the case.

and yes seanbaby's articles are always funny. Making a guy review an already shitty game somehow makes things funny. Especialy if the guy looks like some 80s punk rocker.
tehdopefish's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 22:05
tehdopefish
I remember reading EGM a decade ago when shoe was just another writer.

The problem is that print media is simply losing its market share to the series of tubes that we call home.
Crapsh00t's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 22:08
Crapsh00t
Many journalists make this humongous production out of being a martyr and taking the absolute moral high ground. Usually they're just hypocrites, and it's fairly cliched at this point.

Some of EGM's most recent podcasts really demonstrate this attitude.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 22:10
vexed alex
Video games are serious business.
Y0j1mb0's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 22:18
Y0j1mb0
EGM is garbage and I'm getting tired of Hsu's Look at me I'm different than everybody else world tour.

You honestly think EGM is on Par with Destructoid, Necros? Lay off the bong and grow a beard.
StolenName's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 22:20
StolenName
I just want video games journalists to be happier... they make me cry :(
monosylabik's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 22:43
monosylabik
blog sites like destructoid and kotaku are the reason why egm has gotten so emaciated lately.why rehash old info? and when egm tries to do something different (video games of the future and the battlestation cover) they are welcomed by extremely lackluster sales. its not gunna take people bitching and moaning about its small mags but people buying the magazine.support it if you dont want to see it go away. and stop with magazine scans thats another thing i wont go into.
Arugala9's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 22:43
Arugala9
Hell yeah!
ArrestedDeveloper's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 22:51
ArrestedDeveloper
meh, disagree. I think EGM calls themselves the #1 because they have the highest base of people that actually subscribe to the magazine. Game Informer comes with every discount membership to Gamestop which is probably 90% of their subscription base. If I hand out a porn magazine to everyone that shops at wal mart that doesn't make me the #1 porn magazine, Playboy would probably still be considered the #1 porn magazine, well that or Shemale Fiesta.

As far as length just about every magazine has done the same thing. I remember buying the PC Gamer magazine about Monkey Island 3 and it being hundreds of pages and now you're lucky if its 100. Would it be nice to have more, sure, I have no problem with that, even if 50 of the extra 100 pages are ads.

I know people like saying that printed media is a dying media but there is one reason that it will never die, the crapper. Sometimes I don't feel like playing my DS on the toilet, sometimes I don't want to commit to something like a book at the time, but I'm always up for reading a magazine. Magazines and the toilet are like peas and carrots.
Replica23's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 22:55
Replica23
EGM is more a victim to the changing face of the game industry and the heavy usage of sites such as this by the traditional gamer than anything else. Say what you will about Hsu but unless the internet explodes we'll never see a magazine like that again.

And "Hell yah!" I do miss the ink & paper publications of old.
ME4Twaffle's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 23:12
ME4Twaffle
Imma say HELL YAH.
Gil's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 23:20
Gil
HELL YAH x 1000 + 1.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 23:24
vexed alex
@ Y0j1mb0

People with opposing opinions to your own suck, don't they? Jesus. I'm so tired of people like that. It's like, stop. I'm an important person and you should all agree with me.
TheBrain's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 23:25
TheBrain
I really like the current format of EGM. I especially like the Afterthoughts section where they ask the makers of the biggest games from the previous month why they made some of the decisions they made. Why was Rock Band not very tough on Guitar? Why couldn't we use Mario's flying powerup in the game's levels? Why do the Mass Effect elevators take so long? Good stuff.
vexed alex's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 23:28
vexed alex
@ Arrested Developer

"I know people like saying that printed media is a dying media but there is one reason that it will never die, the crapper. Sometimes I don't feel like playing my DS on the toilet, sometimes I don't want to commit to something like a book at the time, but I'm always up for reading a magazine. Magazines and the toilet are like peas and carrots."

Amen. I just came from the bathroom with both Game Informer and EGM at hand. I chose to read EGM because I hadn't read the Shawn Baby segment and this story inspired me to.
FreePablo's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 23:33
FreePablo
I haven't read video game magazines in a long time, but I recently got a free subscription to EGM last month so I'm a subscriber for the first time in like 6-7 years. It's actually not that bad. Considering how easily the magazine could become completely irrelevant with the internet and their own 1up.com, it's pretty good.
Adridius's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 23:34
Adridius
I have been thinking for a while that EGM is getting thinner and wondering why it's still the #1 video game magazine. Do not get me wrong here, I LOVE EGM. I was collecting Electronic Gaming Monthly, EGM2, then when they turned into Xpert Gamer. I have the 100th issue. But, they have been getting thin and I REALLY dont want them to go under. I need to start back my subscription.
Orionsaint's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/16/2008 23:57
Orionsaint
I recently sold my old EGMs.



Here's the last photograph I took of them.


Oddly someone from Italy bought them for $85 dollars
DFS Vegas's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2008 00:11
DFS Vegas
So, on the one hand you criticize them for having Seanbaby's articles in the mag, then you criticize them for no longer living by a "let's have fun" mantra...

Which is it? You're sending mixed messages here.
JRisJunior's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2008 00:40
JRisJunior
hellz yea
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2008 00:41
Phoenix Gamma
Look out everyone; Y0j1mb0 the internet tough guy is coming through.
luvmysegadc's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2008 00:55
luvmysegadc
hell motherf'n yah!!!
BHACKNEY's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2008 01:01
BHACKNEY
Hells to the Yeah
Bob Muir's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2008 01:07
Bob Muir
Ouch...my pride.

Trickman Terry's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/17/2008 01:27
Trickman Terry
What happened to the EGM of old? The players changed, the staff changed, and multiple corporate buyouts later, you have what was once started by enthusiasts now being run by a holdings company. It's all about the benjamins, folks.

You will also never see a 400 page issue again because of the Internet, labor laws and advertisers not seeing print media as the viable source it once was.

But, what do I know? I'm just The Trickman.
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