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Giving people incentives for buying new is one thing but witholding game features is another. Now I don't really play sports games but I'm not foolish enough to think it will stop at sports games, soon this will spread to all EA titles. Hell, it sort of has if you count Mass Effect 2.
@Samit
Thanks, the FAQ doesn't want to display right on my iPod.
That sounds ok then. I always buy new anyway.
Also I'm fighting an urge to double post this. :)
Thanks, the FAQ doesn't want to display right on my iPod.
That sounds ok then. I always buy new anyway.
Also I'm fighting an urge to double post this. :)
Coming Soon - Instead of being permanent these codes will only be good for limited amounts of time.
Instant subscription business model!
Instant subscription business model!
yup.
fuck you ea.
whatever happened to buying the full game? now you get 3 dlc map patches, patches to fix broken games and patches to play online.
what's next, 2+2=5? sorry, no razor blades.
fuck you ea.
whatever happened to buying the full game? now you get 3 dlc map patches, patches to fix broken games and patches to play online.
what's next, 2+2=5? sorry, no razor blades.
yup.
fuck you ea.
whatever happened to buying the full game? now you get 3 dlc map patches, patches to fix broken games and patches to play online.
what's next, 2+2=5? sorry, no razor blades.
fuck you ea.
whatever happened to buying the full game? now you get 3 dlc map patches, patches to fix broken games and patches to play online.
what's next, 2+2=5? sorry, no razor blades.
yup.
fuck you ea.
whatever happened to buying the full game? now you get 3 dlc map patches, patches to fix broken games and patches to play online.
what's next, 2+2=5? sorry, no razor blades.
fuck you ea.
whatever happened to buying the full game? now you get 3 dlc map patches, patches to fix broken games and patches to play online.
what's next, 2+2=5? sorry, no razor blades.
yup.
fuck you ea.
whatever happened to buying the full game? now you get 3 dlc map patches, patches to fix broken games and patches to play online.
what's next, 2+2=5? sorry, no razor blades.
fuck you ea.
whatever happened to buying the full game? now you get 3 dlc map patches, patches to fix broken games and patches to play online.
what's next, 2+2=5? sorry, no razor blades.
yup.
fuck you ea.
whatever happened to buying the full game? now you get 3 dlc map patches, patches to fix broken games and patches to play online.
what's next, 2+2=5? sorry, no razor blades.
fuck you ea.
whatever happened to buying the full game? now you get 3 dlc map patches, patches to fix broken games and patches to play online.
what's next, 2+2=5? sorry, no razor blades.
yup.
fuck you ea.
whatever happened to buying the full game? now you get 3 dlc map patches, patches to fix broken games and patches to play online.
what's next, 2+2=5? sorry, no razor blades.
fuck you ea.
whatever happened to buying the full game? now you get 3 dlc map patches, patches to fix broken games and patches to play online.
what's next, 2+2=5? sorry, no razor blades.
@ tangoliber:
In all honesty, that statement to me sounds incredibly ridiculous, I'm sorry.
Bethesda and Guerilla games priced that DLC to what they thought was suitable, and it is, they at least showed how to do it properly.
Any companies that follow this Project 10 Dollar, won't get a dime from DLC, maybe even some of their games from me.
In all honesty, that statement to me sounds incredibly ridiculous, I'm sorry.
Bethesda and Guerilla games priced that DLC to what they thought was suitable, and it is, they at least showed how to do it properly.
Any companies that follow this Project 10 Dollar, won't get a dime from DLC, maybe even some of their games from me.
dtoid is a godam broken mess. glad to see all that fine advertisement money getting spent where its needed, on crack rocks.
And just when I thought the resale value on sports games couldn't get any lower, way to prove me wrong EA
Why the fuck are people saying buying used is not buying legitimately.
It's not pirating.
You people are supporting the consumer getting fucked in the ass.
Morons.
It's not pirating.
You people are supporting the consumer getting fucked in the ass.
Morons.
