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EA could lose $1 billion in NCAA athletes suit photo

A class action lawsuit filed by former college athletes against the NCAA and Electronic Arts focuses on the potential unlawful use of athletes' likenesses without their consent. USA Today says that the case, filed by former Nebraska and Arizona State quarterback Sam Keller and former UCLA basketball player Ed O'Bannon, is now a couple of years old, but the judge has already said that if rights were violated, EA could be paying big damages. 

How big? Try a quarter of EA's annual revenue, or about $1 billion. USA Today did some fancy math, but to boil it down, it comes out to the law saying that the players can get $1,000 a likeness. Add up all the players (3,630), games, and then triple it for a statue that says that it can be trebled if the violation was "knowing, willful or intentional," and you've got about $1 billion that EA could have to shell out.

Yikes. EA has argued that it has a First Amendment right to use the players likenesses. I'm not feeling so good about that.








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Blue Odeyssey's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:48
Blue Odeyssey
How can a third party has a right to someone elses likeness? That doesn't even make sense to me, thats like saying I have a right to eat your food.
Tristrix's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:50
Tristrix
OOOOOOOUUUUch. It doesn't take a genius to see that the first amendment defense isn't going to hold up, they're going to have to do better than that. Still, I hope they don't end up having to shell out a billion dollars over this. That would almost certainly end them, and as much as we all love to complain about EA, if they tanked it would obviously be bad news for gaming as a whole.
meteorscrap's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:52
meteorscrap
The First Amendment allows you to use a likeness? Damn, I need to slap Lebron on the title art for an XBLIG game about basketball RIGHT NOW! That thing'd sell like hotcakes!
Jasper Kazai's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:53
Jasper Kazai
I understand it's boils down to the money, but I don't see why anyone would complain. I'd love to have my likeness be used in a video game...
flea friend's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 11:57
flea friend
Good for them. The student athletes get jack for being in these games, let them get a little something for all the hard work they put in.
CelicaCrazed's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:01
CelicaCrazed
Can the players even sue?? I don't think EA goes to each and every athlete in NFL, MLB, NBA, NHL, fucking FIFA among many other leagues to get their permission. I'd assume that EA would just go to the league and players association, hand over some money and be done with it. I think if anything, this is more about the players and players association. Are these players going to sue ESPN for showing them on TV without asking for permission first??
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:01
KingSigy
Holy shit. That would put a huge dent in EA. They deserve it for how they treat their fans, though.
Synesthesia's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:02
Synesthesia
origin-al karma
king kong five's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:03
king kong five
@Blue Odeyssey

I don't know how it works for student athletes, but at least at the professional level, EA has a deal with FIFA which grants them the right to the likeness of anyone playing in a FIFA-controlled league. Any time a player signs a contract with a team, there's a clause in there regarding the use of their likeness. I assume it's the same with the NFL, NHL, etc. But I don't know how it works for student athletes, so this is all really interesting.
dr spaceman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:05
dr spaceman
lemme see some screenshots of these athletes in the game, because the character models in the ncaa games are pretty generic looking.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:06
Elsa
... so can Star Magazine be sued for using the likeness of Angelina Jolie on various covers?
How ridiculous. If they are professional sports players then their images should be public domain for sports games. They should actually be happy that people actually prefer to use the likeness of actual players rather than randoms. It's free personal advertising for them. Hell, EA should counter sue for that free PR.

This just further illustrates how spoiled some of these major sports stars are becoming.
(also... what Celica said. What about TV appearances?)
UberNoCrono's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:06
UberNoCrono
I thought EA cant legally pay the students seeing as how colleges cant pay their students to play sports or something. I dunno I took all my information from this whole event from that South Park/EA/Slavery episode
psycho terror2's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:09
psycho terror2
so if EA argues that they thought they didn't have to pay to use the likenesses of these people because it's allowed by the first amendment, does that automatically make them liable for the triple fine?
Ardent Snow's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:09
Ardent Snow
I was think the players didn't have a case but if EA was in the clear I'm sure they would have given a better answer that that. I'm wondering if they talk to the universities because the universities have these players under contract.
dr spaceman's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:13
dr spaceman
@Elsa that's the thing, they aren't professionals. they're college players who aren't allowed to get paid, endorsed, or incentivized by anyone (it's very heavily regulated in college sports).
salamagogo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:24
salamagogo
Hmm...ea have been greedy slimeballs as of late, but I despise money grubbing frivilous lawsuit participants just as much...hope they both end up losing, as unlikely or impossible as it may seem.
lAboMbA's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:25
lAboMbA
This will be impossible to prove, especially since some players are of different ethnic backgrounds from the player portrayed...have varying heights, weight, builds. Hell, I can't get any of those players to look like me in the create-a-player.

