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EA: Single-player games are 'finished' photo

We all know that online gaming is popular these days, but apparently there are only a few of us left who want to retain some good single-player, story-driven experiences. Electronic Arts appears to have given up on them entirely, with EA Games president Frank Gibeau claiming the days of such games are over.

"It's one of my core cultural studio values to allow developers to decide more on what they want to build," he explains. "And a studio's creative call needs to be balanced against a commercial imperative, and if you look at online these days - that's the place to be.

"I volunteer you to speak to EA's studio heads; they'll tell you the same thing. They're very comfortable moving the discussion towards how we make connected gameplay -- be it co-operative or multiplayer or online services -- as opposed to fire-and-forget, packaged goods only, single-player, 25-hours-and you're out. I think that model is finished. Online is where the innovation, and the action, is at."

Frankly, I think it's a terrible idea for developers to focus so heavily on multiplayer, chiefly because gamers only have a finite amount of time and they spend it with a finite amount of games. Most gamers find a small handful of online games and spend all their time getting good at them. When you're trying to train on Halo or COD or Killzone, why would you stop to play Overlord's online mode or Dark Sector's? It's ludicrous. 

Single-player isn't dead, but many games will be if they focus entirely on multiplayer. 

Single player only games 'are finished' - EA [CVG]








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delta2kbr's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:06
delta2kbr
Funny. It worked for God Of War.
Chris Carter's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:06
Chris Carter
The direction they're moving Dead Space 2 into kind of scares me. They said that Isaac would get all these seemingly overpowered psychic abilities, and it looks like they went the way of RE5 - making it a testosterone filled shooter.

Except with RE5, it worked. Dead Space was one of the last true survival horror games left though, so I hope it doesn't go balls out.

Either way, Japanese developers have something to say about "single player being dead". Demon's Souls found a way to make an entirely "single player game", and incorporate multiplayer elements flawlessly. Western Developers are just saying this because they love that possible Call of Duty money. Except EA doesn't make Call of Duty quality games, AND the Call of Duty series has excellent single player campaigns. Come to think of it, make a good multiplayer game, EA.
ErrolGames's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:08
ErrolGames
Depends on what they mean by Multiplayer. Demon's Souls is a multiplayer game, but plays like a single player game. If multiplayer finds more ways to incorporate itself into a single player experience then I'm all for it.
Wee SK's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:09
Wee SK
This is rather sad,

I myself am of the minority with no interest in multiplayer games. I enjoy spending a couple nights a week with a game like Oblivion or MGS4 for an hour or two.

If this ridiculous claim becomes true, I might as well forget gaming in the future.
phoebus's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:12
phoebus
I don't even know what to make of this. Singleplayer games may not be capable of selling in the range of whatever the latest Call of Duty is, sure... but then again, neither are most multiplayer-focused games. I think the expectations of publishers like EA are just too high to begin with, and when they don't hit multi-million sales levels with each games, they start searching around for excuses like "oh, needs moar multiplayer."
MailOrderClone's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:12
MailOrderClone
I for one prefer my games without hooting racists bellowing insults into my ears. So if EA is going to stop focusing on single-player games, I'm going to show them the error of their ways by not purchasing their games.

But of course, they're going to come up with another excuse for the lack of sales in the wake of this. Piracy, for example. Just so long as it doesn't admit that EA themselves are being idiots.
seanileus's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:14
seanileus
When I heard about online play possibly being in Dead Space 2, I wrote it off as stupid, like the rumor about online Shadow of the Colossus.
Fugly Duckling's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:16
Fugly Duckling
What about Fallout? Or Alan Wake? Or Super Mario Galaxy 2? Or Kirby's Epic Yarn? Or THE FIRST DEAD SPACE?!

The model's not dead. They're just trying to stop used games by including multiplayer, whether or not it's warranted.
Chongomaster's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:16
Chongomaster
What about Half life? Or The Fallouts? Or Super Mario Bros? Certain games and genres do benefit from online modes, but imagine something like Monkey Island multiplayer
xddga's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:17
xddga
In some respects, he's right. And it's very sad... however, I think this push is mainly just by the publishers more then it is by the gamers. We seriously do not need a co-op or online mode in every game. Sure, multiplayer is fun, but lot of times I just want to sit down, relax, and go through a single player experience without having to worry about dealing with other people. And sterling made a good point. Why should we buy and play multiple copies of "online only games", when they are all the same? especially when you have asinine leveling requirements in each one.
skyler88's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:17
skyler88
This is EA people. They are beyond out of touch with reality. They are a powerhouse publisher though, so hopefully this won't affect how other companies look at single player only games. TESV amirite?!?!
MAConcep00's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:17
MAConcep00
If you ask me, that's just a copout from trying to put some effort into writing a good story to accompany (in EA's case, potentially) a good game.

