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Economics or stupidity: 1UP podcast firings to save UGO $2.5 million annually? photo

I remember walking down the hall of the Los Angeles Convention Center as I watched a white glossy banner pass over my head with a logo I already knew all too well. I guess a lot of us tonight are having similar memories. Yours might include a favorite review or cover art. Maybe a podcast. I didn't even work there or know most of those guys that well, and I'm finding myself extremely nostalgic and in a fuss about it.

You know, I was going to let the whole 1UP buyout sink in overnight and hope to awaken with a yawny fat optimistic face. Instead, I'm anything short of restless. It's 4 AM and find myself bristling in my room in disbelief repeating the same words over and over in my head:

My favorite childhood gaming magazine is dead. Fuck.

Some of the most talented people in games media were fired today (or coincidentally quit, as Shane blogged it), as Ziff Davis folded the business to Hearst's wannabe-IGN, a polished me-too men's interest portal that once stood for "Underground Gaming Online" but has since lost its way. The CEO said that picking up 1UP would basically finally let them buy some personality, but they ironically fired most of it on day one, causing a ten-page Internet trainwreck in their announcement thread. Despite letting go key podcast production staff, Sam Kennedy told MTV that they're going to try to maintain some semblance of a media program:

Will we have as many shows as we have in the past? Probably not, but we have – we’ve had – a lot of ideas for future shows and we’re pretty excited about what we’ll do in the future. Right now, we’re going to go through the process of really figuring out what kind of shows and products we want to keep going in the future. Our intention is to keep as many going as we can.

Nevertheless, 30 good people were let go. While many are busy flaming UGO for being money-hungry pigs with no intentions, I began to ponder the economics of the firings and did a little (highly flawed) research to dig into how an incredibly stupid call like this might make any sense in the books. I dared to piss in the wind and found numbers that sound probable.

We all know that San Francisco is not a cheap town. 

According to salary aggregating service PayScale (who claims to have surveyed over 22,000 people), the median salary for seasoned Web Geeks is in the $50-80k range and upwards of $100k for director-level positions. Multiply that times 30, then add the cost of equipment and studio space, and you're easily looking at $2.5 million annually. That's a lot of ads to sell for free podcasts to break even. Unless money was being thrown at them by listeners, that team should have been disassembled a long time ago and put towards other, more profitable enterprises within 1UP. Common sense.

Thus, Ziff clearly ran the expensive operation in an attempt to win market share, but couldn't stay the course of their flawed economics. What podcast or magazine can ever hope to break even on on that kind of money in this economy? The media arm would have to do all the grunt work to turn a profit... and that's what UGO kept. Smart. Dickheaded, but smart. We knew they were gonna go. It was obviously a long time coming. And yet, it doesn't make any of this easy.

I'm now less upset at UGO for being lame and furious, and more upset that a reputable group of suits like Ziff Davis could be so bloated and mismanaged. No wonder they filed for bankrupcy. The unfortunate people whose talents could have been put to better use will be forced to move on -- hopefully with little difficulty, as many are household names to people involved in the industry. While scouring through the riot of fan outcry around the Web, one of our editors compiled a list of all of the rumored firings:

Yamaguchi, Marci
Cox, Simon
Convertito, Monique
Donahoe, Michael
Pinkham, Rosemary
Wilson, Jason
Bettenhausen, Shane
Ford, Greg
Gallegos, Anthony
Mielke, James
Bertrand, Jason
Bowen, Robert
Chandronait, Matt
Fitch, Andrew
Frechette, Justin
O'Donnell, Ryan
Pfister, Andrew
Quintero, Cesar
Scott, Ryan
Serrano, Rey
Varanini, Giancarlo
Frieg, Adrian
Garcia, Andrea
Gelfand, Leslie
Jaramillo, Jervilyn
Madu, Ndubuisi
Moran, Amy
Steel, CoyLou
Stowe, Meredith
Ubbelohde,  Tipler
Boothe, Norris
Chinn, Derek
Ellis, Eric
Ross, Tammy
Tong, May
Mishra, Amy
Parsons, Doug
Rosa, Christina
Suttner, Nick
Kollar, Philip

Unbelievable.