I wondered why how this post got so many comments so fast. Now I see why. :P
Anyway let's be reasonable. People pay Xbox Live to go online. To the consumer, it doesn't matter where that money goes. That is what lets them play online. So this is going to make many people feel that they are being cheated of what they are paying for, and I don't blame them.
Paying Xbox Live should entitle you to playing online. With that in mind, you should give incentives to people buying new, not punishments to people buying used.
Anyway let's be reasonable. People pay Xbox Live to go online. To the consumer, it doesn't matter where that money goes. That is what lets them play online. So this is going to make many people feel that they are being cheated of what they are paying for, and I don't blame them.
Paying Xbox Live should entitle you to playing online. With that in mind, you should give incentives to people buying new, not punishments to people buying used.
@ Double J:
But that makes companies do more work, you know, the stuff so many of them don't want to do with their games? The ones that release glitch riddled games and then put an update out, when it should have been fixed before hand?
See this all you self professed hard core gamers? That's those companies that "care" about you sooo much. They care sooo much, they're gonna make you pay more and more, and sucker you in by calling it a work of (5 hour) "art".
This will NOT help. If companies want to reduce used game sales, they need to investigate how they can get these used game buyers to BUY NEW. One way would be to SCALE back their games, and make them more affordable. After all, before EA got an exclusive contract with the NFL, 2K Sports was making BETTER SPORTS GAMES FOR HALF THE PRICE, and you can't tell me sales didn't increase for 2K Sports. This is not going to get anymore bleeding hearts, or win over any consumers to this so called "cause". It will only enrage customers, and hurt their overall sales.
This is why I trust less and less game companies anymore. Screw EA Games, and any company that uses these tactics to punish consumers. Game companies SHOULD revolve around the consumer, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I for one, support used game sales MORE because of these kinds of actions.
But that makes companies do more work, you know, the stuff so many of them don't want to do with their games? The ones that release glitch riddled games and then put an update out, when it should have been fixed before hand?
See this all you self professed hard core gamers? That's those companies that "care" about you sooo much. They care sooo much, they're gonna make you pay more and more, and sucker you in by calling it a work of (5 hour) "art".
This will NOT help. If companies want to reduce used game sales, they need to investigate how they can get these used game buyers to BUY NEW. One way would be to SCALE back their games, and make them more affordable. After all, before EA got an exclusive contract with the NFL, 2K Sports was making BETTER SPORTS GAMES FOR HALF THE PRICE, and you can't tell me sales didn't increase for 2K Sports. This is not going to get anymore bleeding hearts, or win over any consumers to this so called "cause". It will only enrage customers, and hurt their overall sales.
This is why I trust less and less game companies anymore. Screw EA Games, and any company that uses these tactics to punish consumers. Game companies SHOULD revolve around the consumer, NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND. I for one, support used game sales MORE because of these kinds of actions.
I'm surprised Microsoft allows this. I didn't think publishers could charge extra on top of Microsoft's fee for Xbox Live.
@ Woogity
EA's really too big for MS to do anything about it. It'd be like having a Comicbook store but refusing to sell DC or Marvel for a certain reason.
EA's really too big for MS to do anything about it. It'd be like having a Comicbook store but refusing to sell DC or Marvel for a certain reason.
Gramers barely care about online, and the few who do are going to buy these games on day one anyway.
People pay for the console, the game (used or new), a bill to their isp, and, if they're on Xbox Live, a bill to Microsoft. Now people are expected to pay another $10 on top of all that? That's bullshit.
They are disabling a game feature, not denying bonus content. It's wrong even if you have the option to buy into it. And we're fooling ourselves if we think this is going to help the developers that much. This is just a money grab. If they care so damn much about their partners they should give up more of their money when they publish a game. Same thing for the employees. But then they'd have to give up their money. Best put it on consumers.