While I still feel that gameplay is paramount to making a good game, entertainment these days require a certain level of plausibility and originality, which would be explained in the game's backstory. Remove that backstory, and the game becomes unbelievable, pointless and unoriginal.

EA gave themselves a good shot in the mouth for saying that single-player story-driven games are done for.
Fugly Duckling's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:19
Fugly Duckling
Damn, I forgot to add my favorite game of this year to the list of great single player stuff: Mass Effect 2 (Published by EA)
Isay Isay's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:21
Isay Isay
Since the mechanics of multiplayer games nowadays is to reward the player with more perks/items/etc the more time they put into, there is no way this strategy can work in the long term. If EVERY game EA releases will have some sort of multiplayer aspect to it, they'll end up screwing themselves trying to get the player to move to each new experience.

I for one prefer the single-player experience since that's pretty much all I have time for these days with everything else going on in my life.
Darckcloud723's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:21
Darckcloud723
EA better not mess with Bioware. I like my personal adventures.
smoger's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:22
smoger
Alot of people thought the same thing when Unreal Tournament and Quake 3 Arena were all the rage.

Turns out, MP only games were a passing trend.
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:23
Nic128
Atlus would like to have a word with you.
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:25
Excel-2011
As would NIS.
Occams electric toothbrush's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:26
Occams electric toothbrush
Nope, don't agree with this at all. Maybe this is what EA wants to do as their business model but it seems ridiculous and short-sighted to call single-player games finished.
Fugly Duckling's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:27
Fugly Duckling
@smoger

WoW and CoD would like to have a word with you.
the guy with the hat's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:27
the guy with the hat
He *does* realise ME2 was published by EA right?
kainsec's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:28
kainsec
Funny how many of my favorite games in this generation didn't have multiplayer, Bioshock, God of War 3, DMC4, Fallout 3 and NV, and Dead Space. Multiplayer also isn't very innovated I have been playing the same 5 or 6 variants of game modes on FPS for the last decade with a game that is marginally if at all different from a FPS released 2 to 3 years ago. If they want to go down this single player is dead and Mutltiplayer is innovative they really ought to make a game like Demon Souls which had a multiplayer experience that still felt like a single player experience and was innovative instead of tacking on multiplayer to everything even games that should not have multiplayer *cough* Bioshock 2 *cough*.
pokota's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:28
pokota
If this means everything will be multi-player oriented, with a short single-player campaign tacked on as an after-thought, then I'll be finished with gaming. I have very little interest in that, and will only buy games if they offer a good single-player experience.

I just spent over a hundred hours on Fallout: New Vegas, a single-player game with an immense amount of content, a high replay value, and no multi-player. This is also a model that works, and works very well.

Then again, EA does publish BioWare games, which do try to connect you to the web without leaning on multi-player, though sometimes in silly ways. If that's all me means, then it's annoying as crap, but not so bad. But if you do stop making long, quality single-player experiences, EA, then I'll have to buy my games elsewhere.
Benjamin Dubroca's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:28
Benjamin Dubroca
He said "online". Not just multiplayer:

"be it co-operative or multiplayer or online services -- as opposed to fire-and-forget, packaged goods only, single-player, 25-hours-and you're out"

They may emphasize the multiplayer a lot because its a band-aid, but what he said there was "online services" also, which means they don't want to just put out a single-player disc and walk away from it. They want to support it afterwards with good DLC, because people are becoming big happy buyers for DLC, especially additional campaign time (like Borderlands and Fallout 3 which added a lot of additional game-time).

Sure, they will add more multiplayer to games, and I'm sure a lot will feel tacked on, but what EA has said to me is that at least they will support that multiplayer if people choose to flock to it, and at the very least improve it over time, and if people love the single-player, then they're gonna support that too.
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:31
LittleBigD
All hail singleplayer!!!!! Sad the day will be when imaginative storylines, game worlds, and characters are abandoned for repainted combat arenas, and reskinned combat characters.
Bakewell's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:32
Bakewell
@skyler

So out of touch with reality their games still sell well and they still make money.

@everybody moaning
You don't have to suffer ea's choices, just don't play their games and cut the melodramatics. You will live longer.
Claptrap's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:34
Claptrap
That's bs. Just like all the mmos that came after World of Warcraft and tanked. Why? Because everybody was STILL playing World of Warcraft. EA is sure welcome to lose a lot of cash and find out the hard way. Whatever.
elchippo's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:35
elchippo
I seriously have no interest in MP for Dead Space 2, it looks like a less good version of Left 4 Dead, but I still plan to get it at some point, just for the SP. I guess that puts me in the minority. Sadface.
Lunacy's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:37
Lunacy
"We'll allow our studies the freedom to create what they want - as long as they want to create what we want and it makes us money"
JooJooFace's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:39
JooJooFace
Sadly I don't think I remember any EA games with a decent single player. I prefer single player games, unless its like Left4Dead and the entire experience changes by communicating with other survivors
DeusPayne's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:40
DeusPayne
Remember 10 years ago, when PC games first came out with multiplayer, and everyone said single player was dead?
Everyday Legend's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:46
Everyday Legend
How to look like EA:
1.) Open mouth wide
2.) Insert foot deep

Done.

