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Meh. Some games are worth $60, and some aren't. I've gotten way more than $60 worth of entertainment out of many. I don't have a problem with paying a lump sum up-front for a worthy game.
Free to play for the sake of it is also stupid.
Idea! Price games according to popularity. Highly anticipated sequels like Modern Warfare Future Soldier Kill Bad Guy X should be priced at $80-$100, while new IP's should be priced at $20-$30 and only mid range fairly popular games should be priced at $60.
The PC is at the forefront of implementing proper pricing, largely due to digital distribution sales and the massive number of indie and small developers who understand how to price their games (Magicka is STILL selling at $9.99). Digital distribution, unlike retail, allows games to sell for much longer and lowering price causes a much greater increase in profits, so it's beneficial to stray away from standard prices.
We're seeing the upping of prices with many supposedly popular PC titles, although this is mostly bad implementation as publishers instantly assume that if it's marketed for console and ported to PC that PC gamers will shell out $60 for it even though it's not built for PC's. The only developers that can justify a $60 on PC are Blizzard and Valve.
Consoles still lag behind, but I'm sure we'll get digital sales in the future and console gamers and journalists will hail the revolution of digital distribution as Xbox Live 2 and PSN 2 start to actually compete while ignoring that Steam did it 5+ years earlier.
Idea! Price games according to popularity. Highly anticipated sequels like Modern Warfare Future Soldier Kill Bad Guy X should be priced at $80-$100, while new IP's should be priced at $20-$30 and only mid range fairly popular games should be priced at $60.
The PC is at the forefront of implementing proper pricing, largely due to digital distribution sales and the massive number of indie and small developers who understand how to price their games (Magicka is STILL selling at $9.99). Digital distribution, unlike retail, allows games to sell for much longer and lowering price causes a much greater increase in profits, so it's beneficial to stray away from standard prices.
We're seeing the upping of prices with many supposedly popular PC titles, although this is mostly bad implementation as publishers instantly assume that if it's marketed for console and ported to PC that PC gamers will shell out $60 for it even though it's not built for PC's. The only developers that can justify a $60 on PC are Blizzard and Valve.
Consoles still lag behind, but I'm sure we'll get digital sales in the future and console gamers and journalists will hail the revolution of digital distribution as Xbox Live 2 and PSN 2 start to actually compete while ignoring that Steam did it 5+ years earlier.
Yah 60 dollars a game is way too much that's why I decided to get gamefly for like 20 bucks a month I get to play a bunch of games I never would buy and go through my backlog of games I wanted to play.
If I had to choose between $60 for a full retail game or the free-to-play model, I'd choose the retail. I'd rather own a complete product than piece one together.
That said, I think $60 is fine. I just live perpetually 3 months behind released games and buy them for $20-40. People who want to spend $60 on day one can have at it.
That said, I think $60 is fine. I just live perpetually 3 months behind released games and buy them for $20-40. People who want to spend $60 on day one can have at it.
If I can get more than 10 hours of gameplay from it then I'm fine with dropping 60. It still works out cheaper than seeing a movie especially if its a game my fiance wants to play too. Anything else can get gamefly'd. I feel like the free-to-play model is just going to de-evolve the quality of games.
@Astalano
My first reaction to you saying that modern warfare should be $80 to $100 was "Shut the fuck up, troll."
But then I realized that we can only hope that Bobby Kotick gets greedy and arrogant enough go try that price out. The glorious death of that shit series would come swiftly. games shouldnt be $60 unless you're getting 80+ hours or high replay value. If it's an FPS Roller coaster that focuses on online play, charge $40 and keep the gay online pass shit going. But $60 is just greedy when some of the games that come out are bargin bin material on release day.
My first reaction to you saying that modern warfare should be $80 to $100 was "Shut the fuck up, troll."
But then I realized that we can only hope that Bobby Kotick gets greedy and arrogant enough go try that price out. The glorious death of that shit series would come swiftly. games shouldnt be $60 unless you're getting 80+ hours or high replay value. If it's an FPS Roller coaster that focuses on online play, charge $40 and keep the gay online pass shit going. But $60 is just greedy when some of the games that come out are bargin bin material on release day.
