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I'm sure there are going to be many people who are riled up by this. the fact of the matter is, though, publishers and devs gain nothing from the sale of used games. Frankly, I think EA could have been a lot more intrusive and, for the most part, I think "Project Ten Dollar" is generally a good idea.
I think its generally a good idea although I'm now concerned about the deadly contents of their stomanch.
I think its generally a good idea although I'm now concerned about the deadly contents of their stomanch.
If this was a pre-order incentive (which is what I was thinking it was for a couple seconds), it would suck.
I hardly buy used games, so I don't mind it.
and I like the "borrow/rent free trial" they have, so you can try the online when you rent it.
So it's not terrible.
I hardly buy used games, so I don't mind it.
and I like the "borrow/rent free trial" they have, so you can try the online when you rent it.
So it's not terrible.
I really don't have a problem with this as long as some of the money finds its way back to the studio.
"What do you guys think of this?"
I think it's a small step towards a larger movement in online gaming, $$$'s for this, $$$'s for that; every fee and extra charge a company can dream up.
On-line gaming is my 'LaRouche Zone'. Everybody has one, a subject where you see angles and conspiracies in everything. As much as I can see obvious benefits/services brought to gamers by online gaming, at the end of the day I still think it's a massive $$$ wet-dream for Sony/Microsoft, game publishers, and game media. It's been pushed from industry business forces on down, not natural market demand. I'd love to be wrong, but in a few years I think you'll have a video game market that's lost a lot in the late 20's/early 30's demo, and is generally stagnant both creatively and growth-wise compared to earlier cycles. Online gaming certainly has a huge place in the future, but in the near term it will be a mirror of the larger financial problems in the world, with countries trying to avoid unsustainable budgets with gimmicks. Game companies like EA are currently leading the way in responding to the inflated development costs/cycles of video games not in truly conductive ways, but by starting to pack every freaking title with online extra-fee hooks.
I think it's a small step towards a larger movement in online gaming, $$$'s for this, $$$'s for that; every fee and extra charge a company can dream up.
On-line gaming is my 'LaRouche Zone'. Everybody has one, a subject where you see angles and conspiracies in everything. As much as I can see obvious benefits/services brought to gamers by online gaming, at the end of the day I still think it's a massive $$$ wet-dream for Sony/Microsoft, game publishers, and game media. It's been pushed from industry business forces on down, not natural market demand. I'd love to be wrong, but in a few years I think you'll have a video game market that's lost a lot in the late 20's/early 30's demo, and is generally stagnant both creatively and growth-wise compared to earlier cycles. Online gaming certainly has a huge place in the future, but in the near term it will be a mirror of the larger financial problems in the world, with countries trying to avoid unsustainable budgets with gimmicks. Game companies like EA are currently leading the way in responding to the inflated development costs/cycles of video games not in truly conductive ways, but by starting to pack every freaking title with online extra-fee hooks.
"What do you guys think of this?"
I think it's a small step towards a larger movement in online gaming, $$$'s for this, $$$'s for that; every fee and extra charge a company can dream up.
On-line gaming is my 'LaRouche Zone'. Everybody has one, a subject where you see angles and conspiracies in everything. As much as I can see obvious benefits/services brought to gamers by online gaming, at the end of the day I still think it's a massive $$$ wet-dream for Sony/Microsoft, game publishers, and game media. It's been pushed from industry business forces on down, not natural market demand. I'd love to be wrong, but in a few years I think you'll have a video game market that's lost a lot in the late 20's/early 30's demo, and is generally stagnant both creatively and growth-wise compared to earlier cycles. Online gaming certainly has a huge place in the future, but in the near term it will be a mirror of the larger financial problems in the world, with countries trying to avoid unsustainable budgets with gimmicks. Game companies like EA are currently leading the way in responding to the inflated development costs/cycles of video games not in truly conductive ways, but by starting to pack every freaking title with online extra-fee hooks.
I think it's a small step towards a larger movement in online gaming, $$$'s for this, $$$'s for that; every fee and extra charge a company can dream up.