At least from what I can tell from Madden, EA essentially pumps the same game out every year and sells plenty of copies. They are making plenty of money and will likely continue to do so. And before someone brings out the "gamers are so entitled" argument, I want to say that we have a right to feel entitled with this. If you've never had to pay this before, it makes sense that you would be angry if you started to. Soon, they'll probably just remove online play for used games entirely. I hope this doesn't set some sort of precedent.
If they want people to buy new, which I understand, offer up free DLC that would cost extra to used game buyers. Leave it at that. Also, treating their customers better than other companies might make them more money, believe it or not.
They are disabling a game feature, not denying bonus content. It's wrong even if you have the option to buy into it. And we're fooling ourselves if we think this is going to help the developers that much. This is just a money grab. If they care so damn much about their partners they should give up more of their money when they publish a game. Same thing for the employees. But then they'd have to give up their money. Best put it on consumers.
At least from what I can tell from Madden, EA essentially pumps the same game out every year and sells plenty of copies. They are making plenty of money and will likely continue to do so. And before someone brings out the "gamers are so entitled" argument, I want to say that we have a right to feel entitled with this. If you've never had to pay this before, it makes sense that you would be angry if you started to. Soon, they'll probably just remove online play for used games entirely. I hope this doesn't set some sort of precedent.
If they want people to buy new, which I understand, offer up free DLC that would cost extra to used game buyers. Leave it at that. Also, treating their customers better than other companies might make them more money, believe it or not.
The main issue i have with it is this statement
"We think it's fair to get paid for the services we provide and to reserve these online services for people who pay EA to access them."
Ok, its fine to want to get paid for your services, but if someone buys the game, trades it in, and then someone else buys it, you still only have one person able to make use of that service, and they have been paid for one copy of the game.
They're completely justified in this whole thing, just that statment is not a good argument for them to be using.
"We think it's fair to get paid for the services we provide and to reserve these online services for people who pay EA to access them."
Ok, its fine to want to get paid for your services, but if someone buys the game, trades it in, and then someone else buys it, you still only have one person able to make use of that service, and they have been paid for one copy of the game.
They're completely justified in this whole thing, just that statment is not a good argument for them to be using.
I don't see the issue with this. It works almost exactly like CD Keys. If you don't buy legitimately, then the option for online is closed off for you. You aren't paying extra, it's just included in the package with the game. They aren't charging ten extra dollars, it's the exact same price.
I really don't get why this is so huge of an issue.
I really don't get why this is so huge of an issue.
Many people who play these games do so as a family. They share a console, and all the family members have their own accounts. They can buy the game new and still new screwed over by this. That's my problem with it.
If they want to do this, it should be CONSOLE specific, NOT account specific.
If they want to do this, it should be CONSOLE specific, NOT account specific.
@RIMoonlight
You accidentally wrote "legitimately" when you meant to write "new". There is an incredible difference between the two.
And the problem is multifaceted:
1. The fee is on top of the fee for a Live Gold membership.
2. The fee won't get you any additional content; it simply unlocks a large portion of the game that was originally available for free.
3. Something like this sets a bad precedent for other companies to march in and apply to non-sports games.
You accidentally wrote "legitimately" when you meant to write "new". There is an incredible difference between the two.
And the problem is multifaceted:
1. The fee is on top of the fee for a Live Gold membership.
2. The fee won't get you any additional content; it simply unlocks a large portion of the game that was originally available for free.
3. Something like this sets a bad precedent for other companies to march in and apply to non-sports games.
This is gross. Flat out fucking gross. The I want my cake and eat it too...oh and when I poop it out, I want to be able to serve it again and again so I can keep eating it and pooping it out.
This is by far one of the most ham fisted attempts to put a point across by EA.
However... I can play this game as well Electronic Aristocrats... I'm not buying a game until you pay every reviewer a premium amount of money to give your games a full 10/10.
No 10/10, no money. Second hand sales keep old software titles relevant instead of making them garbage. Plus it gives lower income families the ability to enjoy the same entertainment, albeit years after its release, to continue support of the company.
It seems these cunts don't understand what relationship marketing is. They seem to love guerilla marketing.