I have no problem with $60 retail games. If I don't feel they're going to be worth it, I don't buy, or I wait for the price to drop.
I've been paying $50-$70 for games since the NES days. The fact that games are still in that price range despite the staggering increase in development costs is pretty incredible.
I've been paying $50-$70 for games since the NES days. The fact that games are still in that price range despite the staggering increase in development costs is pretty incredible.
@ShotgunDiplom4t
Well, people over in Europe already pay $100 so I dunno what your problem is with the price.
Also, if it is priced up, then it will encourage smaller developers to drop their own price to compete, which works best for everyone in the long run. The idiots will still buy their Call of Duty because they only buy 2 games a year (Call of Duty and Halo) so $100 isn't that much for them.
Well, people over in Europe already pay $100 so I dunno what your problem is with the price.
Also, if it is priced up, then it will encourage smaller developers to drop their own price to compete, which works best for everyone in the long run. The idiots will still buy their Call of Duty because they only buy 2 games a year (Call of Duty and Halo) so $100 isn't that much for them.
60$ + tax is too expensive for games. That's why I don't buy new games on release unless I really want the game. Otherwise I wait a few months for the game to drop in price.
Ben Cousens must think we are all idiots. When I buy a game I know damn well how much it costs as do we all.
Games aren't a necessity. We don't need them. Gaming is a hobby and we know the price attached. I fail to see how that's in any way exploitative.
Games aren't a necessity. We don't need them. Gaming is a hobby and we know the price attached. I fail to see how that's in any way exploitative.
If you make a new IP or try something new it's a good thing when you price it under 30$. I hope publishers will realize that and stops milking sequels.
As for the price itself. I'm okay with 60$ games when they are good. When I think of Starcraft2, oh god, I got sooo many hours of pure gameplay out of it. But then there are titles like Mirror's Edge where I paid 70 euros for the PS3 version and was finished within 4 hours. That made me sooo pissed. 30$ on the other hand would be pretty okay and I guess more people would have ended up picking it up.
As for the price itself. I'm okay with 60$ games when they are good. When I think of Starcraft2, oh god, I got sooo many hours of pure gameplay out of it. But then there are titles like Mirror's Edge where I paid 70 euros for the PS3 version and was finished within 4 hours. That made me sooo pissed. 30$ on the other hand would be pretty okay and I guess more people would have ended up picking it up.
Haha, here in Argentina, original games costs $125 (and the dollar is expensive here.) Wonder why piracy is so rampant here...
i never pay 60 quid for a game. i got lost planet 2 last week for 6.49 euro from play.com. i dont want to come across as a spammer, and i sure as shit dont work for em but they have a sale on at the mo. pal games only sorry america. i just got the sega ultimate collection for 12 quid, WIN!
www.play.com, then just click games.
www.play.com, then just click games.
I really want a staggared price system for games.
Latest CoD game? Sure charge the full £40. people will buy it.
Uncharted, Killzone, Halo, Gears - sure £40 why not.
But Naughty Bear?, The latest Annual sports game, the Mirror's Edge, the Alpha Protocol? Fuck no - that should be like at least 25% less.
then there are the movie tie in games and the kids shit - that should really be £20.
this whole ALL GAMES COST THE SAME AT LAUNCH system is completely fucking wrong.
Latest CoD game? Sure charge the full £40. people will buy it.
Uncharted, Killzone, Halo, Gears - sure £40 why not.
But Naughty Bear?, The latest Annual sports game, the Mirror's Edge, the Alpha Protocol? Fuck no - that should be like at least 25% less.
then there are the movie tie in games and the kids shit - that should really be £20.
this whole ALL GAMES COST THE SAME AT LAUNCH system is completely fucking wrong.
Some Suggestions for people who don't like paying full price:
1)Wait till it's on Amazon.com for cheaper.
2) Get Gamefly and rent...if you like then keep for cheap.
