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from what ive read, the game was pulled because you had to buy the dlc from the game and not from steam which valve forbids
If you get the digital version then you can shit all over this piece of junk game. F*** YOU EA on this GARBAGE OF A GAME!
That's still pretty vague.
"Unfortunately, Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to sell downloadable content."
What's are the terms they adopted? and if they're so bad for the developers/ publishers, why is EA the only people taking stuff down? That's far too vague an excuse, especially when Origins just launched and it's pretty clear they see Steam as a competitor.
"Unfortunately, Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to sell downloadable content."
What's are the terms they adopted? and if they're so bad for the developers/ publishers, why is EA the only people taking stuff down? That's far too vague an excuse, especially when Origins just launched and it's pretty clear they see Steam as a competitor.
Basically the same thing they said when Crysis 2 was pulled. I hope they work out this conflict of policy they are having. =[
If it wasn't just EA's games getting pulled I'd be inclined to believe them, as it stands though, fuck EA, and fuck Origin.
Restrictive DLC policies my foot. Dragon Age Origins doesn't have DLC through the steam store and neither does Mass Effect 2. So whats different about Dragon Age 2. Well EA apparently does not want to tell us.
So fuck em.
So fuck em.
Yep, you probably are stoneguy.
This is only speculation, but i cant shake the feeling that ea is consciously breaking this restrictive steam rules in order to get pulled from their lists, so we wont feel as guilty and filthy when we rush into origin to get bf3. What a shame.
This is only speculation, but i cant shake the feeling that ea is consciously breaking this restrictive steam rules in order to get pulled from their lists, so we wont feel as guilty and filthy when we rush into origin to get bf3. What a shame.
@personz Best I can tell, the DLC policy isn't that the DLC has to be available through the Steam store, but that the DLC can't be exclusive to another digital distribution platform's store. If that's the case, I approve of Valve's decision--nobody should be locked out of the ability to access game content due to who they purchased the game from.
@awa64 it's not like it matters if any of us agree to this. EA agreed to it by accepting Steam's terms and putting their content on Steam. So shame on them.
Let me put it in laymen terms foe everyone. Steam added a new rule to there policy that all dlc and download content must be sold through steam.This is a result of all the f2p games and micro-transactions.
The older games are exempt from the policy change. Now if you are a publisher who uses your own service for dlc and updates like EA you cant sell your games on steam.
There does everyone understand now its because of steam wanting total control of sales.
The older games are exempt from the policy change. Now if you are a publisher who uses your own service for dlc and updates like EA you cant sell your games on steam.
There does everyone understand now its because of steam wanting total control of sales.
I want to get this game strictly to make use of my Dead Space 2 armor! I got the bitchin' Dead Space 2 collector's edition!
@Lazyman: but they're Valve! How can they do that! They're so perfect! Oh, pure, pristine Valve! How they tarnish your reputation with these vile lies! Lies and slander, I say! Lies and slander!
"EA says that this is Steam's fault, and wants Dragon Age II back."
dang man- what a good way to put spin on a quote... considering thats NOT exactly what he said. GERBALISM
dang man- what a good way to put spin on a quote... considering thats NOT exactly what he said. GERBALISM
@Lazyman
Thanks for clearing up exactly WHAT the policy entailed and WHY. Sterling ol' boy here makes it seem like a pissing contest when really its a natural, adult fashioned, business ethic'd, monetary decision. Hmm- never thought I'd find the meat of the article in the comments section.
Thanks for clearing up exactly WHAT the policy entailed and WHY. Sterling ol' boy here makes it seem like a pissing contest when really its a natural, adult fashioned, business ethic'd, monetary decision. Hmm- never thought I'd find the meat of the article in the comments section.
It was always Steam (Valve) that pulled the EA games. They pulled Crysis 2 and now DA2.
The real question is what exactly do the new terms say and are they unfair ondevelopers/publishers?
The real question is what exactly do the new terms say and are they unfair ondevelopers/publishers?
@Lazyman: That doesn't sound right. I tried Spiral Knights during the Steam Summer Camp, and transactions in that game seem to happen independently of Steam. Not to mention all of the games that have their own in-game stores. And besides that, if "older games are exempt from the policy change", why can't EA sell DA:2?
When I look at this quote again I can only come to one conclusion: "Unfortunately, Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to sell downloadable content."