No thanks EA. I implore the rest of you to take your heads out of your asses and realize that a large game company just got a retailer to agree with an implemented product limitation that cuts into their revenue.
Did you hear me? Gamestop says this is a good move? To take money out of gamestops pocket and put it back into EA because the software is 2nd hand.
IF you think that is fine, then yer fucked in the skull and I can only wish horrible things on you. This is flagrant monopolization and ownership of a product post-purchase.
You and EA are ruining the game market. If you don't agree you're completely nuts...
Thanks a lot.
Jesus fuck this world is stupid.
This is by far one of the most ham fisted attempts to put a point across by EA.
However... I can play this game as well Electronic Aristocrats... I'm not buying a game until you pay every reviewer a premium amount of money to give your games a full 10/10.
No 10/10, no money. Second hand sales keep old software titles relevant instead of making them garbage. Plus it gives lower income families the ability to enjoy the same entertainment, albeit years after its release, to continue support of the company.
It seems these cunts don't understand what relationship marketing is. They seem to love guerilla marketing.
No thanks EA. I implore the rest of you to take your heads out of your asses and realize that a large game company just got a retailer to agree with an implemented product limitation that cuts into their revenue.
Did you hear me? Gamestop says this is a good move? To take money out of gamestops pocket and put it back into EA because the software is 2nd hand.
IF you think that is fine, then yer fucked in the skull and I can only wish horrible things on you. This is flagrant monopolization and ownership of a product post-purchase.
You and EA are ruining the game market. If you don't agree you're completely nuts...
Thanks a lot.
Jesus fuck this world is stupid.
Also I have to point something out that people seem to think is entitled to these game companies from second hand sales...
When a person buys a game, it instantly loses worth. But that person has absolutely 0 chance, apart from demos(which they are discussing as revenue generators btw), from knowing what the quality of the game is or what the game is like. Once you open that seal, because of the bullshit anti-piracy laws, you cannot take that game back unless you take at least a 50% money back cut.
Does that seem fair? Is that fair... ask yourself is that fair?
Is there anything else that cannot be returned in this world? I'm not sure if anything else cannot be reimbursed... might be a few things...but I'm pretty sure you could take it to court and win through arbitration.
But these second hand sales are a reflection of the money being spent and risked in order to return.
Don't act like the publishers are losing sales to these second hand returns. When a game sucks massive balls, it was NOT worth the average price tag.
There is no special pricing on each game in comparison to their worth. Instead everything is based around a similar price tag no matter how much was put into it or how much you get out of it. And when you sell it back to the store you are taking a massive loss... if the game companies want that revenue they can fucking give EVERY LAST GODDAMN CENT back.
Fuck this industry if this is accepted. I'm so goddamned sick of this shit that it makes me want to pirate the living christ out of everything.
And fuck all of you for accepting this. This isn't a matter of opinion or logic. This is flat out fraud. We are damned if we do and damned when we don't.
They are actually making it possible to screw a consumer for being frugal.
What would really help is if idiotic stores wouldn't stock this crap. Don't sell their cannibalizing titles that fold back on their sale just to cause your sales to jump an extra 10 bucks. That is a giant loss back onto the software stores.
Wow are people stupid. Just flat out ignorant stupidity.
When a person buys a game, it instantly loses worth. But that person has absolutely 0 chance, apart from demos(which they are discussing as revenue generators btw), from knowing what the quality of the game is or what the game is like. Once you open that seal, because of the bullshit anti-piracy laws, you cannot take that game back unless you take at least a 50% money back cut.
Does that seem fair? Is that fair... ask yourself is that fair?
Is there anything else that cannot be returned in this world? I'm not sure if anything else cannot be reimbursed... might be a few things...but I'm pretty sure you could take it to court and win through arbitration.
But these second hand sales are a reflection of the money being spent and risked in order to return.
Don't act like the publishers are losing sales to these second hand returns. When a game sucks massive balls, it was NOT worth the average price tag.