3)Used games~! Who care if someone played it before you o__o it's still the game game.
4)STEAM~! If you are a PC gamer steam is your best friend DISCOUNTS AND BOUNUSES GALORE :) unless you mind Steam DRM but that's not even that bad...cause there is offline mode.
5)G.O.G If your a fan of old games you shall love THIS O_O and it's DRM Free download and play them whenever you want...no need to install anything else. :~}
1)Wait till it's on Amazon.com for cheaper.
2) Get Gamefly and rent...if you like then keep for cheap.
3)Used games~! Who care if someone played it before you o__o it's still the game game.
4)STEAM~! If you are a PC gamer steam is your best friend DISCOUNTS AND BOUNUSES GALORE :) unless you mind Steam DRM but that's not even that bad...cause there is offline mode.
5)G.O.G If your a fan of old games you shall love THIS O_O and it's DRM Free download and play them whenever you want...no need to install anything else. :~}
Boo hoo, you have to pay $60 for games. Try paying 100-125 for a new release, then you have reason to cry.
It's a lot of money. I don't think anyone argues that. I'm actually not even sure if that price point is sustainable though. Why do you think we have day-one DLC, overpriced map packs, huge special editions, in-game preorder bonuses and locked-out multiplayer content? Games are expensive to develop, especially the bigger ones. I think the problem is more on the audience than the developers/publishers. Everyone clamors for more things or to make something bigger, and that is expensive. It requires teams of hundreds of people. And the publishers know $60 a game is already a lot for most people, so they look for other ways to make money or ensure a sale with minimal investment.
I think developers need to scale back their games. I know that's probably not a popular sentiment considering "mosre stuff" equates to a better game for much of today's audience, but do I really need to wander an enormous fucking desert in Red Dead? Or have a million asinine conversations that don't go anywhere in Mass Effect? I can understand the appeal, but when the result is a padded game and a higher price tag, I'm not convinced it's a good idea. Reel in game scope, lower the price a bit. That's my take.
I think developers need to scale back their games. I know that's probably not a popular sentiment considering "mosre stuff" equates to a better game for much of today's audience, but do I really need to wander an enormous fucking desert in Red Dead? Or have a million asinine conversations that don't go anywhere in Mass Effect? I can understand the appeal, but when the result is a padded game and a higher price tag, I'm not convinced it's a good idea. Reel in game scope, lower the price a bit. That's my take.
I often payed $40 to $60 for Dreamcast games years ago, so from my perspective game prices haven't really inflated as much as other forms of entertainment. I also think that some games are easily worth the $60 (especially if there are dedicate online servers and the devs service the game by updating with patches to get rid of glitches/cheats, etc.) I got several hundred hours from Oblivion, Killzone 2, Warhawk and over 1000 hours from MAG - so I certainly can't regret the $60.00 price tag on those games.
I think we're also really lucky to have the online options of PSN and XBL with their lower priced gems. I loved Deathspank and think it was priced perfectly.
That being said, I do think some games would do better at the $40.00 price point if the content isn't there (or if the online is sub-par).
I think we're also really lucky to have the online options of PSN and XBL with their lower priced gems. I loved Deathspank and think it was priced perfectly.
That being said, I do think some games would do better at the $40.00 price point if the content isn't there (or if the online is sub-par).
@Astalano
Get out. You pay $100 for games? Im sorry if that doesn't bother you, but it doesn't sit well with me. While you're definitely getting the short end of the stick, no video game should be priced that high. My problem is that the corporate side of the gaming industry is squeezing money out of people for increasingly shitty games.
Get out. You pay $100 for games? Im sorry if that doesn't bother you, but it doesn't sit well with me. While you're definitely getting the short end of the stick, no video game should be priced that high. My problem is that the corporate side of the gaming industry is squeezing money out of people for increasingly shitty games.
It is really hard to group all modern console games in to a certain price-point. Like many others have said, some aren't remotely close to being worth sixty dollars, while others have gotten way more out of a game then what they've paid. In the end, I think I'd rather pay an up-front lump sum as well, as opposed to being nickle and dimed to death, and piecing the game together jeopardizing the intended experience the developer sought after.