On-line gaming is my 'LaRouche Zone'. Everybody has one, a subject where you see angles and conspiracies in everything. As much as I can see obvious benefits/services brought to gamers by online gaming, at the end of the day I still think it's a massive $$$ wet-dream for Sony/Microsoft, game publishers, and game media. It's been pushed from industry business forces on down, not natural market demand. I'd love to be wrong, but in a few years I think you'll have a video game market that's lost a lot in the late 20's/early 30's demo, and is generally stagnant both creatively and growth-wise compared to earlier cycles. Online gaming certainly has a huge place in the future, but in the near term it will be a mirror of the larger financial problems in the world, with countries trying to avoid unsustainable budgets with gimmicks. Game companies like EA are currently leading the way in responding to the inflated development costs/cycles of video games not in truly conductive ways, but by starting to pack every freaking title with online extra-fee hooks.
I want to know if the code is tied to the Gamertag or the console.
If I can't take my copy of NHL 11 over my buddies for some local co-op vs Xbox Live I might not like this move.
If I can't take my copy of NHL 11 over my buddies for some local co-op vs Xbox Live I might not like this move.
So 360 users will need to pay for a gold membership, and a fee to play EA games online? Who could object to that?
I think we should go deeper, though. You know how modern games have collectibles you can collect for an achievement? Why don't we make it so that if you don't collect them, you have to pay an additional $10?
I think we should go deeper, though. You know how modern games have collectibles you can collect for an achievement? Why don't we make it so that if you don't collect them, you have to pay an additional $10?
So 360 users will need to pay for a gold membership, and a fee to play EA games online? Who could object to that?
I think we should go deeper, though. You know how modern games have collectibles you can collect for an achievement? Why don't we make it so that if you don't collect them, you have to pay an additional $10?
I think we should go deeper, though. You know how modern games have collectibles you can collect for an achievement? Why don't we make it so that if you don't collect them, you have to pay an additional $10?
I don't see the issue with this. It works almost exactly like CD Keys. If you don't buy legitimately, then the option for online is closed off for you. You aren't paying extra, it's just included in the package with the game. They aren't charging ten extra dollars, it's the exact same price.
I really don't get why this is so huge of an issue.
I really don't get why this is so huge of an issue.
I don't see the issue with this. It works almost exactly like CD Keys. If you don't buy legitimately, then the option for online is closed off for you. You aren't paying extra, it's just included in the package with the game. They aren't charging ten extra dollars, it's the exact same price.
I really don't get why this is so huge of an issue.
I really don't get why this is so huge of an issue.
I don't see the issue with this. It works almost exactly like CD Keys. If you don't buy legitimately, then the option for online is closed off for you. You aren't paying extra, it's just included in the package with the game. They aren't charging ten extra dollars, it's the exact same price.
I really don't get why this is so huge of an issue.
I really don't get why this is so huge of an issue.
And people defend EA games....
I'm honestly thankful I don't have XBOX Live, let alone a 360 anymore. This does not serve your customers interests, this is screwing them over. But I guess this only applies to those who buy used, some wouldn't care.
If all these game companies are so worried about used game sales, then why DON'T THEY CUT BACK ON THEIR GAMES AND MAKE THEM MORE AFFORDABLE? I don't need HD cinematic Epic voice work in every game, give me a good game, and I'm fine.
This doesn't and won't change anyone's minds or get any bleeding hearts to their cause, to me, it only encourages gamers to buy used copies of games. I honestly don't care much about any DLC, especially with these kind of cut throat tactics.
What's good for the customer/gamer, is good for the industry, this is not.
Sorry for the rant...
I'm honestly thankful I don't have XBOX Live, let alone a 360 anymore. This does not serve your customers interests, this is screwing them over. But I guess this only applies to those who buy used, some wouldn't care.
If all these game companies are so worried about used game sales, then why DON'T THEY CUT BACK ON THEIR GAMES AND MAKE THEM MORE AFFORDABLE? I don't need HD cinematic Epic voice work in every game, give me a good game, and I'm fine.
This doesn't and won't change anyone's minds or get any bleeding hearts to their cause, to me, it only encourages gamers to buy used copies of games. I honestly don't care much about any DLC, especially with these kind of cut throat tactics.