There is no special pricing on each game in comparison to their worth. Instead everything is based around a similar price tag no matter how much was put into it or how much you get out of it. And when you sell it back to the store you are taking a massive loss... if the game companies want that revenue they can fucking give EVERY LAST GODDAMN CENT back.
Fuck this industry if this is accepted. I'm so goddamned sick of this shit that it makes me want to pirate the living christ out of everything.
And fuck all of you for accepting this. This isn't a matter of opinion or logic. This is flat out fraud. We are damned if we do and damned when we don't.
They are actually making it possible to screw a consumer for being frugal.
What would really help is if idiotic stores wouldn't stock this crap. Don't sell their cannibalizing titles that fold back on their sale just to cause your sales to jump an extra 10 bucks. That is a giant loss back onto the software stores.
Wow are people stupid. Just flat out ignorant stupidity.
I can not believe so many of you are for this! What about all the gamefly users? they are now SOL. The used games buyers? SOL. People with multiple accounts on one xbox? SOL. This is a HORRIBLE idea that is going to be the start of a very VERY bad trend. It seems EA wants to be the evil company again.. they got sick of hearing about activision being so evil they wanted their crown back.
The only people this is going to bother are those cheap ass bastards who want a game at 30/40% used discount AND want it to be exactly the same as the brand new version.
IE, the greedy cheapskates.
Publishers and developers make nothing on used sales, yet a used game is almost always identical to a brand new one, except the price. Yall just too used to getting shit cheaper than it should be at the detriment of the publishers and devs bottom lines.
Glad EA has figured out a non-intrusive way of regaining some cash from used sales.
I mean fair enopugh if it was a product which degrades, if a used copy was somehow not as good as a new copy, like cars, used cars are never as good as brand new cars, hence the drop in price. but games are games no matter how many people have played the disc before, it's still the exact same game.
I kind of feel bad for Xboxers, i mean you buy a used game, a LIVE sub AND $10 to play online? - sheeeet.
At least for us PS3 users it's like, we're using EA's servers to play that used game, which EA made no money on, so I wouldn't mind paying a little extra to use their servers, being as though I got a copy of their game cheap.
But I'm just glad I won't have to buy the used game, pay EA to play it online AND pay Microshaft to play it online too.
Sucks to be you.
IE, the greedy cheapskates.
Publishers and developers make nothing on used sales, yet a used game is almost always identical to a brand new one, except the price. Yall just too used to getting shit cheaper than it should be at the detriment of the publishers and devs bottom lines.
Glad EA has figured out a non-intrusive way of regaining some cash from used sales.
I mean fair enopugh if it was a product which degrades, if a used copy was somehow not as good as a new copy, like cars, used cars are never as good as brand new cars, hence the drop in price. but games are games no matter how many people have played the disc before, it's still the exact same game.
I kind of feel bad for Xboxers, i mean you buy a used game, a LIVE sub AND $10 to play online? - sheeeet.
At least for us PS3 users it's like, we're using EA's servers to play that used game, which EA made no money on, so I wouldn't mind paying a little extra to use their servers, being as though I got a copy of their game cheap.
But I'm just glad I won't have to buy the used game, pay EA to play it online AND pay Microshaft to play it online too.
Sucks to be you.
"@ Mike P. But if someone were to buy a used game instead of it new, the company doesnt see the money. If someone bought the game new, and sold it, and that one copy mae it into 10 people's hands, that's 10 potential sales the company lost."
After the physical product is sold, EA has zero claim to it. Which is poignantly evidenced by the fact that EA decided to lock out the only thing that they still control outside of the immediate disc-console experience. Like an asshole ex, they're holding the one thing you left at their house hostage, and they're gonna make you pay every time you wanna use it.
It's not right, and it's not "fair to them", it's a dick move; an outrageous display of greed that should insult every single one of you.
Funniest thing is, soon, there will be a secondhand market for "Online Pass" codes. Because that's the way the world works. Best price wins. Always.