On another note, these studio-heads love just blurting things out anymore thinking they single-handedly know what's best for every franchise and gamer. It's extremely easy (no pun intended) for Easy Studios to say games should be free-to-play when Electronic Arts is bankrolling your entire business model. I'd love to hear him say that as an independent developer.
On another note, these studio-heads love just blurting things out anymore thinking they single-handedly know what's best for every franchise and gamer. It's extremely easy (no pun intended) for Easy Studios to say games should be free-to-play when Electronic Arts is bankrolling your entire business model. I'd love to hear him say that as an independent developer.
It is really hard to group all modern console games in to a certain price-point. Like many others have said, some aren't remotely close to being worth sixty dollars, while others have gotten way more out of a game then what they've paid. In the end, I think I'd rather pay an up-front lump sum as well, as opposed to being nickle and dimed to death, and piecing the game together jeopardizing the intended experience the developer sought after.
On another note, these studio-heads love just blurting things out anymore thinking they single-handedly know what's best for every franchise and gamer. It's extremely easy (no pun intended) for Easy Studios to say games should be free-to-play when Electronic Arts is bankrolling your entire business model. I'd love to hear him say that as an independent developer.
On another note, these studio-heads love just blurting things out anymore thinking they single-handedly know what's best for every franchise and gamer. It's extremely easy (no pun intended) for Easy Studios to say games should be free-to-play when Electronic Arts is bankrolling your entire business model. I'd love to hear him say that as an independent developer.
Games have been 50+ since I was a wee lad. Besides I only buy day one if I'm sure about it (played a demo) or just too damn excited (from trailers and word of mouth). .
Games have been $50-60 for quite a long time, in spite of recession, in spite of much higher costs of developement.
Frankly, we should be thankful they haven't gone up more. $60 is not so bad, good grief people, you can pay $20 just to see a 1 and a half hour movie with a friend. If the game is good, you'll get way more value for your money.
A big issue with a AAA title, especially if it has multiplayer, would be fair play. What if paying players had better equipment in a shooter? Hell no.
Get a freakin' job, shop smart for deals, or just shutup. I don't make a lot money myself right (school,) but even so I still buy games when I can by shopping smart. It seems like every new game goes on a big sale near release. You dont even need to pay $60.
Frankly, we should be thankful they haven't gone up more. $60 is not so bad, good grief people, you can pay $20 just to see a 1 and a half hour movie with a friend. If the game is good, you'll get way more value for your money.
A big issue with a AAA title, especially if it has multiplayer, would be fair play. What if paying players had better equipment in a shooter? Hell no.
Get a freakin' job, shop smart for deals, or just shutup. I don't make a lot money myself right (school,) but even so I still buy games when I can by shopping smart. It seems like every new game goes on a big sale near release. You dont even need to pay $60.
We as gamers should prove that $40 new releases can sell just as well by buying EARTH DEFENSE FORCE INSECT ARMAGEDDON. That's $40 as a new release dont believe me look it up even the devs said $40 eff 2017 was $20 when it released
There are 2 ways to get people to play games. Make them fun, and make them addictive. Unfortunately addictive games don't have to be fun. And unfortunately, most free to play games would much rather be addictive than fun. If they were fun, then people would play them, get bored, and move on. Instead free to play games have all of these MMOs and farm building which prey on people's primal urges to constantly be rewarded for doing work, and to constantly be get better and better. When it's all done, you look back and realize you spent 200 hours of your life, and 300 dollars on virtual cows, and ask yourself why you did it.
I'll stick with 60 dollar games (even though they should really be cheaper)
I'll stick with 60 dollar games (even though they should really be cheaper)
i like how everyone's complaining that $60 is to much for a full priced game .. in American over here in Australia our dollars either worth the same as yours or slightly below it for the past couple of years... Yet were still paying $100 for brand new games over here.. and retailers of Australia wonder why there going out of business because you can get the same game with minimal effort for 40% off from somewhere like steam or order over a copy from anywhere in the world, Lower the price of Australian games to $60 then well talk about whats fair and unfair!