Not to mention, EA couldn't pay these people even if they wanted to due to the NCAA restrictions on paying amateur athletes for when they were in college...regardless if they're out now.

Pointless.
Sonvar's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:35
Sonvar
The NCAA gives them the rights to use the athletes in the game so I don't understand why it isn't the NCAA that is getting sued for this.

@flea friend
Most likely the suit is not by current college athletes as getting money for something like this would make them ineligible to play.
Junkown3d's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:48
Junkown3d
I hope the college athletes win this one. Seeing as they get screwed over in just about every aspect (monetarily/incentive wise) The fact that the only way they can money is by literally selling the Jersey off their back, is downright sickening
lAboMbA's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:51
lAboMbA
EA would be breaking their own licensing agreement with the NCAA if they paid any student-athlete or former student-athlete for any work in their NCAA games. The cover guys don't get paid either. The NCAA just grants EA the right to take the picture and put it on there as part of their contract. Its an honor thing, not a monetary one for the cover (Mark Ingram this year).
OneRed's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:54
OneRed
Good, I hope the former student athletes come out on top of this. Billions of dollars are made on the backs of these kids, and they're left to rot the very second they use their own likenesses to get so much as a free sandwich. Its the biggest farce in sports, and one of the reasons the NCAA is such a massive joke.

EA wants to shell out all that money to the NCAA for the unauthorized use of unpaid student likenesses, then use those unpaid student's likenesses for whatever they please, while the actual unpaid student athletes who are in these games could be straight up homeless for all they care. If EA has to be the first domino to fall, then EA has to be the first domino to fall.
RenegadePanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:56
RenegadePanda
So then what? Are they supposed to send out thousands of permission slips to every NCAA player before they make the game?

I just assumed that the minute you were associated with any big organization, be it NCAA, NFL or whatever, your likeness was theirs to control within reasonable limits.

Why does it even matter? It's not like they're portraying NCAA players as child rapists or something.
Epic-Kx's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 12:58
Epic-Kx
NCAA PLAYERS LOL COLLEGE SPORTZ.
EKGProd's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:08
EKGProd
Anti-competitive contracts. Annualized releases. Little evolution in over a decade. Full price for the same games every year. Online Pass Scam. Shuttering great studios... It seems EA is about to meet a little guy I like to call Karma.
M47R1X's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:22
M47R1X
Damnit. EA's already a bunch of money whores. This is just gonna make it worse.
Elsa's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:23
Elsa
@Dr spaceman... then it seems that they absolutely couldn't be paid for their likeness being in a video game, so why would they sue?? This would be essentially like being paid for an endorsement and if it's not allowed, then EA couldn't pay them and I guess what they're suing for is to not have video games use any player's likenesses... period.
As I said, they're getting free PR and acquiring potential fans so it's to their benefit to be in the game. I don't understand the reason they are suing... especially if they can't be compensated (though I'm sure they've found a loophole because stuff like this almost always comes down to money).

Just play the game guys. Be flattered that you're likeness is in a video game and move on. Meh.. I don't get sports at all.
Shinta's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:58
Shinta
More like, EA could be forced to give back $1 Billion of money they made on people who never saw a dime. College athletes always get screwed, while Universities rake in the money nonstop on their backs.
JetSetRadioForever's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 13:59
JetSetRadioForever
RE:Blue Odeyssey
How can a third party has a right to someone elses likeness? That doesn't even make sense to me, thats like saying I have a right to eat your food.

