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Perhaps this could be First step to having to pay a fee for a game license? So much a month to enjoy the major feature of the game? Subscriptions for a non persistent environment FPS.
Meh, matket will bear it or not. Thankfully I don't do the call of battlefield thing.
Meh, matket will bear it or not. Thankfully I don't do the call of battlefield thing.
This isn't that big of a surprise. FPS' are the top genre in America so you know people will pay whatever to keep enjoying their favorite games. Look at Monster Hunter in Japan. They don't get to play online for free.
Looks like EA is cutting costs these days. It's a shame really I haven't been able to play Madden 95 online since it came out, I was still hoping for those dedicated servers one day :(. Oh wait I have a PC and could if I wanted to go all out. :P
Seriously though, these guys have to stop overspending on budgets. They don't seem too impressed with how much BF3 brought in, apparently convinced they would hit the 10 mil range to rival COD.
Also the recent BioWare blunders, if you will, have not helped the stock price.
If you want to develop games for the money, you cannot spend the amount it would cost to sell 2+ mil copies on development. There's so little room to gain. Especially when you lose customer satisfaction from having to cut costs in the end and down the road to save a project from hemorrhaging more cash.
Sales[Word of mouth (Happy customers - Unsatisfied Customers)] - (Manufacturing Costs + Development Costs + Ongoing Costs) = Profit
That doesn't even factor in DLC production, pricing and many other factors such as the cost to publish on a console. My point is that there is many more ways to go wrong than there are to go right.
I suppose it doesn't help that I haven't seen an original IP come from them lately that has not been a gameplay clone of another great selling IP.
Dante's Inferno - God of War
Star Wars: The Old Republic - World of Warcraft
Dead Space - Resident Evil 4
The Godfather - Grand Theft Auto 3
Army of Two - Gears of War
I'm avoiding putting some others now that I'm looking considering Crysis, Shadows of the Damned, and a few others aren't necessarily "in house" or generally overseen/pushed by EA.
I think though that there isn't a lot of money to also be made from putting your finger in everyone else's pie. That is unless you do it better, and everyone else knows it.
Seriously though, these guys have to stop overspending on budgets. They don't seem too impressed with how much BF3 brought in, apparently convinced they would hit the 10 mil range to rival COD.
Also the recent BioWare blunders, if you will, have not helped the stock price.
If you want to develop games for the money, you cannot spend the amount it would cost to sell 2+ mil copies on development. There's so little room to gain. Especially when you lose customer satisfaction from having to cut costs in the end and down the road to save a project from hemorrhaging more cash.
Sales[Word of mouth (Happy customers - Unsatisfied Customers)] - (Manufacturing Costs + Development Costs + Ongoing Costs) = Profit
That doesn't even factor in DLC production, pricing and many other factors such as the cost to publish on a console. My point is that there is many more ways to go wrong than there are to go right.
I suppose it doesn't help that I haven't seen an original IP come from them lately that has not been a gameplay clone of another great selling IP.
Dante's Inferno - God of War
Star Wars: The Old Republic - World of Warcraft
Dead Space - Resident Evil 4
The Godfather - Grand Theft Auto 3
Army of Two - Gears of War
I'm avoiding putting some others now that I'm looking considering Crysis, Shadows of the Damned, and a few others aren't necessarily "in house" or generally overseen/pushed by EA.
I think though that there isn't a lot of money to also be made from putting your finger in everyone else's pie. That is unless you do it better, and everyone else knows it.
I agree with Mr Andy Dixon.
I want to play A NORMAL FUCKING GAME not a game of rush with 500 tickets or Conquest that lasts 1.5hrs.
I want to play A NORMAL FUCKING GAME not a game of rush with 500 tickets or Conquest that lasts 1.5hrs.
fUCK YOU EA!!!!! I just bought 2 copies of the game and now they have to fleece me for the servers!!!!! From here on out I'm gonna PIRATE each and every EA game. That's a promise!
I also am extremely disappointed in EA. Battlefield 3 is an excellent game. The default rule set was clearly deliberated over, to strike the perfect balance for game play. That is the rule set I want. I did not pay $60 on day one, thinking that EA would yank away the official servers. I never imagined this would happen, and I'll definitely consider whether or not to pay top dollar for another EA game based around multiplayer.
I'm a huge fan of Battlefield but EA just fucked it in the ass. By killing off the official servers, they have lost the ability to control the experience that their users will have. All it takes is a shitty experience to sour the thoughts of a person on your game.
and this is why i hate EA,
next thing you know you will have to spend real money to unlock the guns...... oh crap i might have just gave them even more dlc...... aLtho it probably wont be as bad a Graces dlc 4 dollars for a costume..... and they didnt bring them all over either.
next thing you know you will have to spend real money to unlock the guns...... oh crap i might have just gave them even more dlc...... aLtho it probably wont be as bad a Graces dlc 4 dollars for a costume..... and they didnt bring them all over either.
@SephirothX
Sorry I wasn't stating that one game was objectively better than the other, just doing a quick comparison.
