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@qlum "So basically to unlock stuff you need the online pass."
I think you'll likely be able to earn credits from single player as well. You'd just get more if you play online with a new copy or pay for the online pass. Just means more work for you if you buy used and refuse to pay online pass is all. What you unlock with the credits may not even be worth it, who knows. The game isn't out yet.
I think you'll likely be able to earn credits from single player as well. You'd just get more if you play online with a new copy or pay for the online pass. Just means more work for you if you buy used and refuse to pay online pass is all. What you unlock with the credits may not even be worth it, who knows. The game isn't out yet.
@qlum
"Economy balance makes it possible to unlock all available content and allows you to participate in all event drops across both Explore and Global Events, with credits earned solely in Explore."
Really? You only had to read four paragraphs...
"Economy balance makes it possible to unlock all available content and allows you to participate in all event drops across both Explore and Global Events, with credits earned solely in Explore."
Really? You only had to read four paragraphs...
So basically, what they are doing is taking that "play for free for a few days, but then you have to buy a pass" thing to the next level, and allowing you to do what Halo let you do if you didn't have XBL gold. You can play a few things online, but that's about it.
It seems like some kind of compromise, but it really isn't. Online passes have no fact based necessity, and there has never been a single shred of evidence in support of publishers claims to the contrary (that I know of), and a glut of evidence pointing at publishers' notions on the subject being dead wrong.
Its brilliant PR spin. Create a problem, overstep your bounds in creating a solution to that problem, then watch as the community sees things like this as compromise.
It seems like some kind of compromise, but it really isn't. Online passes have no fact based necessity, and there has never been a single shred of evidence in support of publishers claims to the contrary (that I know of), and a glut of evidence pointing at publishers' notions on the subject being dead wrong.
Its brilliant PR spin. Create a problem, overstep your bounds in creating a solution to that problem, then watch as the community sees things like this as compromise.
All or nothing.
Shit of get off the pot.
Etc.
Online pass = no buy period, new or used.
The only time EA every used an online pass properly was Alice: Madness Returns and they didn't even fucking market that game properly. It didn't punish, you just didn't get the original game if you bought used. That was fair, the rest of the online pass implementation has been bullshit and its doesn't matter if its mild or severe bullshit - I will not be told how I should buy my games.
Shit of get off the pot.
Etc.
Online pass = no buy period, new or used.
The only time EA every used an online pass properly was Alice: Madness Returns and they didn't even fucking market that game properly. It didn't punish, you just didn't get the original game if you bought used. That was fair, the rest of the online pass implementation has been bullshit and its doesn't matter if its mild or severe bullshit - I will not be told how I should buy my games.
It seems to me like you can do everything and unlock everything with or without the online pass. The pass essentially lets you unlock stuff faster, since you can't earn credits in one of the modes without it (probably the "funnest" mode).
Basically they're just making used buyers work harder?
Because games aren't about having fun, they're about WORK, man.
(I don't even know what point I'm trying to make)
Basically they're just making used buyers work harder?
Because games aren't about having fun, they're about WORK, man.
(I don't even know what point I'm trying to make)
Evergreen: Can you say anything good about this? "It's not as bad as other online passes" is a neutral statement.
People are still being punished for buying used.
People are still being punished for buying used.
You guys do realize what they're doing right? They start off taking everything away and then give you more so that they look like nice guys. Foot-In-The door psychology won't work on me EA.
Oh alright EA. I guess I forced you to own up and apologise. I guess I'll buy SSX after all. But if I find one problem with Online Pass implementation...
Also, purchasable virtual currency. Just sayin'.
Also, purchasable virtual currency. Just sayin'.
Honestly this isn't that bad. It doesn't cripple the game horribly. I'm not actually interested in this game, but if they used this instead it might seem less anti-consumer.
Huh, I wonder if Soul Caliber will have an online pass?
Regardless I have to pre-order tonight as its the only way to unlock one of the characters less you wait for him as dlc at a later date.
That seems like a pretty fair bonus/incentive to by new, not that I would ever buy SC used as I like to support the FGC community every way I can.
Regardless I have to pre-order tonight as its the only way to unlock one of the characters less you wait for him as dlc at a later date.
That seems like a pretty fair bonus/incentive to by new, not that I would ever buy SC used as I like to support the FGC community every way I can.
"This isn't so bad, if you ask me."
Stop making excuses for shitty business practices, you corporate shill.
Stop making excuses for shitty business practices, you corporate shill.
Sorry I'm not sure, I'm pre ordering from GS.
It's my understanding that there is only one pre-order bonus (that character) regardless of wherever you pre-order (ie no site/retail exclusive pre-order bonus like in mk9) so I would assume you get that same pre-order bonus if you pre order from amazon.