What's good for the customer/gamer, is good for the industry, this is not.
Sorry for the rant...
While I don't particularly mind this, as I always make an effort to buy games new (that 10% you save really doesn't add up to much), I still prefer the way that Mass Effect's Cerberus Network was handled. I feel like in buying something new you should get something extra, not something essential.
if they want to do it it's their business, it just means that I'll buy less games since they want me to buy them all new- or at least I should say I will do what I have been doing now which is waiting until games aren't popular anymore and then buying them new unless it is a specific game I REALLY want to play now.
if they want to do it it's their business, it just means that I'll buy less games since they want me to buy them all new- or at least I should say I will do what I have been doing now which is waiting until games aren't popular anymore and then buying them new unless it is a specific game I REALLY want to play now.
if they want to do it it's their business, it just means that I'll buy less games since they want me to buy them all new- or at least I should say I will do what I have been doing now which is waiting until games aren't popular anymore and then buying them new unless it is a specific game I REALLY want to play now.
While I don't particularly mind this, as I always make an effort to buy games new (that 10% you save really doesn't add up to much), I still prefer the way that Mass Effect's Cerberus Network was handled. I feel like in buying something new you should get something extra, not something essential.
They should work on making sports games better and more enjoyable so people are less inclined to trade them in in the first place. Fortunately, this doesn't apply to me because the last sports game I bought was NHL All-star Hockey for the Saturn.
Also, Dtoid is being very buggy right now. People are double--and even triple--posting all over the place. The background is tiling horrendously, and pages are generally breaking.
Also, Dtoid is being very buggy right now. People are double--and even triple--posting all over the place. The background is tiling horrendously, and pages are generally breaking.
It's only fair really as games companies don't profit from used games sales, and money has to be made somehow.
To people bashing EA on it think it out logically: you pay £30 on a used title, £10 cheaper than the current retail price for [x] game, you then pay £5 extra for online priveleges and you're still paying a fiver less than the retail price. Sure the "razorblade" pricing model seems unfair at first but not only does it only affect used sales but it also helps support games companies so they can make more content for you in a fair and non-intrusive way.
I mean hey, at least they're not ubisoft and DRM the fuck out of everything.
To people bashing EA on it think it out logically: you pay £30 on a used title, £10 cheaper than the current retail price for [x] game, you then pay £5 extra for online priveleges and you're still paying a fiver less than the retail price. Sure the "razorblade" pricing model seems unfair at first but not only does it only affect used sales but it also helps support games companies so they can make more content for you in a fair and non-intrusive way.
I mean hey, at least they're not ubisoft and DRM the fuck out of everything.
This is a lot of double posts.
I really don't see an issue with this. I think $10 is a little steep, although I can understand why: used copies at Gamestop are generally only $5 cheaper than new, so this makes new copies cheaper than used (if you care about online play). The only people this is a legitimate issue for are the ones that aren't paying EA anyways.
It's better than invasive DRM, at least.
I really don't see an issue with this. I think $10 is a little steep, although I can understand why: used copies at Gamestop are generally only $5 cheaper than new, so this makes new copies cheaper than used (if you care about online play). The only people this is a legitimate issue for are the ones that aren't paying EA anyways.
It's better than invasive DRM, at least.
This is a lot of double posts.
I really don't see an issue with this. I think $10 is a little steep, although I can understand why: used copies at Gamestop are generally only $5 cheaper than new, so this makes new copies cheaper than used (if you care about online play). The only people this is a legitimate issue for are the ones that aren't paying EA anyways.
It's better than invasive DRM, at least.
I really don't see an issue with this. I think $10 is a little steep, although I can understand why: used copies at Gamestop are generally only $5 cheaper than new, so this makes new copies cheaper than used (if you care about online play). The only people this is a legitimate issue for are the ones that aren't paying EA anyways.
It's better than invasive DRM, at least.
