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I'm still going to buy Mass Effect 3, but I'll torrent the actual game so I won't have to go through Origin.
Funny thing is, when the BF3 sales come in and they're abysmal because of all this crap EA is pulling? They're going to blame us, the gamers. They're going to say we're only interested in CoD. They're going to say the majority of PC owners torrented it instead of buying, so then they'll pull out even more restrictive DRM which, in turn, will cause even more gamers to opt to torrent it. EA really has no idea.
Funny thing is, when the BF3 sales come in and they're abysmal because of all this crap EA is pulling? They're going to blame us, the gamers. They're going to say we're only interested in CoD. They're going to say the majority of PC owners torrented it instead of buying, so then they'll pull out even more restrictive DRM which, in turn, will cause even more gamers to opt to torrent it. EA really has no idea.
Well fuck that.
I'll wait until they released BF3 without this arrogant crap, if they ever do. Else it's easy; not buying it at all.
I'll wait until they released BF3 without this arrogant crap, if they ever do. Else it's easy; not buying it at all.
That's it EA, I am now pirating Battlefield 3 and it's all YOUR FAULT!
...kidding. But honestly, this is ridiculous. It's really unfortunate that all the hard work that DICE went into developing the game is being out to shame by the publisher.
...kidding. But honestly, this is ridiculous. It's really unfortunate that all the hard work that DICE went into developing the game is being out to shame by the publisher.
The actual terms. Please note the last sentence:
"You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION."
...There's your option to opt out. Just don't install it.
"You agree that EA may collect, use, store and transmit technical and related information that identifies your computer (including the Internet Protocol Address), operating system, Application usage (including but not limited to successful installation and/or removal), software, software usage and peripheral hardware, that may be gathered periodically to facilitate the provision of software updates, dynamically served content, product support and other services to you, including online services. EA may also use this information combined with personal information for marketing purposes and to improve our products and services. We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you. IF YOU DO NOT WANT EA TO COLLECT, USE, STORE, TRANSMIT OR DISPLAY THE DATA DESCRIBED IN THIS SECTION, PLEASE DO NOT INSTALL OR USE THE APPLICATION."
...There's your option to opt out. Just don't install it.
Okay EA, I just won't buy any more EA games for PC, it's really that simple. EA, just an FYI, you are losing about $150-200 of monetary support from me per year now and I'm sure I'm not the only one.
Steam also has this BUT they made a big announcement when they did it, and they gave you the option to say no (and didn't hide it or anything, I actually think it is disabled by default.)
@ Elsa
to be perfectly honest, i don't give a shit what data STEAM collects as long as it's anonymous. i actually trust valve. i absolutely DO NOT trust EA to do anything remotely honourable, and i'm certain they would happily sell my dissertation report, and track me down for using NOCD cracks on their software if i gave them the chance.
to be perfectly honest, i don't give a shit what data STEAM collects as long as it's anonymous. i actually trust valve. i absolutely DO NOT trust EA to do anything remotely honourable, and i'm certain they would happily sell my dissertation report, and track me down for using NOCD cracks on their software if i gave them the chance.
Agreeing to that would give EA the freedom to search your PC for whatever they want. And use it for whatever they want! This is beyond disgusting!! This have to be the most intrusive EULA ever created. EA continues to fuck up. Anyone who agrees to this is a complete and utter fool. It has nothing to do with not having anything to hide. It has to do with EA thinking you have no right to privacy. It's their blatant disrespect for the consumer and the overall arrogance in their language sone should have issue with.
EA...Fuck you!
EA...Fuck you!
Another reason for me to hate EA as a publisher ans distributor of games. I thought Activision were bad for having a 'favourite' platform- Xbox- but this is stupid, excluding PC gamers from playing what looks to be a very good FPS.
Agreeing to that would give EA the freedom to search your PC for whatever they want. And use it for whatever they want! This is beyond disgusting!! This have to be the most intrusive EULA ever created. EA continues to fuck up. Anyone who agrees to this is a complete and utter fool. It has nothing to do with not having anything to hide. It has to do with EA thinking you have no right to privacy. It's their blatant disrespect for the consumer and the overall arrogance in their language sone should have issue with.
EA...Fuck you!
EA...Fuck you!
@Coudoroy turtle
Don't east your bandwidth PMing me. I think you approached the whole situation like a dick. You asked me for some DLC I was giving away. We were friends on live. I gave it to you and then you delete me. That's the definition of a dick head:) The end.
Don't east your bandwidth PMing me. I think you approached the whole situation like a dick. You asked me for some DLC I was giving away. We were friends on live. I gave it to you and then you delete me. That's the definition of a dick head:) The end.
DAMN IT!
i pre-ordered Star Wars the old republic from Origin.
should had pre-order the disc instead of digital download
i pre-ordered Star Wars the old republic from Origin.
should had pre-order the disc instead of digital download
Well, I guess this makes my choice between BF3 and rage a little easier... but picking is still hard... I hate having so little cash...
leave it to the internet to bitch about things that are in the very same things they praise. seriously this is on steam (optional but on steam) people are only bitching because "ea and origin ar teh wurst thing evur!!!"
@TheNephilym There's just one problem with that...if you want any of EA's new games on PC, you have to download the shitware that is Origin. It's a losing situation for both us gamers and for DICE. We get Spyware, restrictive-as-all-hell DRM, and crap EA services, and DICE loses hundreds if not thousands of customers to piracy.
FUCK YOU ELECTRONIC ARTS.
FUCK YOU ELECTRONIC ARTS.
And yet again the PC master race is bent over the barrell.
You all wonder why games sell so many copies on the PS3 and Xbox 360, look no further.