If I can feign any optimism at this hour, I can say that where there is crisis, there is hope. Everyone at Destructoid wishes those guys the best. I strongly recommend fans to download the old podcast episodes before uncle UGO yanks them.

Despite the gloom and doom, I'd like to remind everyone (and try to make myself believe it this time so I can go to bed) that we all thought 1UP was going to suck ass and die years ago when Ziff Davis picked it up, and they instead produced a better product in the end. Sam Kennedy will still be at the masthead. UGO is sitting on a mountain of old money and people that appear to have the basic understanding of a calculator. This could provide a more stable future for 1UP despite the chopped heads. That's really the best I can muster to say.

Tonight has also forced me to look at our own economics.

As a micro-publisher of a smaller site, it makes me wonder what I could possibly do to prevent a similar fate down the line. This makes every challenge and drama I've faced at Destructoid seem a little petty in scale. I hope everyone who operates a gaming Web site -- or does anything for the love or enthusiasm of it -- takes a good, hard look at how one of the most loved legacy brands spun out of control and let its overhead walk it out the door. I can't stress enough how important it is to remain independent for as long as your frail little brain can bear to protect your readers from completely losing the things they've come to love.  

And there it is. I know what's finally keeping me up. I'm afraid it might someday happen to Destructoid, too. Hey kids, turn off those ad blockers, won't ya?

*Knocks on wood, calls it a night*


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Cowzilla3's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 08:10
Cowzilla3
Totally agree. And Dtoid will never fall, that's just crazy talk. It's like the Roman Empire...oh wait. It's like a mountain, a big not moving mountain.
Anviltongue's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 08:10
Anviltongue
I listen to 4 gaming podcasts (Podtoid, RetroforceGo, GiantBombcast and 1Up). Sadly, I'm now down to 3.

Podtoid represents the resistance. RetroforceGo is my own mini-nostalgia trip. 1Up was my corporate perspective podcast. Giantbombcast...well, I'm not quite sure what niche they fill, but I enjoy them immensely.

Goodbye, 1UP. I raise my morning coffee to you and hope you all find a new home soon.
Touch's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 08:10
Touch
There were 3 gaming sites whose podcasts I used to listen to regularly: Dtoid, 1up and Game Theory. Dtoid is the last man standing, so now Podtoid, RFGO and Podcastle are more important than ever.

One of the things which sets this site apart is the provision of (often excellent) free content from the userbase - stick to this model and we should be on the right track. With this in mind, I am inspried to write my first Monthly Musings this month. Long live Dtoid!

Oh, and UK-ers, you can bet that Edge is currently facing a similar struggle for its own existence, as are most UK mags which don't feature celebrity gossip......
Bioautographical's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 08:17
Bioautographical
Also, dprime is absolutely right. You cannot discount the business dynamics at play. Yes, it sucks out loud, which cold hard numbers often do - but while you're looking at them as "heartless", that's them doing their jobs.

And if you're going to hate someone, I have to agree with those crucifying Ziff Davis. Niero is 100% spot-on about that; consumers do matter, yes, but it also matters how you handle the bits behind the scenes. If you're losing money on something and take absolutely no steps to fix it, and are spending more than you're bringing in, you're going to tank. And I'm willing to bet my shirt that Ziff Davis sold for quite a bit more than what's needed to cover his debt, meaning he's walking away with a pretty swanky last piece of pie, while everyone on that list is walking to the unemployment line. He could've laid off just a few of them, cut costs, and tried to keep it going. Instead, he sold.

So if you're going to harpoon someone, I'd think Davis should be the first on the list. Even though the economy IS pretty bad and there's nothing to be done about it, strong companies with wise leadership don't often have such catastrophic problems when the shit hits the fan.
Solgrim's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 08:34
Solgrim
F'ing sucks.
Phoenix Gamma's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 08:41
Phoenix Gamma
Shane's huge. Milkman, too.

But really, EGM's been going downhill for me. I picked it up at newsstands now and then, but they stopped doing 3-man reviews for anything that wasn't a major title, and then they went and gave some weird scores, like an A for WiiMusic. Did DToid even review WiiMusic? I can't remember, but probably not.

Throw in old news stories that I read a month ago on Dtoid, and there's little reason for me to keep buying, save for an article or two.