"games companies don't profit from used games sales, and money has to be made somehow"
Actually, it doesn't "have to be made", they simply want the extra money, and have the ability to milk it out of you. It all goes back to the fact that game companies feel entitled to a cut of secondhand sales, even though no other physical media (music, movies, books) enjoys the same luxury. Game companies are special as far as they're concerned, and since they're actually capable of crippling your experience, they have finally decided to do just that.
Even though they already received money for the original purchase, and since the original owner has since sold the game, that secondhand sale will not increase the amount of strain/use of their online services; but they still somehow feel justified in holding online play hostage until you pay them again for that disc they've already sold once before, and they didn't even have to pay to get it back! This is nothing more than a money grab, disguised as cleverly as possible as something reasonable. Credit to EA for going so far to make it look acceptable, but poo on this continued drive to milk every - last - fucking - cent out of gamers' pockets.
Actually, it doesn't "have to be made", they simply want the extra money, and have the ability to milk it out of you. It all goes back to the fact that game companies feel entitled to a cut of secondhand sales, even though no other physical media (music, movies, books) enjoys the same luxury. Game companies are special as far as they're concerned, and since they're actually capable of crippling your experience, they have finally decided to do just that.
Even though they already received money for the original purchase, and since the original owner has since sold the game, that secondhand sale will not increase the amount of strain/use of their online services; but they still somehow feel justified in holding online play hostage until you pay them again for that disc they've already sold once before, and they didn't even have to pay to get it back! This is nothing more than a money grab, disguised as cleverly as possible as something reasonable. Credit to EA for going so far to make it look acceptable, but poo on this continued drive to milk every - last - fucking - cent out of gamers' pockets.
"games companies don't profit from used games sales, and money has to be made somehow"
Actually, it doesn't "have to be made", they simply want the extra money, and have the ability to milk it out of you. It all goes back to the fact that game companies feel entitled to a cut of secondhand sales, even though no other physical media (music, movies, books) enjoys the same luxury. Game companies are special as far as they're concerned, and since they're actually capable of crippling your experience, they have finally decided to do just that.
Even though they already received money for the original purchase, and since the original owner has since sold the game, that secondhand sale will not increase the amount of strain/use of their online services; but they still somehow feel justified in holding online play hostage until you pay them again for that disc they've already sold once before, and they didn't even have to pay to get it back! This is nothing more than a money grab, disguised as cleverly as possible as something reasonable. Credit to EA for going so far to make it look acceptable, but poo on this continued drive to milk every - last - fucking - cent out of gamers' pockets.
Actually, it doesn't "have to be made", they simply want the extra money, and have the ability to milk it out of you. It all goes back to the fact that game companies feel entitled to a cut of secondhand sales, even though no other physical media (music, movies, books) enjoys the same luxury. Game companies are special as far as they're concerned, and since they're actually capable of crippling your experience, they have finally decided to do just that.
Even though they already received money for the original purchase, and since the original owner has since sold the game, that secondhand sale will not increase the amount of strain/use of their online services; but they still somehow feel justified in holding online play hostage until you pay them again for that disc they've already sold once before, and they didn't even have to pay to get it back! This is nothing more than a money grab, disguised as cleverly as possible as something reasonable. Credit to EA for going so far to make it look acceptable, but poo on this continued drive to milk every - last - fucking - cent out of gamers' pockets.
In terms of the scumminess level, I find this a sight or two more acceptable than microtransactions for cheat codes (exhibited most glaringly when they ported The Godfather to the 360.)
@ ArrestedDeveloper:
Honestly, I wouldn't. In fact, if it was at all possible, I'd try to make my games more affordable. Would I charge for DLC? Depends on the content. Would I even have DLC? Only if I couldn't cram ever little bit of everything I wanted on the disc. Extra skins? No. Stages that extend the game a little more? Yes. But would I force those who had bought the game used to pony up $10 extra just to download it, let alone play online? No.
(The rest is not directed at you)
This will only make things worse, I have no doubts of that. Next you'll have to pay extra for teams that are already on the disc. Or in other games, you'll have to pay extra for the weapons YOU NEED, or to even progress through the game.
This is basically trying to make used game buyers into villains. It's not their fault they go for a cheaper deal, and it's not their fault if they can't pay full price for a "work of art" only 5 hours long.
