surf dtoid with 
Rising (10+)
People you follow
I thought battlefield 3 did pretty well. Not CoD numbers honestly but if any one at EA thought that would happen he should be fired. (and i dont even like Cod)
Hopefully they will make the cuts in their shitty oversized marketing and scamming departments instead of the studios which are actually not that bad in terms of people working there.
Huh. Didnt BF3 do pretty good in both sales and actual quality of game(once it was patched)? Or at least decently enough to get a good community going.
As for TOR, EA is being a cunt. It needed server transfers and merges last month, not months from now. Every other facet of development is going well, but if people cant even play the game theyre not going to keep giving you money for shitting on them.
But IMHO the problem here is EAs expectations, not the games "underselling".
As for TOR, EA is being a cunt. It needed server transfers and merges last month, not months from now. Every other facet of development is going well, but if people cant even play the game theyre not going to keep giving you money for shitting on them.
But IMHO the problem here is EAs expectations, not the games "underselling".
Good ol' EA. No doubt this is because they set unrealistic expectations for all their games because they are designed merely to duplicate someone else's success. Battlefield 3 wasn't the new Modern Warfare (what game is?) and SWTOR isn't the new World of Warcraft), so they are failures even if they sell millions. Idiots. Condolences to the laid off staff, though.
Maybe EA shouldn't throw marketing money around like a drunk.
They apparently feel it necessary to include EA stuff with every conceivable product that even loosely relates to the game in question. Whenever an EA game comes out, I generally know about it by the assault marketing plastered on everything I see in a store.
They apparently feel it necessary to include EA stuff with every conceivable product that even loosely relates to the game in question. Whenever an EA game comes out, I generally know about it by the assault marketing plastered on everything I see in a store.
wait what? Battlefield 3 sold nearly 14mln copies and is still selling 100-150k on weekly basis. Star Wars: The Old Republic sold nearly 3mln copies and has over 2mln active users paying 15$ a month.
how much were they expecting from those games? this is the reason why i hate HD gaming i loved the idea Nintendo had with Wii. on wii high profile game sells 200k and is considered by developer a success and gets a sequel on HD platform game sells 2-5mln copies and doesn't even make back the money spend on it's development(Killzone 2, LA Noire, Shaun White Snowboarding HD etc.).
how much were they expecting from those games? this is the reason why i hate HD gaming i loved the idea Nintendo had with Wii. on wii high profile game sells 200k and is considered by developer a success and gets a sequel on HD platform game sells 2-5mln copies and doesn't even make back the money spend on it's development(Killzone 2, LA Noire, Shaun White Snowboarding HD etc.).
I am surprised Battlefield 3 is selling "disappointing" rate but also think they sort of had that coming to them.
Battlefield 3 has some of the poorest designed maps in the series. They are either total choke point meat grinders like Metro and Damavand or just flat open boredom like Kharg and Firestorm. Really only Caspian Border is of BF2/2142 map quality.
All that coupled with the most BORING theme. Seriously, this is the third time Battlefield has done the modern setting making this World War 5. BF3 certainly is not bad but it certainly is not to par with what DICE has done with the main series (1942, Vietnam, 2 and 2142).
Battlefield 3 has some of the poorest designed maps in the series. They are either total choke point meat grinders like Metro and Damavand or just flat open boredom like Kharg and Firestorm. Really only Caspian Border is of BF2/2142 map quality.
All that coupled with the most BORING theme. Seriously, this is the third time Battlefield has done the modern setting making this World War 5. BF3 certainly is not bad but it certainly is not to par with what DICE has done with the main series (1942, Vietnam, 2 and 2142).
Maybe this will lead to them focusing on core competencies and looking for new consumers again instead of trying to childishly trying to 1 up Activison/Blizzard and coveting their customers. But I doubt it. That would require thinking, and EA has shown they are at best schemers, not thinkers.
Q: What caused dismal sales for both games on the PC? A: Reliance on Origin (and battlelog for BF3).
How could anyone be surprised by this? Look at all the Butt hurt EA inflicts on their actual customer, ie, their lifeblood...the people they should care about.
You think they give two f's about people that slave away for them?
You think they give two f's about people that slave away for them?
I'm going to call BS on this. I'm sure EA *would* do something like this, but I think this might be a little tabloid-esque.
Because historically a company will fess up to crap ahead of the time instead of saying things like "No need to worry about anything" or "Everything is fine" right before they say "You're all fired" or "We're entering administration"
Call of duty does not require an online pass. Call of duty also does not require origin. Call of duty sold much more than battlefield. SOLD, not pirated ;)
What were they expecting for BF3? They kneecapped the games biggest market on PC by forcing origin on people, and it was a rushed and buggy launch, not to mention the rushed and terrible maps. In my mind I can't fault dice for any of this, all of their previous work including 2010's bad company 2 we're just fantastic efforts. I can just imagine some EA suit sitting in a conference room saying "it needs to play more like COD, we need a lot of guns, and smaller maps, oh and we are forcing the game to use origin. Okay?, okay! Make it happen you Swedish bastards! We OWN you!" oh and here's my obligatory fuck you EA, all done with your shit.