I DRINK YOUR MILKSHAKE!
Ardent Snow's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 14:02
Ardent Snow
@Elsa these are former college athletes. They can get paid for whatever now. The rule only applies to currently performing college athletes because the penalty is ineligibility.
bukuma's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 14:17
bukuma
Don't let any of these fools talk you into feeling sorry for the athletes, they get full scholarships, meaning free tuition, books, food, housing, and a small check from the schools for essentials like clothes, toothpaste, and pencils and paper. They also get hooked up with nice jobs that allow them to do homework instead of work to make sure they stay eligible to play. Any hardship they go through is when they don't want to live in university housing and eat university food, and even then, they get a bigger check from the school during the season to help them pay bills during the season when they can't work as many hours. These kids get plenty and these fools in the lawsuit probably wasted away their education thinking they were going to make millions in the NFL. Only a fool feels pity for a fool.

And the typical hate towards EA, lol, just lol. Get a life guys.
Ardent Snow's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 14:22
Ardent Snow
@bukuma I indeed agree. I was gonna post something similar but not as winded lol. I love sports, so I'm not hating, these college football players have amazing college lives. They aren't "stepped on" by the universities. They are treated like royalty.
Broccoli's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 14:23
Broccoli
I bet the players part of this never made it pro and are out of money because they spent all their time on sports instead of education.
kid23455's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 14:33
kid23455
Which will in turn mean they want to charge you more.
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 14:42
LittleBigD
Ah well. They'll probably just jack up the price of their noe subscription service. Make it fifty bucks a year and give you six days early access instead of just three! Whoooo....
Commandant Oreo's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 14:43
Commandant Oreo
EA won't even have to pay a DIME if they lose. They will just invent some kind of scam to fuck us gamers over to pay. EA always comes up with new shenanigans to get cash, so don't worry folks, WE will find a way to pay for this.
Proto Cloud's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 15:33
Proto Cloud
I hope they lose out. You can't always play a scam and always get away with. Hopefully this'll teach them to fire the ones culpable and keep honest.
BattyAdroit's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 16:37
BattyAdroit
@Elsa: You should carefully read OneRed's comment. Then perhaps you should do some cursory research about the topic. I've been reading your comments for a long time; you're smarter than this.
devroid's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/03/2011 16:49
devroid
Its not only about using the athletes physical likeness, it's also the stats and ratings applied to a particular player that make it a likeness. This is similar to how MLB got all the third party fantasy leagues shut down. They argued that the players stats are in essence the player, therefore other sites should not be able to use them without rights being granted by MLB.
I'm a sports gaming phrenetic, and it would be sad to see the college games go away because of this, but the writing was on the wall. Being someone who will be paying for my college tuition for the rest of my life tempers my sympathy for student athletes, but I have no love for the NCAA.
walnut100's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2011 00:51
walnut100
The NCAA owns all the players likenesses, the players can't go after EA individually. That should be the defense. If somebody's got a problem with EA it needs to be the NCAA. These guys sign their rights away the first day of training every year, and until they sign their likeness to NCAA they're not allowed to practice.
walnut100's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2011 00:56
walnut100
Also guys, getting individual player consent wouldn't be hard. The NCAA makes us sign all kinds of forms before we can compete. If EA had a deal with them it'd just be another form in the stack.

bukuma, speaking as a student athlete (Who admittedly doesn't play football) you're a shit head. Most student athletes would be lucky to get a $1000 sports scholarship from a school that has $20k a semester tuition. The fact is unless your name is Reggie Bush you're not getting money. And the athlete part of student athlete is commitment. It gets in the way of being a student. It means you have to work that much harder to get the same grades your peers get, or else you have to give up doing something you love. So sincerely, fuck everyone with your mindset
Adamsforsheriff's Avatar - Comment posted on 08/04/2011 10:03
Adamsforsheriff
Gotta support the college athletes in this one. They're barely being compensated for their service (a couple years of scholarship doesn't come near the amount of money they're generating for the programs) and EA feels like they should be allowed to exploit them further.

Hopefully a victory for the players would highlight the NCAA's all-around hypocrisy. Will they allow the students they claim to care about to accept funds from a legal settlement that resulted directly from their college athletics?
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