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EA using First Amendment to keep helicopters in BF3 photo

Electronic Arts has filed a preemptive lawsuit against aircraft manufacturer Textron, hoping to invoke First Amendment laws and justify the use of real-life helicopters in Battlefield 3

Three helicopters appear in the game -- the AH-1Z Viper, UH-1Y, and V-22 Osprey -- none of which were licensed by Textron's subsidiary Bell. EA was in talks with Textron to reach a resolution, but those talks broke down. The game publisher feels it shouldn't have to seek a license to use the likenesses of the vehicles, citing fair use. 

Electronic Arts hopes to exploit last year's official ruling that videogames were protected by free speech laws. It has succeeded in the past, getting away with using college football players' likenesses without permission. EA asserts that the appearance of the vehicles do not constitute an endorsement by the maker, and that the helicopters are given no greater prominence than any other in-game vehicle, appearing simply for realism's sake. 

I always love seeing big publishers in these lawsuits, knowing how quickly they'd jump on the other side of the argument if it was their property being used. Of course, I admit my respect for free speech in games has been soured lately, given the hypocrites who won the ruling. Ah, sweet cynicism. 

EA Invokes First Amendment Protection for Video Games in Trademark Dispute with Helicopter Maker [Kotaku]








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PhilK3nS3bb3n's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:06
PhilK3nS3bb3n
Like they can't pay for the license? Or they couldn't have made generic likenesses? Fucking EA.
siddartha85's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:07
siddartha85
This is nonsense. Every flight game gets those licenses. How is a commercial product making tons of money for admission "fair use"?
MrFloppyknickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:09
MrFloppyknickers
Ah because battlefield is all about realism. I remember that the next time I see some eject from a Tomcat, which is flying straight up, shoot another pursuing tomcat down with rocket launcher, then climb back in the plane and keep flying. Ah realism.

Still I dont get the issue of licensing here. Do they feel EA is taking money from them because if helicopters weren't in the game your average gamer would be out buying one instead? What's their beef?
jorbams's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:14
jorbams
Crack Baby Basketball. That is all.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:17
Chris Carter
@Jor
Good episode.
ThePussyTamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:17
ThePussyTamer
So I guess any publisher making a football game could use the likeness of NFL teams and players without permission so the game would be more realistic. The first amendment ladies and gentleman.
qlum's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:22
qlum
I still dont see why you need to pay some company just to be true to reality. I hope EA wins this as this could mean that its easier to use real life objects in games for any developer.
nfm1337's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:24
nfm1337
I'm allright with this. If you're portraying something then I don't see how it makes sense to not include stuff naturally occurring within that something. If I wrote a book called "the Second World War II - them Krauts up to no good again", then Spitfire planes and Adolf Hitlers and all sort of crazy stuff would appear in that book.
VolksONER's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:24
VolksONER
It's not like textron needs the money from this. Weapons contracts are in the billions. That's in taxpayers dollars by the way.
OneRed's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:25
OneRed
Isn't EA the same publisher who shat all over Forza when they wanted to be prissy pricks over their Porsche licensing? And if Forza had recreated Porsches to the letter and just renamed them Dorsche, EA wouldn't have had an issue with that, right?
UltorOscariot's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:26
UltorOscariot
Does this mean Turn-10 can put Porshe cars in Forza, also citing fair use despite EA's exclusivity agreement with Porshe? I think I know EA's answer to that..
Rammstein's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:27
Rammstein
I always wondered about those warnings at the beginning of every BF3 video "The depiction of any weapon or vehicle in the game does not indicate affiliation, sponsorship or endorsement by any weapon or vehicle manufacturer"

@MrFloppy: Don't hate on RendeZook.