Games I've enjoyed the most this year: Basara, DKC Returns, Muramasa, Arkham Asylum, Pac-Man CE DX, Mass Effect 2...all of them have been strictly single-player experiences for me, and rather rewarding at that. Oh, and Fallout isn't selling like hotcakes because it's a multiplayer killfest, it's because a SINGLE player can lose themselves in a world for large amounts of time. Think before you speak, EA.
trueb7ue's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:47
trueb7ue
Nearly a pure single player gamer.

Although I do partake in the occasional SSFIV, MonHun, and Mario Kart online.

Am I bad person?
Stevil's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:47
Stevil
I'm not a fan of MP most of the time. You basically get a six month window of opportunity to play these things. Even it's good and unless it's huge, most will move on to the next hyped game and you're left in the lurch. I guess it's hard to care about single player when you can just pick up a bunch of short-term sales from a winning formula every few months.
acsguitar's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:50
acsguitar
I play games for the singleplayer. I have too much stuff on my plate to spend time organizing friends to play co-op and online is just a quick diversion for me. SP ftw
ProperlyParanoid's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:52
ProperlyParanoid
That is stupid. EA is stupid. Simples as that.
KwikPwn's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:53
KwikPwn
I'm a fan of shared co-operative experiences, I think they represent the next gaming frontier.

I don't think single player is going anywhere, but it will pale in comparison to playing co-operative campaign type scenarios with friends.

Besides, nothing ever really goes away. Take a look at 2D platformers this gen.
Startyde's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:55
Startyde
This is the mindset resulting in shoddy games in general. Jim is spot on here, companies see Call of Duty selling billions and they think "Oh wow, everyone loves online." No you toolbag hicks, they love Call of Duty!! If you're not in the top 3, then your game's multiplayer lags behind and is dead within a year.

Mark my words, Dead Space 2 is going to SUCK compared to part 1. Nearly everything you have seen for it has been been focused on the multiplayer, which means the single player is a second thought and will probably be akin to Force Unleashed II, a rushed mess of what should have been decent ideas.

That's why, imo, games like Mass Effect, Heavy Rain, God of War do so well, and execute amazing. They concentrate on what they're trying to achieve without worrying out how they're gonne let players tea bag each other from accross the world.
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:55
Dv8thwonder
EA is the enemy of the future.
wildcatfan87's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:56
wildcatfan87
god I hate forced online

and even more forced co-op ( ie like re 5 where If you play alone your screwed at enjyoing the game)

now more online like demons souls I would like more with....why has no one fallowed after this.....


god I hope they don't ruin mass effect or dragon age with this
MooseyMcMan's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 09:58
MooseyMcMan
Doesn't EA publish the Dragon Age and Mass Effect games? I know there's plenty of rumors going around about Mass Effect getting multiplayer (and I can see how that might be only mildly bad), but I'm pretty sure Dragon Age 2 is still single player only. So either EA isn't well coordinated, or they're tacking on multiplayer to Dragon Age and Mass Effect.
Disemvowel's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 10:05
Disemvowel
SP games are not dead...SP games at $60 USD are dead. They mistake our lack of purchasing four-hour SP games for a ludicrous amount of money as our lack of wanting SP games. I liked Enslaved, it simply was no where worth $60. $30? Sure.
Fearzone's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 10:08
Fearzone
That's fine. EA can leave out single-player and watch sales go down the toilet. All good.
Sir Legendhead's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 10:08
Sir Legendhead
I'm not seeing how adding multiplayer to the next Mass Effect could be anything but a mistake.

Unless they make two separate titles. One could wrap up the existing trilogy as a single player game, and the other could introduce a multiplayer series based around the First Contact War...yeah, that might work.
Zohtropei's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 10:08
Zohtropei
I worry that games which don't suit any kind of MP gameplay will cease to be made. I couldn't imagine Alan Wake having an online co-op or a survival mode (although the gun gameplay is pretty awesome).
WesternGamer1000's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 10:08
WesternGamer1000
@MooseyMcMan

EA just doesn't publish Bioware, they own Bioware. This really worries me. I don't mind MP off-shoot games, like a Mass Effect: First Contact, but hopefully they leave the main series alone.
xipetotec's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 10:11
xipetotec
I *mostly* play single player.
SKSith's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 10:12
SKSith
I love single player. I don't care to much for multi-player.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 12/08/2010 10:15
RenegadePanda
No. Just...no.

Come the fuck on, EA, you brought us two of this generations best single player experiences (Mirror's Edge and Dead Space). Now you're saying it's dead? I'm playing DS2 for single player, and single player only.

I want story and immersion. Not soulless team deathmatch clones and a billion other modes that no one will play more than a month after release.
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