To me, this is anti-consumer. Companies should do more research into how they can reduce used game sales, and TALK TO THE CUSTOMER, and since far too many are money grubbers (yes, I realize games are a business), they won't, they'd rather punish the ones they don't like instead of trying to win them over.
Honestly, I wouldn't. In fact, if it was at all possible, I'd try to make my games more affordable. Would I charge for DLC? Depends on the content. Would I even have DLC? Only if I couldn't cram ever little bit of everything I wanted on the disc. Extra skins? No. Stages that extend the game a little more? Yes. But would I force those who had bought the game used to pony up $10 extra just to download it, let alone play online? No.
(The rest is not directed at you)
This will only make things worse, I have no doubts of that. Next you'll have to pay extra for teams that are already on the disc. Or in other games, you'll have to pay extra for the weapons YOU NEED, or to even progress through the game.
This is basically trying to make used game buyers into villains. It's not their fault they go for a cheaper deal, and it's not their fault if they can't pay full price for a "work of art" only 5 hours long.
To me, this is anti-consumer. Companies should do more research into how they can reduce used game sales, and TALK TO THE CUSTOMER, and since far too many are money grubbers (yes, I realize games are a business), they won't, they'd rather punish the ones they don't like instead of trying to win them over.
Awesome if your the kind of gamer that waits to play get a game when its on sale or the price goes down because its used you get punished with a $10 price tag for online effectively defeating used games. I love how the gaming community gets all kinds of things imposed on them all the time but since we are all at each others throats over consoles and gaming preferences their is no voice and things only get worse with time. DLC, stuff that used to be rewards for beating games is gone, every fps has some map packs scheduled to come out, pc gamers paying console prices and getting DRM restrictions which never stop pirates, and now we're trying to charge for online on top of online fees if you have say...an xbox. Hmm...I don't see the problem, whatever.
Awesome if your the kind of gamer that waits to play get a game when its on sale or the price goes down because its used you get punished with a $10 price tag for online effectively defeating used games. I love how the gaming community gets all kinds of things imposed on them all the time but since we are all at each others throats over consoles and gaming preferences their is no voice and things only get worse with time. DLC, stuff that used to be rewards for beating games is gone, every fps has some map packs scheduled to come out, pc gamers paying console prices and getting DRM restrictions which never stop pirates, and now we're trying to charge for online on top of online fees if you have say...an xbox. Hmm...I don't see the problem, whatever.
Awesome if your the kind of gamer that waits to play get a game when its on sale or the price goes down because its used you get punished with a $10 price tag for online effectively defeating used games. I love how the gaming community gets all kinds of things imposed on them all the time but since we are all at each others throats over consoles and gaming preferences their is no voice and things only get worse with time. DLC, stuff that used to be rewards for beating games is gone, every fps has some map packs scheduled to come out, pc gamers paying console prices and getting DRM restrictions which never stop pirates, and now we're trying to charge for online on top of online fees if you have say...an xbox. Hmm...I don't see the problem, whatever.
Awesome if your the kind of gamer that waits to play get a game when its on sale or the price goes down because its used you get punished with a $10 price tag for online effectively defeating used games. I love how the gaming community gets all kinds of things imposed on them all the time but since we are all at each others throats over consoles and gaming preferences their is no voice and things only get worse with time. DLC, stuff that used to be rewards for beating games is gone, every fps has some map packs scheduled to come out, pc gamers paying console prices and getting DRM restrictions which never stop pirates, and now we're trying to charge for online on top of online fees if you have say...an xbox. Hmm...I don't see the problem, whatever.
@KwikPwn: Check out the second-to-last and last questions/answers in the FAQ. Short answer: it's tied to your Gamertag/PSN ID and your EA Account.
Awesome if your the kind of gamer that waits to play get a game when its on sale or the price goes down because its used you get punished with a $10 price tag for online effectively defeating used games. I love how the gaming community gets all kinds of things imposed on them all the time but since we are all at each others throats over consoles and gaming preferences their is no voice and things only get worse with time. DLC, stuff that used to be rewards for beating games is gone, every fps has some map packs scheduled to come out, pc gamers paying console prices and getting DRM restrictions which never stop pirates, and now we're trying to charge for online on top of online fees if you have say...an xbox. Hmm...I don't see the problem, whatever.