1up.com was pretty crappy, too. The whole Myspace-meets-games thing felt kinda bloated to me, navigating the site was a pain in the ass, and the only time I visited was Fridays to download two podcasts and the 1up Show. I love the uttershit out of the 1Up show (and to a lesser extent, the podcasts), but I don't feel bad about 1up being bought and EGM ending.

I definitely feel bad about the people being fired/leaving, though. Some of them were pretty annoying, but for every person on staff that rubbed me the wrong way, there was someone that I really, really liked. I seriously hope they can find work.
Grimhound's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 08:50
Grimhound
Saves them $2.5m, but the backlash will likely rip them a new arsehole. ;D
JamnOnTheOne's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 08:55
JamnOnTheOne
"the median salary for seasoned Web Geeks is in the $50-80k range and upwards of $100k for director-level positions. Multiply that times 30, then add the cost of equipment and studio space, and you're easily looking at $2.5 million annually."

You're not even counting health insurance, dental insurance, 401K match, etc.

I'm surprised that those people were earning so little such that it only totals such a small amount of money. 30 people totaling 2.5 million? That's chump change.
Freekdeman's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 09:08
Freekdeman
Kapitalism sucks, find me another system that works, and i`m with you. I clicked the banners and cursed UGO.

Dont UGO mad. UGO away!
Hitogoroshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 09:47
Hitogoroshi
Damn. :( 1up yours was really good
MrFwankie's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 10:41
MrFwankie
I wouldn't be surprised if some of those guys/gals head over to Giant Bomb. They did a few collaborative podcasts recently that demonstrated a great rapport between the teams.
Son of BaconSandwhich's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 11:58
Son of BaconSandwhich
Sigh..this is rather upsetting.

I just hope, like Shane said, gets on there feet and continue to kick ass for a very long time.
Bioautographical's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 12:03
Bioautographical
@MotoRobo

Wut
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 12:09
mix
Have a contest to see which Dtoider can click on the most ads in a weeks period or something....lol

Or have like a "L337" group for like $5 a year and you get some stickers and entry into some super sexy draw or something...

As long as we continue to check dtoib 500 times a day, it'll be aight!
naia-the-gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 13:33
naia-the-gamer
I can understand that businesses need to make money to keep themselves afloat. Even a site like this needs money, Niero needs money to buy games like the rest of us. However I never understood why businesses can't factor part of their budget for things like catering to their consumers. Was laying off all those people really going to save them so much money or is this a case of the CEO wanting another ivory back-scratcher?

It saddens me that with larger corporations there never seems to be the balance between giving the illusion of caring and still succeeding financially.

This whole thing is really tragic, and I'm glad to know I can count on this place sticking to its guns.
Holyetheline's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 13:36
Holyetheline
I love you. Ad blocker is off. =)
Ragewaar's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 14:00
Ragewaar
Destructoid = White listed for Adblock

And i'm with mix, i'll click ads till my fingers bleed to keep this damn site alive!
NihonTiger90's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 14:11
NihonTiger90
Never blocked ads from this site. Never will.
trunxkam45's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 14:44
trunxkam45
This makes me so mad. 1up had the only features that I enjoyed reading.
dprime's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 17:42
dprime
Haha Motorobo is actually on to something.

Government manipulation of the credit system is what caused the economic downfall, as economists know, not the generic evil business morguls the media is showing us. So taking the economic downfall as one root of this: blame Alan Greenspan for betraying his free market ideology if you're pissed off about this ^^
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 17:49
Monodi
Only found the MMO ad at the right column. Why aren't the others loading?
jediyoshi's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/07/2009 18:03
jediyoshi
The fact I recognize almost every single name on that last makes me a sad panda.
sleepingagain's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/08/2009 02:29
sleepingagain
<3

im going to go buy another tshirt now from you guys... or 5
Altered Beets's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2009 11:25
Altered Beets
The thing is, how long can a system exist that relies on people's willingness to voluntarily inconvenience themselves and pay money when they could get it for free?

It can't last forever, and a change is coming, you can be certain of that.
DR EGG's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/11/2009 17:08
DR EGG
I think this move may have sounded better on paper.




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