Personally though I'd say: RE4>DS1>RE5 However I haven't played DS2 so I cannot add that in. However I agree if RE continues down the same path it recently started on, I'd have to wholly agree that DS3 will be miles better than RE6 from first glance.
Sorry I wasn't stating that one game was objectively better than the other, just doing a quick comparison.
Personally though I'd say: RE4>DS1>RE5 However I haven't played DS2 so I cannot add that in. However I agree if RE continues down the same path it recently started on, I'd have to wholly agree that DS3 will be miles better than RE6 from first glance.
Welp, Black Ops II just got my money.
And players actually asked for this shit? Appalling. There is no defending EA on this one.
And players actually asked for this shit? Appalling. There is no defending EA on this one.
Yep, the Battlefield experience now is frequently:
Join Rush game > see 200-500 tickets > leave game > repeat.
...or, join Andy Dixon's game > teabag with authority > repeat .
You can search "P24" and find some default rules EA run servers, but the map selection isn't the best.
Join Rush game > see 200-500 tickets > leave game > repeat.
...or, join Andy Dixon's game > teabag with authority > repeat .
You can search "P24" and find some default rules EA run servers, but the map selection isn't the best.
I commend EA. They are consistently screwing people over and that shows real character. Rock on EA; until of course, you make us pay whenever you want to "Rock off".
"Gamers justified the move by happily signing up in droves."
Yeah.. Remember the days where we used to bitch if we didn't get free multiplayer on the PC.. Or if there was even the threat that mulitplayer wouldn't be free.. or even simply for allowing us LAN functions..
Oh wait, that last one was just a few weeks ago for Starcraft players ..
But no, we're content to just throw money at every situation like these companies want us too, when most of us really don't have it, because its easier, or "we can't do anything about it" or whatever other slap-fight way gamers want to justify caving into a publishers bullshit.
Yeah.. Remember the days where we used to bitch if we didn't get free multiplayer on the PC.. Or if there was even the threat that mulitplayer wouldn't be free.. or even simply for allowing us LAN functions..
Oh wait, that last one was just a few weeks ago for Starcraft players ..
But no, we're content to just throw money at every situation like these companies want us too, when most of us really don't have it, because its easier, or "we can't do anything about it" or whatever other slap-fight way gamers want to justify caving into a publishers bullshit.
I remember when I was calling activision pure evil and how ea was our knight in shining armor..... now it's like ea is parodying activision by being more evil then hitler games.
This wouldn't really be an issue if people didn't buy tons of servers and then set them up with shitty 1000 ticket rulesets. I don't see how "server rentals" are evil in and of themselves. Its not a new thing...but since its on console its evil? I think people are getting a little too worked up about this.
Fuck EA fuck battlefield fuck me.......................back to halo and black ops for my shooter fun
EA has fucked their game so hard with this update that it is 99% impossible to play a decent game. I have been a battlefield 3 super fan since release and have put over 160 hours into it. I can't play it at all since the update. I have tried many times.
- I have been kicked after joining.
- I have been kicked after landing a kill on a certain person (The one running the server), who was also winning but had no skill.
- I have been in 3 blowtorch only battles in large epic maps.
- I have been in a 700 700 flag match that never ended, especially since I was in the losing team getting spawn killed at the default start point because we were locked in.
- I have been in games where the map rotation was terran highway, and operation metro, repeat repeat repeat.
This is absolute fucking bullshit. Was the point of the online pass to cover costs for people playing on their servers? Isn't that what they said? Where are those fucking servers now? Peoplay are having to put in an online pass to get into this fucking bullshit that is their multiplayer.. That is horrible.
I was going to buy all 3 expansion packs as well when they came out, not anymore since I can't even play the game.
EA has taken what I felt was the best online multiplayer experience I have ever had in my 2 decades of gaming, and turned it into the worst experience and absolute waste of time that it is now.
I don't understand.
- I have been kicked after joining.
- I have been kicked after landing a kill on a certain person (The one running the server), who was also winning but had no skill.
- I have been in 3 blowtorch only battles in large epic maps.
- I have been in a 700 700 flag match that never ended, especially since I was in the losing team getting spawn killed at the default start point because we were locked in.
- I have been in games where the map rotation was terran highway, and operation metro, repeat repeat repeat.
This is absolute fucking bullshit. Was the point of the online pass to cover costs for people playing on their servers? Isn't that what they said? Where are those fucking servers now? Peoplay are having to put in an online pass to get into this fucking bullshit that is their multiplayer.. That is horrible.
I was going to buy all 3 expansion packs as well when they came out, not anymore since I can't even play the game.
EA has taken what I felt was the best online multiplayer experience I have ever had in my 2 decades of gaming, and turned it into the worst experience and absolute waste of time that it is now.
I don't understand.
"There is only so much physical space and digital space where you can have servers."
What complete and utter bullshit. This is their way of saying "In order for us to do what you want (and paid for), we have to take (free) things away. But, please, keep paying for those servers!"
It seems like EA has gone out of their way the last couple of years to do nothing but fuck their user base.