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Sir Tobbii's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:31
Sir Tobbii
I just made this movie based on Alice: Madness Returns, that cool with you EA? Oh, it's not? Well I can sell it any way, HAHAHAHAHA!
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:32
Monodi
Using the fitst ammendment while having it hostage with SOPA support. Classy.
BrowneyeWinkin's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:32
BrowneyeWinkin
Fuck both these companys

*calls in airstrike*
SRirwinkill's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:45
SRirwinkill
How about fuck Textron gettin pissy about people using the likeness of something that they already help pay for? Textron isn't some innocent doe-eyed little company that is just trying to make ends meet, they are a total crony-company that makes ridiculous amounts of money from war. They get payed primarily with money taken from citizens through taxes, taxes that EA has presumably payed as well. On one hand, you get EA with less money to make BF3 better (some of the money they save will go into BF3, and anymore money for BF3 ain't a bad thing) and the other you get a crony-corporation that gets paid involuntarily (I didn't consent to my money being spent on war) not being able to double dip. EA might be dicks, but at least we can stop buying their product if they piss us off, which is exactly what millions of people do.
Aequitas's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:46
Aequitas
Did they not have to pay to license the real-world weapon names/likenesses from those manufacturers? I'm confused.
TheUberMensch1's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:46
TheUberMensch1
EA: Entrepenuing Assholes, Exciting Antics,
youngskeletor's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:47
youngskeletor
"FAIR USE ACT" - Ladies and gentlemen, we have another solid arguement against SOPA.

Also, EA can eat a bowl of dicks and take nice long shit for all I care.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:53
RenegadePanda
So from what I can logically gather from this article is one of two things.

a) EA got away with 'fair use' on everything but helicopters, or

b) EA got the licensing to everything else in the game except for helicopters.

Everything else in that game has some kind of license, right? Surely the jets and weapons and ground vehicles required a similar procedure. So which is it?
PhilK3nS3bb3n's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:53
PhilK3nS3bb3n
@sirirwonikill: true, but coming from ea it pisses me off. Mainly the hypocrisy
MrFloppyknickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 11:56
MrFloppyknickers
@rammstein oh I wasn't hating, that was some sweet thinking and skill on display. it just seemed to me EA was twisting the realism angle when such things can happen in BF3.
Scuffles's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 12:00
Scuffles
Oh god this is rich.

This is one of those instances where I actually almost hope SOPA passes and Textron uses it so shut EA the hell down. The irony would almost be worth the draconian nay Machiavellian bill becoming a law.
BomberJacket's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 12:04
BomberJacket
Why weren't you at MAGFest, Fat Tits? I wanted to yell things at you!

In all seriousness Jim, you really missed out this year. There was an Aliens beat-em-up cabinet at the arcade and it was one of the fairest, most innovative, and all-around BEST games I've ever played in the genre.
RaginDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 12:11
RaginDude
"fair use"

'nuff said.
Scuffles's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 12:15
Scuffles
@RaginDude

Yeah but the irony is palpable, how many times in the past has EA issued DMCA takedowns for things that clearly fell within the realm of "fair use".

I'm willing to bet its more than zero....
masterninja's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 12:23
masterninja
Man as much as I love Battlefield I am just shocked that a company involved in an attempt to limit freedom for others attempts to use that same freedom as it pleases...

Actually no im not shocked but as someone who has actually believed they changed since 2008 and Mirrors edge I dont anymore EA is back to being old EA so hope they fail!
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 12:25
mix
It's a fucking helicopter!

Will the bobcat industry join together and sure EA for the bobcat on Wake Island?
Raydeus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 12:28
Raydeus
EA yet again proving the pieces of trash they are.

They are trying to screw everyone with SOPA/PIPA while at the same time crying "Fair use" on something they made strictly for commercial purposes.

Burn in hell EA.
Ragnar Dragonfyre's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 12:33
Ragnar Dragonfyre
And the hypocrisy of SOPA is held upon high!

This is exactly what will happen to the Internet if SOPA passes.