@Timboxxx
Christ, I am glad to see someone else who thinks this. All the professional reviewers of BF3 fawned over the multiplayer experience like it was the second coming. In reality, all of the maps are below Battlefield standards. Even Caspian Border is an unpleasant experience for me, maybe because I'm playing on a console. In addition to map issues, the balance of the classes and the weapons is poor. Can anyone tell me why you would ever want to be a sniper if you want to contribute in a meaningful way to your team's victory?
It sucks that people have to suffer by losing their jobs, but I think that EA did the Battlefield franchise a great disservice with the direction that Battlefield 3 went.
Christ, I am glad to see someone else who thinks this. All the professional reviewers of BF3 fawned over the multiplayer experience like it was the second coming. In reality, all of the maps are below Battlefield standards. Even Caspian Border is an unpleasant experience for me, maybe because I'm playing on a console. In addition to map issues, the balance of the classes and the weapons is poor. Can anyone tell me why you would ever want to be a sniper if you want to contribute in a meaningful way to your team's victory?
It sucks that people have to suffer by losing their jobs, but I think that EA did the Battlefield franchise a great disservice with the direction that Battlefield 3 went.
I think its just flat out speculation to claim TOR and BF3's "disappointing" sales as the basis for mass layoffs, especially when EA flat out claims there aren't any layoffs going on.
In context, THQ would probably have been completely revitalized and thrived with sales numbers of BF3 alone.
In context, THQ would probably have been completely revitalized and thrived with sales numbers of BF3 alone.
I rented BF3 and the single player was so shitty I didn't even consider buying it. I didn't get a chance to try the multiplayer because of their online pass crap. Maybe if they included a free 48 hr access trial for rentals I would have liked it and bought it like I did for NFS Hot Pursuit. EA needs to stop ruining the experience for game renters because many of us renters are just sampling before making a purchasing decision.
@daki
This is exactly why DICE need to just can all singleplayer portions of their games. People play the part of the game that DICE is weakest at (their AI isn't great) and call it a shitty game. The MP is the industry standard in my opinion, and everyone that plays it for anything else is a misinformed customer. And don't bitch about online passes when you rent. At this point, its your own damn fault for being cheap
This is exactly why DICE need to just can all singleplayer portions of their games. People play the part of the game that DICE is weakest at (their AI isn't great) and call it a shitty game. The MP is the industry standard in my opinion, and everyone that plays it for anything else is a misinformed customer. And don't bitch about online passes when you rent. At this point, its your own damn fault for being cheap
This is how the game industry works. Theres a core team of people who work on a game and then during production the producers hire to pick up the slack and delegate to. When the game is published and patched, the teams get cut down do what is essentially the group they started with.
Regardless if these layoffs go further than the standard trim down, this story could be reported this way without context even if they dont.
Regardless if these layoffs go further than the standard trim down, this story could be reported this way without context even if they dont.
It doesn't matter if the two games made a profit. EA is a conglomerate, and all that matters is that it makes MORE money then a clear profit. If it doesn't make more money then jobs are lost, even if it made a profit.
Why? Cause humanity is retarded.
Why? Cause humanity is retarded.
Maybe they should ditch Origin. I still haven't played/bought BF3 because I don't want another service on my PC. I'll buy it when it comes to Steam.
@billy balls
That is unfair to call someone out for renting a game. However, you do have a point. The singleplayer experience was lacking and without the ability to try the multilayer portion, well that could definitely curtail some sales. All that aside I felt the came sold a fair amount. Now when it comes to SWTOR, I am not sure what is going on there. I just think EA overestimated the number of potential players. That aside both games seemed to sell well, but I suppose the cost of marketing and all that can definitely spark some unseen costs. Really, truly sucks whenever someone gets laid off though :/I Hopefully they are all able to find new jobs.
That is unfair to call someone out for renting a game. However, you do have a point. The singleplayer experience was lacking and without the ability to try the multilayer portion, well that could definitely curtail some sales. All that aside I felt the came sold a fair amount. Now when it comes to SWTOR, I am not sure what is going on there. I just think EA overestimated the number of potential players. That aside both games seemed to sell well, but I suppose the cost of marketing and all that can definitely spark some unseen costs. Really, truly sucks whenever someone gets laid off though :/I Hopefully they are all able to find new jobs.
@npa189
Agreed. Whenever BF3 dicks us, my best friend likes to yell "fucking Swedes!" But I think that your assessment is closer to the mark: EA leaned too hard on Dice to create a CoD-like experience, to the severe detriment of the BF experience. At least, that's what I want to believe, having been a big fan of Dice since BF1942.
@billy balls
Also agreed. It frustrates me a lot to think of all the resources that went into the Battlefield 3 single player, when the money/time could have been used for multiplayer.
Agreed. Whenever BF3 dicks us, my best friend likes to yell "fucking Swedes!" But I think that your assessment is closer to the mark: EA leaned too hard on Dice to create a CoD-like experience, to the severe detriment of the BF experience. At least, that's what I want to believe, having been a big fan of Dice since BF1942.
@billy balls
Also agreed. It frustrates me a lot to think of all the resources that went into the Battlefield 3 single player, when the money/time could have been used for multiplayer.