After the physical product is sold, EA has zero claim to it. Which is poignantly evidenced by the fact that EA decided to lock out the only thing that they still control outside of the immediate disc-console experience. Like an asshole ex, they're holding the one thing you left at their house hostage, and they're gonna make you pay every time you wanna use it.
It's not right, and it's not "fair to them", it's a dick move; an outrageous display of greed that should insult every single one of you.
Funniest thing is, soon, there will be a secondhand market for "Online Pass" codes. Because that's the way the world works. Best price wins. Always.
Simple answer to all of your bitching and moaning - BUY NEW. Then you don't have to worry about this $10.
I think the single most important thing in this argument is that NEW GAME prices need to degrade faster. Although sports games are already quite quick in this department a lot of good games are not.
£40 at launch should not = £40 6 months down the line.
There should be a set scale for degradation of new games prices to encourage new purchases over used. Say £1 / $2 a month or something, a set scale anyway, but obviously only to a certain point.
I look forward to the hassle it's going to cause Gamestop and pals, as they have to start stickering all used EA games as "online play not included" or face mass returns and false advertising claims.
-runs off to get some popcorn.
I think the single most important thing in this argument is that NEW GAME prices need to degrade faster. Although sports games are already quite quick in this department a lot of good games are not.
£40 at launch should not = £40 6 months down the line.
There should be a set scale for degradation of new games prices to encourage new purchases over used. Say £1 / $2 a month or something, a set scale anyway, but obviously only to a certain point.
I look forward to the hassle it's going to cause Gamestop and pals, as they have to start stickering all used EA games as "online play not included" or face mass returns and false advertising claims.
-runs off to get some popcorn.
why can't the console have the good old cd-key system for online this will block all pirated copy's from playing online as well as second hand and rented ones for the pc you can't use rented copy's online if you can use them at all, why should the consoles have this advantage
This is fuckin' incredible sick.... I really hope people see this as a new limitation of their freedom as a gamer, not as an exclusivity as they are presenting it, and EA sales drop down. This bullshit didn't happen 3 years ago. What's up with all the publishers? For me, this is just another move condoning piracy.
It's despicable, even more from a company that SHUTS DOWN their servers when just a couple of years pass.
It's despicable, even more from a company that SHUTS DOWN their servers when just a couple of years pass.
As much as this makes me shudder I agree with SexChoc. I more often than not am a cheap ass gamer because I have other bills to pay and other shit to buy BUT I don't expect to get everything the same.
I'll give you an example. I work in the motor industry and when you buy a used car you know that it will not be the same as new. It may have surface scratches, wear and tear and most if not all of it's manufacturers warranty gone. That's why you get them at a MUCH lower price than new.
From a games perspective I just recently bought Red faction Guerrilla on the PS3. I expected there still to be some people playing online so I could try that mode; there were, 12 or something!! So yeah I pretty much got to play a few times and got bored of waiting years for a game.
Did I complain? No because I chose to buy the game used at a MUCH lower price than new.
By buying Fifa 10 (for example) new you get the full package - to go back to the car analogy you get it showroom fresh, warranty and all; at a premium - because you are paying the money to the developer. Why should EA let you have free access to it's online servers when you buy the game at a massively reduced rate (even £10 is still a 1/4 of the price)and when you have paid them sweet fuck all?
Yes nothing like this happened before but online gaming was nothing like it is now, more people playing online means more spent maintaining online service. Also seems to be a further in-between step to all games being download only.
But for the present what this will mean I guess is Gamestop/Gamestation will drop prices they pay you for P/X so they can sell them at a lower price quicker (with same margins) along with the codes needed. GS will still get money from P/X plus money from the codes and the developer will cut down on trade in's as lower prices will be given, more new game sales and they will get money from code.
Hypothetical guessing of course :)
I'll give you an example. I work in the motor industry and when you buy a used car you know that it will not be the same as new. It may have surface scratches, wear and tear and most if not all of it's manufacturers warranty gone. That's why you get them at a MUCH lower price than new.