I hope they lose and gamers at large slam EA for supporting legislature that will do to the Internet what Textron did to BF3. Maybe a little humble pie will make EA see the light.
FPS Baby Jesus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 12:52
FPS Baby Jesus
I'm not the biggest fan of EA, but I don't see how hoping they lose will benefit gamers. Before BF3 was released everyone talked about how much they had ”changed” in a good way. Now BF3, while still a good game, doesn't live up to hype, EA turns back into the bad guy. Would you rather support some jackasses who use your tax dollars for shit you most likely will never use regardless if you want to or not, or a company who releases shit you don't even have to buy. I'm not supporting neither to be honest.
Konnery's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 12:59
Konnery
well this just seems silly
Scuffles's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 13:02
Scuffles
Maybe EA and entities like the ESA would garner more respect/support if they didn't cry about essential freedoms and rights while near simultaneously truing to grind everyone elses essential freedoms and rights into dust.

Hell Textron has just as much right to expect to be paid for the likeness of its wares appearing in a game as (inserts soft drink/snackfood/Sports team/auto manufacturer of choice)

Would be interesting to see how peoples tunes would change (particularly sports fans) if EA had released an Unlicensed NFL game with the names and likeness of teams/players and sited "fair use" as the reason it didn't feel as it needed to be bothered with licensing.
tekbunny's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 13:14
tekbunny
Its like watching skeletor fight cobra commander; I'm not sure I know who I want to win.
Scuffles's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 13:25
Scuffles
@tekbunny

My money is on Megatron :P
tekbunny's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 13:36
tekbunny
@scuffles

I was gonna use him for that anology, but then quickly realized I would so want to see megatron crush cobra commander that it wasn't really a fair comparison.
Zephreus's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 13:41
Zephreus
In other news, Need for Speed just got way cheaper to publish... (should this go through...)

I think this has greater implications than bf3
UltorOscariot's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 13:42
UltorOscariot
Hey! I thought of another! Maybe we can get more NFL 2K games in spite of EA exclusivity agreement, because fair use! God knows we could use one after how shit the last Madden was.
lastdual's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 13:51
lastdual
As others have said, if EA gets away with this, then it only makes sense that other publishers should be allowed to use Porsches in their racing games despite EA's exclusive licensing agreement.

This the very company most infamous for using licensing to prevent competition, that now wants to sidestep having to license certain vehicles? What BS. EA wants to have their cake and eat it too. I hope Textron takes a nice, fair chunk of that BF3 money.
aaronf's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 13:59
aaronf
Any vehicles bought and paid for by US taxpayer dollars are public domain as far as I am concerned.
MonkeyKing1969's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 14:04
MonkeyKing1969
Soon selling the license to the likeness of the products will be big business in the arms industry because America sure as hell will not be buying any real helicopters.
VolksONER's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 14:15
VolksONER
aaronf: Any vehicles bought and paid for by US taxpayer dollars are public domain as far as I am concerned.

EXACTLY!!!
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 16:17
Syn
fuck you EA, I hope this bites your ignorant short-sightedness in the ass.
Router's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 16:19
Router
I don't see how "Because realism" falls under the protection of the fair use law.
Gwendolyn's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 16:26
Gwendolyn
Oh yeah now you want our First Amendment, hypocrites.
Fo0dNippl3's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/09/2012 17:50
Fo0dNippl3
If they win this, I wonder if it would set a precedent for other games with licensed vehicles. Mostly racing games, is what I'm thinking.

Given that, I can't imagine this'll fly.
Canadian Otaku Gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2012 08:44
Canadian Otaku Gamer
Remember, kids, when EA steals your shit and puts it in a game, that's freedom of expression. When you make a Let's Play of Mirror'a Edge, THAT'S FREAKING PIRACY AND YOU DESERVE TO WALK THE PLANK, YOU FILTHY, FILTHY PIRATE! ARR!

I guess when EA said they wanted to set the standard, they were referring to the double standard.
BoomingEchoes's Avatar - Comment posted on 01/10/2012 16:04
BoomingEchoes
Okay so like.. If EA wins (and I hope they don't) we do know this will set a precedent that game makers can just go ahead and put whatever cars they want in games without really having to go through very many channels or even paying. This could seriously piss off the Auto Industry if they're paying enough attention right now.

Subsequently, look at what EA's doing here. They're basically pirating the helicopters out from under this company to help themselves turn a buck. I don't remember which side EA's even on any more with the whole SOPA thing, but I can't imagine that doesn't make them look bad no matter which side they're on.
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