Hope that helps, its definitely better than having to wait a month or something to have access to him and then have to pay as well :/
It's my understanding that there is only one pre-order bonus (that character) regardless of wherever you pre-order (ie no site/retail exclusive pre-order bonus like in mk9) so I would assume you get that same pre-order bonus if you pre order from amazon.
Hope that helps, its definitely better than having to wait a month or something to have access to him and then have to pay as well :/
Don't worry, I've decided GAME has the better pre-order DLC, despite being £2 more expensive to buy from there.
That's honestly not a bad deal at all. I don't know what the in-game credits do, but as long as you can still earn them and unlock later or aren't restricted from any of the content when bought used, then I'm fine.
I bet if they changed the name you guys wouldn't get so pissed.
How about "Credit Voucher"? Oh hey, that's not so bad.
How about "Credit Voucher"? Oh hey, that's not so bad.
Allow me to rephrase that:
"If you don't give us money we did absolutely nothing to earn, we're still going to fuck you over, we're just doing it in a different way."
I don't care how you frame it. If you take value out of my products, I'm not going to buy them from you. I haven't bought an EA game in over two years now, and I don't plan on changing that unless they change their anti-consumer business practices that fuck over legitimate consumers.
"If you don't give us money we did absolutely nothing to earn, we're still going to fuck you over, we're just doing it in a different way."
I don't care how you frame it. If you take value out of my products, I'm not going to buy them from you. I haven't bought an EA game in over two years now, and I don't plan on changing that unless they change their anti-consumer business practices that fuck over legitimate consumers.
@Turbokill
You mean the one you probably pirated and has insanely gimped controls?
@The Cast
Lol, the most pointless one, if anything I'd rather have the first game remastered seeing as it got swept under the rug at the PS2's launch.
@The Silent Protagonist
You say that as if you was actually going to buy the game in the first place, LOL
You mean the one you probably pirated and has insanely gimped controls?
@The Cast
Lol, the most pointless one, if anything I'd rather have the first game remastered seeing as it got swept under the rug at the PS2's launch.
@The Silent Protagonist
You say that as if you was actually going to buy the game in the first place, LOL
Wow. Lot of people seem to rely on used games.
Personally this is almost null and void to me, as I'll be getting this new (it is SSX after all!!!) and apart from a little ballache in putting the code in, it won't really effect me.
Still, keep up the fight brothers!
Personally this is almost null and void to me, as I'll be getting this new (it is SSX after all!!!) and apart from a little ballache in putting the code in, it won't really effect me.
Still, keep up the fight brothers!
When my fiancee and I moved out to the Welsh countryside 2 years ago gaming wasn't my main concern. I did a bit of single player on my Xbox and seldom went online.
Right now it's physically impossible to hook my console upto the net, the broadband out here's limited and the 200 year old building I live in doesn't like wifi signals so my xbox is a standalone unit and only gets updates like new dashboards when I buy new games that insist I install them before I can play.
I only ever bought the Xbox for single player, having completed Saints Row 3 recently (bought brand new) I feel short changed, it felt cut short to allow for DLC which I won't get access to, and I couldn't even download the professor Genki Pre-order pack because of my setup.
Now SSX (which i'm a massive fan of) is going to be limited fun because even though i'll be buying the launch game brand new there's no way i'll be able to access parts of the game unless I move house. Crap. I know this is the way things are going but spare a thought for the folk who seriously cannot hook their kit onto the internet even if they wanted to.
Right now it's physically impossible to hook my console upto the net, the broadband out here's limited and the 200 year old building I live in doesn't like wifi signals so my xbox is a standalone unit and only gets updates like new dashboards when I buy new games that insist I install them before I can play.
I only ever bought the Xbox for single player, having completed Saints Row 3 recently (bought brand new) I feel short changed, it felt cut short to allow for DLC which I won't get access to, and I couldn't even download the professor Genki Pre-order pack because of my setup.
Now SSX (which i'm a massive fan of) is going to be limited fun because even though i'll be buying the launch game brand new there's no way i'll be able to access parts of the game unless I move house. Crap. I know this is the way things are going but spare a thought for the folk who seriously cannot hook their kit onto the internet even if they wanted to.
@jimfrog
I feel your pain and am in pretty much the same situation. Those without online access to their consoles are the ones who get screwed the most by this kind of thing (though not really in this case). We're essentially being punished with less content when buying new, which is just all kinds of retarded.
I feel your pain and am in pretty much the same situation. Those without online access to their consoles are the ones who get screwed the most by this kind of thing (though not really in this case). We're essentially being punished with less content when buying new, which is just all kinds of retarded.
Okay. So that raises the question about what these credits are going to be used for in the first place. If it's so we can progress through the game, then that's even worse!
