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Seriously, though, this sucks. Hard. I'm really glad I gave up on Origin after the fucked up install process I went through.
Seriously, though, this sucks. Hard. I'm really glad I gave up on Origin after the fucked up install process I went through.
Well, no Battlefield 3 for me then. I even had Origin on my system. I don't mind a little DRM if it's not too pushy or restrictive, but I draw the line at Spyware.
Well it's EA.. but the next time they want to release spyware it would be good to release it in something that someone would want to install, else it's no use.
@ Dhaos
Because a company snooping around your entire computer, not just the files and programs it placed upon your computer, is a complete invasion of privacy. Worse, you have no other options and so they hold their Origin exclusive software hostage on PC.
Sure, Valve does something similar. But they also give you the option to turn it off and the agreement, IIRC, only applies to those files that Steam has installed on the computer.
Because a company snooping around your entire computer, not just the files and programs it placed upon your computer, is a complete invasion of privacy. Worse, you have no other options and so they hold their Origin exclusive software hostage on PC.
Sure, Valve does something similar. But they also give you the option to turn it off and the agreement, IIRC, only applies to those files that Steam has installed on the computer.
@drakkai- I'm certainly not. They've done nothing to appease PC gamers thus far, and many companies see DD as STRICTLY an anti piracy device. Yes, Steam can have its problems for some, but the intent was not to prevent piracy. It was to provide a service.
why...why do they make it so damn difficult to just play a damn mother F*&^%# game!?
I just want to play a video game with my friends without installing all this shitware EA makes us use.
I am seriously considering not buying Battlefield 3 now.
They really don't want my money do they?
/rant
I just want to play a video game with my friends without installing all this shitware EA makes us use.
I am seriously considering not buying Battlefield 3 now.
They really don't want my money do they?
/rant
Oh man, I was so pumped to pay FULL PRICE for digital copies of games that I can't return, lend or sell to someone later on and play them with hundreds of other Origin users or by myself but having to be persistently online because of DRM.
Now you're telling me Origin uses Spyware? WTF!??! NO WAY EA! YOU ALMOST HAD ME!
Now you're telling me Origin uses Spyware? WTF!??! NO WAY EA! YOU ALMOST HAD ME!
Actually, Steam is different. According to Steam's EULA, you don't agree to as much, and it is much less vague. Steam is very specific in what sort of information you let them use - your gameplay stats, forum info, an anything you voluntarily put on your profile. It doesn't include anything about your internet browsing habits or what software is on your PC.
Steam does do a hardware survey, but they don't sell that information. It's publicly available http://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey, the data is collected anonymously, and you can opt out of it.
Origin doesn't let you opt out of this, it's tied to your account so they can market to you, and then they sell this information to 3rd parties.
There is a big difference.
It makes sense that a publisher would want to know this information, and it's good for developers to know what kind of hardware people have. But don't sell it, and don't force me to be a part of it.
Origin doesn't let you opt out of this, it's tied to your account so they can market to you, and then they sell this information to 3rd parties.
There is a big difference.
It makes sense that a publisher would want to know this information, and it's good for developers to know what kind of hardware people have. But don't sell it, and don't force me to be a part of it.
"your only recourse is to not install Origin -- which will mean you can't play Battlefield 3 on PC at all, unless you download an illegal release which will come DMR free and cost 100% less than the Origin price."
fixed that for you.
fixed that for you.
Ah come on, I'm really doubting if I will buy this game or not. It's probably brilliant, but is it worth all this bullshit?
Umm Umm. This actually may just convince me to cancel my pre-order for this game lol. And I juat paid that off 5 days ago. Ah well.
Damn you EA I am putting together one hell of a pc for BF 3 and now you pull this on me???
Lets see if we can get enough outrage to get them to take it out because I need 64 player BF3...I just need it but I wont be putting spyware on my pc to get it...
Lets see if we can get enough outrage to get them to take it out because I need 64 player BF3...I just need it but I wont be putting spyware on my pc to get it...
Wow, i was willing to put up with most of origin's problems but now.... This software is going to be more trouble than walking to a physical store. ADD VALUE you muppets at EA, look at steam and shamelessly copy and you will do ok. I had been looking foward to bc3 since bc2 but now i simply won't buy it :( if it comes with with this malware which is all origin is at this point.
Pretty sticky situation EA's got themselves into here. I really just feel bad for DICE, they have what looks to be an incredible game and yet they have to deal with EA's BS methods.