Sixty dollars is way too much for my blood (and no, I don't pay 20 bucks to see a movie either). I would never buy a game at $100. These days, I rarely buy games when they come out. I wait about a year or so when the price drops to my sweet spot between 20-30. In the case of games like Fallout, I'll just wait until the game of the year edition drops as well. Steam is pretty awesome with their sales so sometimes I grab from them as well. But most of these days, I'm playing minecraft which for me is a better value than most of the games I bought last year.
i like how everyone's complaining that $60 is to much for a full priced game .. in American over here in Australia our dollars either worth the same as yours or slightly below it for the past couple of years... Yet were still paying $100 for brand new games over here.. and retailers of Australia wonder why there going out of business because you can get the same game with minimal effort for 40% off from somewhere like steam or order over a copy from anywhere in the world, Lower the price of Australian games to $60 then well talk about whats fair and unfair!
What a fool. Video games have been in the $50 range since the late 80s. I remember paying $50 for Ultima IV on the AMIGA. Games are a bargain today by comparison. Keep your lame MMOs, I want traditional games.
When games release at the $39.99 point (Borderlands, 3D Dot Heroes) I usually buy them without too much thought.
I was going to wait to purchase Borderlands but when I saw it for that $40 I just picked it up.
Some games are worth more than others but that is very subjective as I will spend $60 for Battlefield 3 but my buddy who loves RPGS and RTS games probably wouldn't pick it up at the $40 range.
I was going to wait to purchase Borderlands but when I saw it for that $40 I just picked it up.
Some games are worth more than others but that is very subjective as I will spend $60 for Battlefield 3 but my buddy who loves RPGS and RTS games probably wouldn't pick it up at the $40 range.
Most people realized that already. Thats why used game sales are such a big business. Yeah, saving $1 to $5 a purchase doesn't sound like much but it adds up if you buy more than 10 games a year.
If you honestly think all free to play games are crap then you need to take a look at League of Legends. That game is pure gold.
I remember paying 80 bucks (well my parents did) for Street Fighter 2 at Toys R' Us on the SNES when it was released...I'll never forget that because it was significantly higher then the rest of the games strictly because it was SF2 and that was how many years ago?
The price for games hasn't changed much in the grand scheme of things.
The price for games hasn't changed much in the grand scheme of things.
Yeah, and I'm sure that tomorrow, the nearby pizza place will change to a free-to-eat model, and I'll make micro-payments if I want pepperoni...
What the fuck is exploitative about actually paying people for a product that they worked hard to make?
What the fuck is exploitative about actually paying people for a product that they worked hard to make?
@ Sexual Chocolate
I totally agree. A progressive price model that reflects the developement cost and market for each game would make sense for publishers. Range their products from $10 - $60 based on those factors and not only would sales increase across the board, but the used game market that these publishers abhor would also be diminished. Midway attempted something like this when they released NARC fo the PS2, GC, & Xbox. It came out for $19.99 I believe, which prompted me to buy this otherwise lackluster game. And guess what? I had a little fun with it. Totally worth the $20. I wonder how it's sales were...
I totally agree. A progressive price model that reflects the developement cost and market for each game would make sense for publishers. Range their products from $10 - $60 based on those factors and not only would sales increase across the board, but the used game market that these publishers abhor would also be diminished. Midway attempted something like this when they released NARC fo the PS2, GC, & Xbox. It came out for $19.99 I believe, which prompted me to buy this otherwise lackluster game. And guess what? I had a little fun with it. Totally worth the $20. I wonder how it's sales were...
I paid like 80 new retail for Chrono Trigger. 12 or so years ago. As far as I'm concerned some things have gotten cheaper.
Building something that turns players into addicts is more exploitative, then giving them the ability to use all their money on it is even worse.