When I buy a game, I pop it in an play, BF3 on my PS3 will n0t harvest my info, MW3 is not going to automatically opt me into 3rd party marketing on Xbox.
I have just got back into PC gaming (with Deus Ex HR being my first in years) but it is shit like this that is only going to push me back into the arms of the consoles.
You all wonder why games sell so many copies on the PS3 and Xbox 360, look no further.
When I buy a game, I pop it in an play, BF3 on my PS3 will n0t harvest my info, MW3 is not going to automatically opt me into 3rd party marketing on Xbox.
I have just got back into PC gaming (with Deus Ex HR being my first in years) but it is shit like this that is only going to push me back into the arms of the consoles.
I just paid $22,87 for an iPad2-64GB and my girlfriend loves her Panasonic Lumix GF 1 Camera that we got for $38,76 there arriving tomorrow by UPS. I will never pay such expensive retail prices in stores again. Especially when I also sold a 40 inch LED TV to my boss for $675 which only cost me $71,32 to buy. Here is the website we use to get it all from, Meta Cent. com
This is what happens when you try to play video games on a machine that is supposed to store the mom's recipes and dad's spread sheets.
if it makes you sleep better at night then sure im the biggest EA fanboy there is for telling it like it is. you keep crying about how bf3 is not going to sell because its not on steam while i keep playing it ok :)?
@jonb
Little late to the party huh? Maybe you should read the comments before posting.
*obligatory fuck each remark* cuz honestly, that's all I can say anymore. I'm actually literally exhausted about bitching about origin. Bf3 has fallen so far off my radar at this point that its not even on the fucking map anymore.
God, I was so looking forward to this game too. Fuck!
Little late to the party huh? Maybe you should read the comments before posting.
*obligatory fuck each remark* cuz honestly, that's all I can say anymore. I'm actually literally exhausted about bitching about origin. Bf3 has fallen so far off my radar at this point that its not even on the fucking map anymore.
God, I was so looking forward to this game too. Fuck!
Have you guys ever read the EULA for Windows? Apple? Punkbuster? AV suites? For some programs to actually do their job they have to search for specific programs. I'm not agreeing with it...but if we actually took a stand against the majority of these invasive EULAs, then we wouldn't be using a computer.
You're fooling yourself if you think you're anonymous on-line to begin with and not buying BF3 isn't going to protect you from the evil eyes of the intarwebs.
You're fooling yourself if you think you're anonymous on-line to begin with and not buying BF3 isn't going to protect you from the evil eyes of the intarwebs.
Holy shit. So EA is not satisfied with people just buying and playing the game they publish. They want to be told how to do their jobs? (i.e. this info will help their goddamn marketers and marketing partners and advertisers try to sell you more of their shit.) I seriously cannot believe that it has come to this. I LOVED EA back in the days of the Bard's Tale series and Legacy of the Ancients and such. Somewhere along the line they got way too big for their britches. They actually think that so many people want to play their games that they will voluntarily join into to this prison camp focus group?? Fuck that. "Please don't install or use the application"? Ok, I was going to buy this and now I DEFINITELY WILL NOT. If they do this with Mass Effect 3 shit will really hit the fan. Boycott will be far too weak a word.
@Edward Finer
Yeah, that was kind of my point. They say if you don't want it then don't install it. I think that's exactly what way to handle it. Don't buy their games and fuck 'em.
Yeah, that was kind of my point. They say if you don't want it then don't install it. I think that's exactly what way to handle it. Don't buy their games and fuck 'em.
One of the biggest problems with this whole EA vs. Origin thing is that Valve is intentionally vague in their EULA while EA is very specific.
I think I was the last one to hold out, and still plan on buying it anyway. But this is the last straw.
Hardcore Battlefield fan, and you lost a sale.
Hardcore Battlefield fan, and you lost a sale.
There was a lot i was willing to put up with from Origin, but this is too much. Still gonna get battlefield 3 however. I'll just wait until there's a no origin crack and go from there.
@Elsa
I don't know where you got that "Steam-Eula" but it is wrong
http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/english/
I don't know where you got that "Steam-Eula" but it is wrong
http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/english/
In my opinion, Origins is a terrible program for many reasons. I know the program itself is still its infancy, (I knew all too well how Steam was at first, good luck trying to add friends or communicate with others) but I greatly dislike the fact that EA will not come to an agreement with Steam in order to allow BF3.
What the fuck... EA has those SAME terms for their software sold through steam:
http://storefront.steampowered.com/eula_testapp17390/english.html
http://storefront.steampowered.com/eula_testapp17390/english.html
@Dreggsao... it's Steam's Privacy Agreement rather than the EULA which is more applicable when discussing privacy issues.
http://www.valvesoftware.com/privacy.html
http://www.valvesoftware.com/privacy.html
So if I don't want to jump through EA's hoops and suck their dick with my computer, I have to buy the console version with it's shithole graphics and shithole online. I suppose you've convinced me not to buy it at all EA. Thanks for saving me $60.
@Dreggsao... it's Steam's Privacy Agreement rather than the EULA which is more applicable when discussing privacy issues.
http://www.valvesoftware.com/privacy.html
http://www.valvesoftware.com/privacy.html
Well, I guess im not buying 2143 today! Im uninstalling this crap now. I cant run BF3 on this PC anyway, I dont need Origin. BYE ORIGIN YOU SLY, SELFISH BASTARD!
I have created my own content distribution service. It's a bear. You subscribe by poking it with a stick.
I hope to rival Origin in a matter of days.
I hope to rival Origin in a matter of days.
I just went from building a super computer so it can run BF3 on ultra to not buying BF3 for my PC. Unless this changes, I am not interested.
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