"Limiting" how developers "interact" with customers to sell something. I'll bet money that EA wanted to start sending DLC advertisements through e-mail (maybe PMs, too) to Steam users who had bought their games, which is utter tripe. I mean, imagine if you kept getting EA junkmail at your home address because you bought a hard-disc copy of DA:O back in 2009.
It could be my bias speaking, but it sounds like Valve is protecting us from a new privacy-bending ad-initiative from EA.
When I look at this quote again I can only come to one conclusion: "Unfortunately, Steam has adopted a set of restrictive terms of service which limit how developers interact with customers to sell downloadable content."
"Limiting" how developers "interact" with customers to sell something. I'll bet money that EA wanted to start sending DLC advertisements through e-mail (maybe PMs, too) to Steam users who had bought their games, which is utter tripe. I mean, imagine if you kept getting EA junkmail at your home address because you bought a hard-disc copy of DA:O back in 2009.
It could be my bias speaking, but it sounds like Valve is protecting us from a new privacy-bending ad-initiative from EA.
I... I's confused.... Who's the bad guy... I'S CONFUSED!!!! WHO'S THE BAD GUYS!!!!! AHHHHHHH *head splode*
Was hoping to nab this with DLC later on this year -- possibly during a Christmas sale, since last year's was a great way to pick up some discounted wares.
Whatever bees Valve and/or EA may have in their particular bonnets, here's hoping they can play nice again, both with DA2 and ME3 next year.
Whatever bees Valve and/or EA may have in their particular bonnets, here's hoping they can play nice again, both with DA2 and ME3 next year.
What @Lazyman said.
I kinda feel like this is where many of the dollars in this new micro-transaction model that publishers are brandishing reside. Valve is wise to seek control of these transactions. EA is also right to seek control of these transactions. Who really deserves them? Seems like Valve offers the superior platform, and if the content's the same, isn't that what you're paying for?
These guys want the same thing for the same reasons, let the spoils go to those who treat their customers best, even if in both scenarios the customers are secondary.
I kinda feel like this is where many of the dollars in this new micro-transaction model that publishers are brandishing reside. Valve is wise to seek control of these transactions. EA is also right to seek control of these transactions. Who really deserves them? Seems like Valve offers the superior platform, and if the content's the same, isn't that what you're paying for?
These guys want the same thing for the same reasons, let the spoils go to those who treat their customers best, even if in both scenarios the customers are secondary.
I love how people are so willing to gobble Valves cock its somehow still EAs fault or has something to do with DAII being bad.
This isn't some random timing thing. Since Origin came out, this is the SECOND game to be pulled, not even mentioning Battlefield 3's apparent no show on Steam later this year. EA blames Valve, and Valve points to its terms of service, which until Origin's launch EA has worked with. Valve is drawing a line in the sand here. They're obviously not afraid to pull big name games if they violate Steam's rules. My only question is, why wait until now to break them, EA?
Guys the difference between ME2/DA:O and DA2 is that DA2 released DLC after Free to Play content was allowed on Steam. The restriction is DLC has to be sold through Steam so that free developers don't abuse Valve's resources to sell their games without Valve getting a cut of the action. Valve needs to allow games like DA2 up, this one is Valve's fault, cynical towards EA as I am
I'm still thinking something is not being told here. To much information is being left out. I'm pretty sure EA games are not the only ones with in game stores.
To make it sound even simpler its just business and who wants more of the sale. This is making Value look like the bad guy though.
Here's what gets me about this though: didn't Valve and EA used to have a close relationship? I mean, EA distributed L4D2, and they ported the Orange Box to the PS3 (and maybe 360 as well, I'm not sure).
I just don't get what EA is trying to accomplish with Origins. I don't get it at all.
I just don't get what EA is trying to accomplish with Origins. I don't get it at all.
EA just has a stick up there ass because they wanna make money not make steam money either way EA is GREEDY!
I'd just like to say to everyone that was being all "rabble rabble" about this in the last article on the subject and blaming EA... I fucking told you so.
@walnut100:
Dirt 3, operation flashpoint red river, section 8 prejudice. All of these games have had DLC in the past month, only purchasable through GFWL, and are still in the steam store.
These developers and microsoft can apparently make it work, why can't EA?
Dirt 3, operation flashpoint red river, section 8 prejudice. All of these games have had DLC in the past month, only purchasable through GFWL, and are still in the steam store.