That is pretty outrageous. I understand they are trying to combat used game sales...but I pay for my Gold membership to play online. And EA is trying to say I have to pay more? I'm really surprised Microsoft is willing to let them get away with that.
That is pretty outrageous. I understand they are trying to combat used game sales...but I pay for my Gold membership to play online. And EA is trying to say I have to pay more? I'm really surprised Microsoft is willing to let them get away with that.
I won't defend the used game market, but it's fallacy to say that EA loses money by providing online service for used games. They got their money the first time the disc was bought. The person who initially bought it is no longer playing that EA game online, the bandwidth EA allocated to them transfers with the game. The bandwidth load on EA's servers only increases if more people buy *new* copies of the game.
@ Mike P. But if someone were to buy a used game instead of it new, the company doesnt see the money. If someone bought the game new, and sold it, and that one copy mae it into 10 people's hands, that's 10 potential sales the company lost. I can see where the company is coming from, I just hope it doesnt get much worse (i.e. actual in-game content).
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Oh good. I'm so happy that I get to throw down X dollars a year for Xbox live, and now if I don't buy EA's games new (or pay $10 after buying it used), I can't play them online?
This is money milking, in the worst degree. Since when is online play a PRIVILEGE when buying a game? I can get Xbox Live because of all the other features (I suppose...) but this is complete GARBAGE.
Also, those saying "dur, ha ha, it's just sports who cares"...wait until Metal of Honor and the next Battlefield game do the same thing.
And don't think it'll ever be cheaper. You picked up that copy of Madden 2011 in 2015? Well, DLC doesn't depreciate for some god-only-knows reason, so you STILL have to throw down 10 bucks just to play it online. What the hell.
This is seriously crossing a line. I'm considering boycotting EA games now (both them AND Activision? I'll have nothing left to play!). Gah.
This is money milking, in the worst degree. Since when is online play a PRIVILEGE when buying a game? I can get Xbox Live because of all the other features (I suppose...) but this is complete GARBAGE.
Also, those saying "dur, ha ha, it's just sports who cares"...wait until Metal of Honor and the next Battlefield game do the same thing.
And don't think it'll ever be cheaper. You picked up that copy of Madden 2011 in 2015? Well, DLC doesn't depreciate for some god-only-knows reason, so you STILL have to throw down 10 bucks just to play it online. What the hell.
This is seriously crossing a line. I'm considering boycotting EA games now (both them AND Activision? I'll have nothing left to play!). Gah.
Oh good. I'm so happy that I get to throw down X dollars a year for Xbox live, and now if I don't buy EA's games new (or pay $10 after buying it used), I can't play them online?
This is money milking, in the worst degree. Since when is online play a PRIVILEGE when buying a game? I can get Xbox Live because of all the other features (I suppose...) but this is complete GARBAGE.
Also, those saying "dur, ha ha, it's just sports who cares"...wait until Metal of Honor and the next Battlefield game do the same thing.
And don't think it'll ever be cheaper. You picked up that copy of Madden 2011 in 2015? Well, DLC doesn't depreciate for some god-only-knows reason, so you STILL have to throw down 10 bucks just to play it online. What the hell.
This is seriously crossing a line. I'm considering boycotting EA games now (both them AND Activision? I'll have nothing left to play!). Gah.
This is money milking, in the worst degree. Since when is online play a PRIVILEGE when buying a game? I can get Xbox Live because of all the other features (I suppose...) but this is complete GARBAGE.
Also, those saying "dur, ha ha, it's just sports who cares"...wait until Metal of Honor and the next Battlefield game do the same thing.
And don't think it'll ever be cheaper. You picked up that copy of Madden 2011 in 2015? Well, DLC doesn't depreciate for some god-only-knows reason, so you STILL have to throw down 10 bucks just to play it online. What the hell.
This is seriously crossing a line. I'm considering boycotting EA games now (both them AND Activision? I'll have nothing left to play!). Gah.
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