From a games perspective I just recently bought Red faction Guerrilla on the PS3. I expected there still to be some people playing online so I could try that mode; there were, 12 or something!! So yeah I pretty much got to play a few times and got bored of waiting years for a game.
Did I complain? No because I chose to buy the game used at a MUCH lower price than new.
By buying Fifa 10 (for example) new you get the full package - to go back to the car analogy you get it showroom fresh, warranty and all; at a premium - because you are paying the money to the developer. Why should EA let you have free access to it's online servers when you buy the game at a massively reduced rate (even £10 is still a 1/4 of the price)and when you have paid them sweet fuck all?
Yes nothing like this happened before but online gaming was nothing like it is now, more people playing online means more spent maintaining online service. Also seems to be a further in-between step to all games being download only.
But for the present what this will mean I guess is Gamestop/Gamestation will drop prices they pay you for P/X so they can sell them at a lower price quicker (with same margins) along with the codes needed. GS will still get money from P/X plus money from the codes and the developer will cut down on trade in's as lower prices will be given, more new game sales and they will get money from code.
Hypothetical guessing of course :)
@Sexualchocolate and others - Why do you always have to claim that one console is better than another? Stop trolling, goddammit. This is an issue affecting all of us, gamers.
Read the header, the online pass for Tiger Woods 2011. For anybody who knows the franchise, it would be clear that the game would be totally crippled without the online pass. I'm the kind of user that buy most of games used or at least 6 months after launch. What can I say, I like gaming, I like playing lots of games and I have to do it this way because I can't afford paying 70 or 80 dollars (european prices) twice a week for gaming. This EA move fucks me and a whole lotta people, and it deprives me of my traditional rights.
Anyhow, still regarding Tiger Woods franchise and I should say all EA sports franchises, it's known that EA servers shut down when time passes. And I'm not saying ten years from launching, no. My several Tiger Woods online die just 2 years from launching. So what's this? Do you have to pay a full price for 2 years of online gaming? Do you have to pay an "online pass" fee for less than 2 years (months maybe) of online gaming? Or maybe you pay for that online pass and you find the servers are about to shut or have been shut down already.
This is bullshit. A whole pack of bullshit.
Read the header, the online pass for Tiger Woods 2011. For anybody who knows the franchise, it would be clear that the game would be totally crippled without the online pass. I'm the kind of user that buy most of games used or at least 6 months after launch. What can I say, I like gaming, I like playing lots of games and I have to do it this way because I can't afford paying 70 or 80 dollars (european prices) twice a week for gaming. This EA move fucks me and a whole lotta people, and it deprives me of my traditional rights.
Anyhow, still regarding Tiger Woods franchise and I should say all EA sports franchises, it's known that EA servers shut down when time passes. And I'm not saying ten years from launching, no. My several Tiger Woods online die just 2 years from launching. So what's this? Do you have to pay a full price for 2 years of online gaming? Do you have to pay an "online pass" fee for less than 2 years (months maybe) of online gaming? Or maybe you pay for that online pass and you find the servers are about to shut or have been shut down already.
This is bullshit. A whole pack of bullshit.
I really don't think I can support this. If you ask me, having a map pack (Gears of War 2) or nude patch (The Sabotour) withheld from from used game sales should have been enough for companies. I don't play games online all that often so this doesn't affect me much, but if I did, I'd probably be pissed right about now.
@Kris S
Fine... Now think of this: when you went to buy Red Faction Guerrilla you had to pay 10 extra dollars more for online playing. And then you find there are 12 people playing. Would you then complain, dude?
Fine... Now think of this: when you went to buy Red Faction Guerrilla you had to pay 10 extra dollars more for online playing. And then you find there are 12 people playing. Would you then complain, dude?
Don't get me wrong. I'm a cheap ass gamer too, I do a lot of trading in and often buy pre-owned.
So yes, this does hurt MY wallet. But I think it's perfectly justified.