These developers and microsoft can apparently make it work, why can't EA?
so glad i managed to get deadspace 2 when it was 23 bucks. i was gana wait till the winter sale but so glad i didnt since EA and steam are having their little war.. btw EA you suck for inviting me to the bf3 alpha beta testing and stupid origin wont run it. u_u thats like if tara showed me her boobs then max punched me in the balls..
Now didn't I tell ya? That's basically the same thing they said last time. Steam's the one pulling this shit.
I still think its funny they want to be the DD scene's HBO. What class.
I still think its funny they want to be the DD scene's HBO. What class.
More like Steam policies don't allow external currencies like Bioware points (800 Bioware points is the price of their new apology) because the only point of them is to scam the customer.
One million years ago (Internet Time) I saw the Steam Beta and despaired. I signed on, in spirit, with the haters, but I did not go so far as to put anti-Steam animated gifs in my signature.
Whip-cut to present times, and I am so far up Steam's back-end infrastructure that I am ready to spite myself the PC release of great games because I want exactly NONE of what Origin is peddling and if EA won't play nice with Steam they can take a bloody walk.
I will be involved in exactly ONE PC gaming content delievery ecosystem, and Steam is by far the biggest and most well-established system, and I've had my wagon hitched to them for several years now. By all reports EA's previous online retail has been among the worst, and I am ill-inclined to give them a second chance.
Whip-cut to present times, and I am so far up Steam's back-end infrastructure that I am ready to spite myself the PC release of great games because I want exactly NONE of what Origin is peddling and if EA won't play nice with Steam they can take a bloody walk.
I will be involved in exactly ONE PC gaming content delievery ecosystem, and Steam is by far the biggest and most well-established system, and I've had my wagon hitched to them for several years now. By all reports EA's previous online retail has been among the worst, and I am ill-inclined to give them a second chance.
Well, both BioSpam and v@|V3 blow in my opinion, so no loss for me either way.
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The Anti-Steam.
Valve does not want to sell people a game that they cannot support and provide additional content to. Do you think they'd like to tell you "Thank you for buying from Steam. If you want to update your game or buy its DLC, please take this CD key to Origin to get a better version of your game".
Valve has no interest of turning Steam into a game code re-seller after they've promised customers service and convenience. Sure many people don't care about where they get their games but what about those who don't want to be forced to go somewhere else after they've invested their money on a service they trust? It's like bringing your defective iPhone to an Apple store and having them tell you to contact Foxconn in Shenzen China if you have any complaints with the hardware. Valve's major concern are the Steam customers first before the EA customers.
There's a difference between a Steam customer that happens to buy an EA game on Steam and an EA customer who buys a game from Steam. It's okay that you don't care if you buy it on Origin. We don't care that you don't care. We just care about what gets sold on the store we go to.
The fact is, Valve will always make games and put them on Steam. There will always be devs and publishers who would want to sell to Steam customers. John Riticello will not always be EA CEO and David DeMartini will not always be the head of Origin. We hope that in the future, you'll still be able to access and play your games library. May the longest running service win.
Valve does not want to sell people a game that they cannot support and provide additional content to. Do you think they'd like to tell you "Thank you for buying from Steam. If you want to update your game or buy its DLC, please take this CD key to Origin to get a better version of your game".
Valve has no interest of turning Steam into a game code re-seller after they've promised customers service and convenience. Sure many people don't care about where they get their games but what about those who don't want to be forced to go somewhere else after they've invested their money on a service they trust? It's like bringing your defective iPhone to an Apple store and having them tell you to contact Foxconn in Shenzen China if you have any complaints with the hardware. Valve's major concern are the Steam customers first before the EA customers.
There's a difference between a Steam customer that happens to buy an EA game on Steam and an EA customer who buys a game from Steam. It's okay that you don't care if you buy it on Origin. We don't care that you don't care. We just care about what gets sold on the store we go to.
The fact is, Valve will always make games and put them on Steam. There will always be devs and publishers who would want to sell to Steam customers. John Riticello will not always be EA CEO and David DeMartini will not always be the head of Origin. We hope that in the future, you'll still be able to access and play your games library. May the longest running service win.
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I'm not. Its a Jim Sterling article.
They usually are based around taking one or MAYBE two quotes from an interview or letter and spending a few paragraphs spinning it as much as possible to make it controversial for teh hits.
jUrnalizm!1!!
I'm not. Its a Jim Sterling article.
They usually are based around taking one or MAYBE two quotes from an interview or letter and spending a few paragraphs spinning it as much as possible to make it controversial for teh hits.
jUrnalizm!1!!
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