What complete and utter bullshit. This is their way of saying "In order for us to do what you want (and paid for), we have to take (free) things away. But, please, keep paying for those servers!"
It seems like EA has gone out of their way the last couple of years to do nothing but fuck their user base.
I'm kind of hoping they really fuck up Dead Space 3 so it'll be easier for me to not buy it. Fuck EA, they really are the cancer that is killing gaming (well, one of them).
Battlefield 3 is a failure. This "rental server" crap is just a desperate cash grab by EA because the game failed to do Call of Duty levels of business. By a wide margin. Gamers are pissed at moves like this, and only hardest-of-the-"hardcore" are buying into it. Average gamers are likely going to be fleeing from the game and encouraging those that were once curious to stay away. The fanbase for BF3 can only shrink from here on in. This is just another symptom EA's overall decline. In a few years (though I'm being generous with that estimate) we'll all be reading about EA finally going bankrupt.
Really, one should ask, if BF3 were doing so great, why isn't anyone else (that is incredibly successful) doing this? If Activision doesn't do it with CoD then that alone should illustrate just how desperate EA has become. This is just a desperate cash grab. BF3 is finished.
Really, one should ask, if BF3 were doing so great, why isn't anyone else (that is incredibly successful) doing this? If Activision doesn't do it with CoD then that alone should illustrate just how desperate EA has become. This is just a desperate cash grab. BF3 is finished.
If they're getting rid of their own servers, then they should get rid of the online pass. They say the have to use a pass for server cost, so now that there are no more servers, then no online pass. Fuck EA
As I've thought for quite some time now: Its really hard to believe this, but as this point, Activision is clearly the lesser of two evils.
How is this any different than playing a multiplayer title on PC?
Someone is paying for bandwidth and the pc, I'm logging in for free. If I choose to set up my own server and pay for the bandwidth, it's then free for others.
However, I do agree with the notion that the online pass concept gets dropped when you move to pay servers.
Someone is paying for bandwidth and the pc, I'm logging in for free. If I choose to set up my own server and pay for the bandwidth, it's then free for others.
However, I do agree with the notion that the online pass concept gets dropped when you move to pay servers.
Most games have more servers than needed for the people playing it this has been the case on the pc version, official servers really are not needed if you got those rented servers. Shame they won't allow real dedicated servers instead of server boxes you rent where there are actually multiple instances of the game running on one server. Those servers are Not dedicated.
well... I traded it in before they neutered it with the update....
wow ea...
@ Chris Carter,
no kidding dude... 'rip off dlc' or not... Activision supports the shit outta that game, you know the community will be there for at LEAST a year, aaaand it actually looks like a decent enough game this time around!
wow ea...
@ Chris Carter,
no kidding dude... 'rip off dlc' or not... Activision supports the shit outta that game, you know the community will be there for at LEAST a year, aaaand it actually looks like a decent enough game this time around!
Battlefield 3 was the last EA product to come into my household (girlfriend bought it) and its going to stay that way, until they get their shit together. No game is worth it's asking price, and all the BS EA pulls with each of its games.
I can understand why Console are upset but this has been going on in the PC world for DECADES and there are plenty of games still thriving. I just see a lot of bitching about having to deal with "heavy handed admins". it's kind of beat they are removing free ones but I don't see this to be a strange thing, I applaud it, I may just finally pick up the game for consoles. This was a "breaking point" for MW2 PC players, lack of dedicated servers, we all know it wasn't.
it's amazing how much i like Activision now. bobby kotick just shuts up and takes my money, and acts decent enough in Moneyball.
EA are fucking badasses! They do not give a fuck! They rape ppl left and right and dont give a fuck about it! I mean they have servers to supply and creat demand themselves by shutting off the official servers! How fucking straight up in you face is that? Its genious! Its like a guy fucking your mom at night and then going to your bedroom, waking you up and telling you "Yo i just fucked your whore of a mom. Your sister is next! Btw i ran over your dog with my car... twice. Good night!". Evil? Yes, but badass!
wtf?!
I like how this kind of thing was never a problem with PC gaming. But as soon as suckers errr console gamers are involved they start charging for everything and getting lazy.
I like how this kind of thing was never a problem with PC gaming. But as soon as suckers errr console gamers are involved they start charging for everything and getting lazy.
Between the cost of consoles, controllers that only last 6 months, games, online passes, DLC, and now servers, I think that I'm going to have to find a less expensive habit. Maybe I'll try heroine or cocaine... But seriously, I used to love Battlefield, I played it exclusively to all other FPS's. Now, I can't stand it because of all the "re-balancing" patches, and server issues. Way to drive away all your customers and ensure any sequel you make will fail.
Ummm.... didn't EA charge for online passes to pay for their servers? So, theoretically, this should mean that the online passes are no longer justifiable in the slightest (implying they ever were).
like duplicitous acts? like trying to earn second hand revenue on a product you already sold? like holding out on content to nickel and dime your loyal customers? like avoiding the use of ethical business practices?
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