Although as I say, I think new games should get cheaper quicker.
@Shulamm - not saying one console is better than the other, just that this is especially upsetting for those who already have to pay one company to play online, in fact 2 companies if you include your ISP.
You'll all be eating your words when used game prices drop by exactly $10 and it makes no odds to you, but EA get a little kick back.
In fact, yeah, that's exactly what I expect to happen: Trade in value to drop by $10 and used game price to drop by $10. Therefore the buyer of used games is no worse off while it only hurts the trader (usually me) and EA get's their kick back.
Despite this whole situation COSTING ME MORE MONEY I think it's perfectly justified.
So yes, this does hurt MY wallet. But I think it's perfectly justified.
Although as I say, I think new games should get cheaper quicker.
@Shulamm - not saying one console is better than the other, just that this is especially upsetting for those who already have to pay one company to play online, in fact 2 companies if you include your ISP.
You'll all be eating your words when used game prices drop by exactly $10 and it makes no odds to you, but EA get a little kick back.
In fact, yeah, that's exactly what I expect to happen: Trade in value to drop by $10 and used game price to drop by $10. Therefore the buyer of used games is no worse off while it only hurts the trader (usually me) and EA get's their kick back.
Despite this whole situation COSTING ME MORE MONEY I think it's perfectly justified.
@ Woogity: They are charging for a feature (being able to use the online multiplayer), not a service. I think this is why Microsoft is okay with this.
@ Sexualchocolate: Yeah, because it's not like there are stores and websites where you can buy used books, CDs, and movies... OH WAIT.
Why should video games be any different?
I remember when I first read about the idea of having exclusive content if you bought the game new. I thought: "Well, it's okay if it's additional content, as long as you have the choice to buy it or not. But they'll probably start abusing this system soon enough." The first game that had that was... The Saboteur I believe? And now, 6 months afterward, they are blocking what could be called a core feature of the game. Because let us not kid ourselves, online multiplayer IS a core feature of a game for a lot of people. Not being able to access additional content is fine; BLOCKING a core feature, however, is not.
@ Sexualchocolate: Yeah, because it's not like there are stores and websites where you can buy used books, CDs, and movies... OH WAIT.
Why should video games be any different?
I remember when I first read about the idea of having exclusive content if you bought the game new. I thought: "Well, it's okay if it's additional content, as long as you have the choice to buy it or not. But they'll probably start abusing this system soon enough." The first game that had that was... The Saboteur I believe? And now, 6 months afterward, they are blocking what could be called a core feature of the game. Because let us not kid ourselves, online multiplayer IS a core feature of a game for a lot of people. Not being able to access additional content is fine; BLOCKING a core feature, however, is not.
I really dont care too much cause all the sports games I buy from EA I get when they are brand new. But this is so gay I cant believe it.
@shalumm
That is a good point, I'll hold my hands up to that.
For me personally I bought it mainly for single player and for a game nearly a year old I wouldn't buy the online code if there was that option.
Still an interesting point though and something the companies will need to consider.
The quicker they move to digital distribution and drop the price of new games the better. Also when that happens it may change to a whole other business model (see GTs The Bonus Round for more)
Going to need to be some sort of compromise somewhere because both sides have valid points.
That is a good point, I'll hold my hands up to that.
For me personally I bought it mainly for single player and for a game nearly a year old I wouldn't buy the online code if there was that option.
Still an interesting point though and something the companies will need to consider.
The quicker they move to digital distribution and drop the price of new games the better. Also when that happens it may change to a whole other business model (see GTs The Bonus Round for more)
Going to need to be some sort of compromise somewhere because both sides have valid points.
Yeah this is like going to buy a used book or movie.. getting haflway through and seeing a note that says: "To continue please pay us 10$." Also, to the people saying "It's just like CD Keys on the PC." It's actually not. For games they are not one time use keys if you sell the game you give them the CD key with it and it still installs. Maybe not with some of the crazy DRM but still this is a lot worse.
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