Prepare to hear something come from EA's Public Relations department soon, trying to sweet talk their way out of this. You know it will happen.
Prepare to hear something come from EA's Public Relations department soon, trying to sweet talk their way out of this. You know it will happen.
[egregiousantiorigincomment]This is EA we're talking about here, and they've never been a particularly bright bunch. Origin will find Origin on your computer, and then try to sell you Origin while you run Origin. Advertising Origin on Origin is proof that Origin is just a ploy to get you to buy Origin.[/egregiousantiorigincomment]
The preceding Anti Origin Comment was brought to you by State Farm Insurance. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.
The preceding Anti Origin Comment was brought to you by State Farm Insurance. Like a good neighbor, State Farm is there.
I installed origin when I found out I could add some of my retail games to the account. Now that they're on my account I'll delete origin from my computer hopefully forever. Good to know the games are backed up there in case I lose them, but hopefully won't have to deal with this crap ever.
"By using Valve's online sites and products, users agree that Valve may collect aggregate information, individual information, and personally identifiable information, as defined below. Valve may share aggregate information and individual information with other parties."
... it's sort of the same thing as what Steam does. Not sure what all the fuss and/or hate is about. In fact it seems that EA's privacy agreement is a bit more specific than the generalities in Steam's ... which is not such a bad thing.
... it's sort of the same thing as what Steam does. Not sure what all the fuss and/or hate is about. In fact it seems that EA's privacy agreement is a bit more specific than the generalities in Steam's ... which is not such a bad thing.
I know people on here are saying "I'm going to cancel my preorder" or "no buy from me", but I just canceled my preorder over this. EA, this is unacceptable. You will not be getting money from me. I'm putting my money where my mouth is, and switching my preorder over to Sonic Generations.
Figures most people wouldn't bother to actually read it: "We may also share that data with our third party service providers in a form that does not personally identify you". The rest is nothing really unexpected from an online service.
@Elsa
Observe my earlier comment in the thread and Joshua's comment immediately after. Steam's EULA is different in this regard.
Observe my earlier comment in the thread and Joshua's comment immediately after. Steam's EULA is different in this regard.
@Elsa
The difference is that Steam is only referring the information that you give them. They don't scan your computer to find out what kind of software you are using unless you agree to one of their random system surveys. And in the event of said survey you are given TWO options to decline out while EA apparently gives you none.
The difference is that Steam is only referring the information that you give them. They don't scan your computer to find out what kind of software you are using unless you agree to one of their random system surveys. And in the event of said survey you are given TWO options to decline out while EA apparently gives you none.
I'd still probably buy BF3, to show DICE how much I appreciate them developing games for PC. The developers at least earn my 60 dollars. And then download the crack from the interwebs.
Previously I argued that I welcome healthy competition to Steam, and I honestly thought it would be Origin.
All I can think of when I heard the EA name now is a resounding, stern "piss off". And to think they once published/developed something like Clive Barker's Undying and American McGee's Alice, two of my favourite games last generation.
I hope DICE and Bioware can somehow raise enough money to buy themselves out of the clusterfuck that is EA.
Previously I argued that I welcome healthy competition to Steam, and I honestly thought it would be Origin.
All I can think of when I heard the EA name now is a resounding, stern "piss off". And to think they once published/developed something like Clive Barker's Undying and American McGee's Alice, two of my favourite games last generation.
I hope DICE and Bioware can somehow raise enough money to buy themselves out of the clusterfuck that is EA.
@Elsa
There's also the fact that EA isn't exactly known for being the most trustworthy individuals. Anybody remember Bobby Kotick talking about how to best "exploit" franchises?
Anyone care to guess how he's going to "exploit" any information he gathers from your computers?
There's also the fact that EA isn't exactly known for being the most trustworthy individuals. Anybody remember Bobby Kotick talking about how to best "exploit" franchises?
Anyone care to guess how he's going to "exploit" any information he gathers from your computers?
@flintcsci... Valve doesn't specifify what their "aggregate information" is, only that it is "information that describes the habits, usage patterns, and demographics of users as a group but does not describe or reveal the identity of any particular user."... yes, they allow opt out on the use of personally identifying information, but they don't indicate specifically what their aggregate information is, nor do they seem to have an opt out option regarding this.
"demographics" could easily include information such as computer and operating system... "habits" could easily be information such as cookies from various websites. It's all very vague.
"demographics" could easily include information such as computer and operating system... "habits" could easily be information such as cookies from various websites. It's all very vague.
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