I would rather pay up front, get a quality narrative story with a beginning middle and end that has me gripped for the time I play it, then able to let it go, instead of being a prisoner to something like Farmville (or WOW for that matter).
I would rather pay up front, get a quality narrative story with a beginning middle and end that has me gripped for the time I play it, then able to let it go, instead of being a prisoner to something like Farmville (or WOW for that matter).
@Dr Online
I just checked the release date for Street Fighter 2...it was in like July of '92 almost 20 years ago! And it was 80 bucks!!!
I just checked the release date for Street Fighter 2...it was in like July of '92 almost 20 years ago! And it was 80 bucks!!!
here in argentina, a 60 dollar price tag is absolutely prohibitive. I have to limit my legal purchases to those in between the 15/40 dollar prices.
Thank god for 4packs and steam sales.
Thank god for 4packs and steam sales.
@NotoriousBIG420, @Dr Online, etc
EXACTLY. Games cost a shit ton more to make and are for the most part cheaper than they used to be.
EXACTLY. Games cost a shit ton more to make and are for the most part cheaper than they used to be.
@NotoriousBIG420, @Dr Online, @jawshoeuh
I paid $80 for SSF2 & Chrono Trigger as well! Same with alot of N64 games, like Turok 2. Thing is, those were all expensive cartridges that had huge ROMS (for the time) in them. All of the games mentioned were the biggest carts out at the time. Today, with cheap optical media, the cost of production is far less. While I agree that alot of games are a bargain at $60, I still think (as does Sexual Chocolate) that a progressive retail system makes the most sense. Particulary in today's market with a large discrepancy between a small budget title and a AAA multi-million dollar title. I think alot of titles would be able to shine in the mid-market with that type of price structure. Also, isn't that how 2K Sports became the only serious competitor to EA Sports? They use to sell for $30 and were just as good EA's games... it was a great way to get there products sold and noticed against a huge sports game monopoly.
I paid $80 for SSF2 & Chrono Trigger as well! Same with alot of N64 games, like Turok 2. Thing is, those were all expensive cartridges that had huge ROMS (for the time) in them. All of the games mentioned were the biggest carts out at the time. Today, with cheap optical media, the cost of production is far less. While I agree that alot of games are a bargain at $60, I still think (as does Sexual Chocolate) that a progressive retail system makes the most sense. Particulary in today's market with a large discrepancy between a small budget title and a AAA multi-million dollar title. I think alot of titles would be able to shine in the mid-market with that type of price structure. Also, isn't that how 2K Sports became the only serious competitor to EA Sports? They use to sell for $30 and were just as good EA's games... it was a great way to get there products sold and noticed against a huge sports game monopoly.
well some games are worth the $60 bucks(MGS4,Uncharted 2,Demon's Souls and fighting games to name a few) but others not soo much.
still i hope the price won't increase in the next generation, but then again, i won't be surprised if it did O_O
still i hope the price won't increase in the next generation, but then again, i won't be surprised if it did O_O
The free-to-play model isn't any less "exploitative" to me as the cash-up-front model. I have tried to get into various free-to-play games but to be honest I can't get into them. My biggest problem with that model is that basicly you get to play a demo indefenitly, unless you spend *eventually more then a retail game costs* money on it.
In canada we have a lot of games that are 69 $ wich is 70 american tomato ! I kind of agree with him. A game like Mortal Kombat will be release at 69$ here !
You know I never thought $60 dollars was a lot for a game until I was introduced to the internet, and people are constantly bitching about prices, there's a reason people, for example, it took GTA IV over 100 million to make, they are not gonna sell that for 40 bucks, also don't have a have a hobby you can't afford. But do take advantage of steam and amazon, amazon with its 20 dollar credit for pre-ordering just about any fuking video game, and steam for it's constant deals.
Just wait a week or two and buy it online. Hell, Knight's Contract fell to around $30 in less time than that.
@Sid of Bee
I might be wrong but if I remember correctly 2K games sold the football games for 20 bucks not 30.
I might be wrong but if I remember correctly 2K games sold the football games for 20 bucks not 30.
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