I was going to buy this game at launch, but now there's an online pass attached to it, it'll have to drop significantly in price before I even think about getting it. >.>
I was going to buy this game at launch, but now there's an online pass attached to it, it'll have to drop significantly in price before I even think about getting it. >.>
im also curious. does it mean you need the online pass to use these credits in the game to unlock stuff only in multiplayer?
or can you get credits playing 1 player and use those to unlock stuff?
as long as it doesnt effect my single player modes, i dont care. prob wont be playing this online anyway
or can you get credits playing 1 player and use those to unlock stuff?
as long as it doesnt effect my single player modes, i dont care. prob wont be playing this online anyway
That sounds a whole lot like the oll freemimu pricing scheme to me.
When should I be looking out for F2P SSX with a cash shop?
When should I be looking out for F2P SSX with a cash shop?
Honestly, all this bitching is sad. Buy the game NEW. You are gonna only save $5. Maybe if you buy new, we won't have to wait damn near 10 years to receive a new SSX. Why cry about something over and over. When something is unacceptable to me, I don't buy it.
Also, why is it newsworthy every time an EA title gets an online pass. EA is the person who came up with the concept for console games. Why the hell would you expect anything else. I'll be surprised when they don't include an online pass.
Why does everyone always say you only save $5 if you buy a game used? Why is the assumption that people are buying that $54 version that is on the shelf the week of release. I generally buy used games almost a year after release and generally save a lot more than $5. Though to play devils advocate if you saved 5 bucks on a used title every time you bought one your 12th game is free. I don't really have a problem with the online pass system as long as the penalty isn't too harsh and strips away a major part of the game. If I pay $10 for a copy of Dead Space 2 I got in the bargain bin and the multiplayer isn't active unless I drop a tenner on it I'm not exactly heartbroken. But SSX I will probobly buy new anyways.
@ VitaminShoe
"Why does everyone always say you only save $5 if you buy a game used?"
Because straw men arguments are easier to tear down.
@ FPS Baby Jesus
"why is it newsworthy every time an EA title gets an online pass"
Because some of us want to be kept up to date on what titles to avoid and what new publisher/developer is trying to screw over gamers. It is newsworthy, but you don't have to read it if you don't like it, and you certainly don't have to comment about how it shouldn't be commented on. Shine a light on this stuff I say.
"Why does everyone always say you only save $5 if you buy a game used?"
Because straw men arguments are easier to tear down.
@ FPS Baby Jesus
"why is it newsworthy every time an EA title gets an online pass"
Because some of us want to be kept up to date on what titles to avoid and what new publisher/developer is trying to screw over gamers. It is newsworthy, but you don't have to read it if you don't like it, and you certainly don't have to comment about how it shouldn't be commented on. Shine a light on this stuff I say.
I don't expect to win any 'fight' against EA or anyone with online passes because at this point it is clear that most people are either OK with it or just don't care cause it doesn't effect them. I don't want to spend money on a company I think practices bullshit like this.
Why is that a problem for anyone else? If an online pass doesn't effect you, then why do people feel the need to comment on others who are choosing not to pay? Clearly that doesn't effect 'you' either.
It's funny how much people will say 'speak with your money' and then when it comes to doing that people will tell you that you're whining or bitching.
Why is that a problem for anyone else? If an online pass doesn't effect you, then why do people feel the need to comment on others who are choosing not to pay? Clearly that doesn't effect 'you' either.
It's funny how much people will say 'speak with your money' and then when it comes to doing that people will tell you that you're whining or bitching.
I'm amused by the number of people who didn't read the article. Considering Global Events is AFAIK an online-only mode, the "I have a permanantly offline console" argument (see jimfrog's post) is entirely academic. There's also people in here who are completely wrong (qlum, OneRed etc)
For the benefit of those who haven't researched, in SSX there are a credits system in which if you beat the medal times in Explore mode, you get awarded credits (AFAIK a Gold medal gets you 20,000). You can also get credits for surpassing various targets (e.g. air time, grind time, number of backflips etc), picking up developer placed collectables etc. If you have an online pass, you can also gain credits by beating your friends times and picking up user placed collectables and winning Global Events. You can spend your credits for unlocking courses in Explore mode, and various equipment upgrades and similar stuff.
We shall see how much the lack of online credits will affect used gamers at launch: quite honestly I don't think it will.
For the benefit of those who haven't researched, in SSX there are a credits system in which if you beat the medal times in Explore mode, you get awarded credits (AFAIK a Gold medal gets you 20,000). You can also get credits for surpassing various targets (e.g. air time, grind time, number of backflips etc), picking up developer placed collectables etc. If you have an online pass, you can also gain credits by beating your friends times and picking up user placed collectables and winning Global Events. You can spend your credits for unlocking courses in Explore mode, and various equipment upgrades and similar stuff.
We shall see how much the lack of online credits will affect used gamers at launch: quite honestly I don't think it will.
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