@hardy83
EA hasn't made a profit in several years. The big reason for that is aggressive acquisitions, but yeah... there it is.
EA hasn't made a profit in several years. The big reason for that is aggressive acquisitions, but yeah... there it is.
I'm hardcore fan of the Battlefield serie, I played all of them, had tone of fun. I played Battlefield 3 for a week or so and uninstalled it. Never been so disappointed before, that game was crap. It was nothing like the other battlefield, they destroyed it and then shiat on it.
Fuck EA, hope they this fucking company dies so we can start having quality game again.
Fuck EA, hope they this fucking company dies so we can start having quality game again.
I actually have to say this is probably due to the insane amounts of marketing they throw at their games. When ME3 released all I seen in Wal-Mart was a damn take back earth add all day long :(. Funny thing is all that advertising probably didn't help them a damn bit. ME3 sold 4 million copies of the game to retailers, but could only move about 943,000 to 360 owners and 235,750 to ps3 owners. PC sales weren't given in the article I'm quoting, but I'm guessing the sales weren't that good on that platform either. So with all that marketing and hype, they couldn't even move 1/5 of what they wold to retailers.
Then again EA always finds a way to swindle retailer CEO's (or whoever makes the buying of product decisions) into buying more of a product then they actually should.
http://games.ign.com/articles/122/1222926p1.html
Then again EA always finds a way to swindle retailer CEO's (or whoever makes the buying of product decisions) into buying more of a product then they actually should.
http://games.ign.com/articles/122/1222926p1.html
Reminds me of how Tomb Raider Underworld did numbers that many developers would have killed for that year and was deemed a failure.
That is why it is now being turned into a Lara Croft Snuff film.
Fuck that new game.
That is why it is now being turned into a Lara Croft Snuff film.
Fuck that new game.
BF3 was great until they fucked it hard and deep with their server rental service. Now BF3 Multiplayer is broken as fuck and not worth playing.. And who in the fuck plays BF3 for the single player campaign?
Swtor: the Sahara of video gaming. $200 million on development ALONE, not to mention a $10 mil a piece on those CG videos and millions more on advertising. Oh, and all the money that LucasArts, Lucasfilm, and George Lucas pocket from this, leaving an enormous loss.
Then you have Battlefield. A competent shooter series that never had the single player to compete with Halo and COD or the multiplayer chops to play with Unreal or CS:S. So what does EA do? Put it RIGHT up against the biggest franchise in gaming, pour millions into marketing, and they sell a third of what COD does with the same amount of costs, EVEN with an online pass.
You sad, pathetic little company, you. I feel for all the people who entrusted their careers in your incompetent hands. Pull a Midway and fuck off already.
Then you have Battlefield. A competent shooter series that never had the single player to compete with Halo and COD or the multiplayer chops to play with Unreal or CS:S. So what does EA do? Put it RIGHT up against the biggest franchise in gaming, pour millions into marketing, and they sell a third of what COD does with the same amount of costs, EVEN with an online pass.
You sad, pathetic little company, you. I feel for all the people who entrusted their careers in your incompetent hands. Pull a Midway and fuck off already.
I think this might actually be because last night I finally deleted (my legitimate copy of) BF3 off of my PC's HDD after a good couple of months of not going near it. I just found the game, whilst very pretty, just not very enjoyable. The SP was a nice film with occasional interactive elements, whilst the MP was beyond tedious. Also, I despised the browser-based menu screen (just shouts of laziness), and the game itself took an age to actually load up. Seriously, like five whole minutes. No other game on my PC does that.
Of fucking course BF3 was a let down, it was released 6 months too early. But noooo EA gotta please the shareholders for X quarter and the big boss gotta receive his bonus. Disappointing sales for a rushed game? Blame the employees!
@John Johnson
It is good at least that there still a large number of people still playing the older Battlefield games. I just up and gave up on BF3 as even the unlock system feels discouraging. "Great I got a weapon I can not use well until I grind for an attachment for it".
@dogstar060763
@searchmyday
@npa189
@other BF3 dissenters
If there is any further case that EA/DICE is "screwing it up further" the next addon for BF3 will be all about small 1 building/1 city block maps focusing all on small infantry combat. You know the exact reason you did not buy a Battlefield game for.
It is good at least that there still a large number of people still playing the older Battlefield games. I just up and gave up on BF3 as even the unlock system feels discouraging. "Great I got a weapon I can not use well until I grind for an attachment for it".
@dogstar060763
@searchmyday
@npa189
@other BF3 dissenters
If there is any further case that EA/DICE is "screwing it up further" the next addon for BF3 will be all about small 1 building/1 city block maps focusing all on small infantry combat. You know the exact reason you did not buy a Battlefield game for.
Both games were ridiculously marketed. The problem I see with Battlefield is the issues it had after release. All that talk of this and that doesn't look good on anything but the PC, but the PC needs a ridiculous amount of power, type talk had to have made its mark.. Plus, people didn't really run away from COD. Some did, but not the number that EA embellished their wishes into being.
As for TOR, the game is plagued by the fact that the gameplay isn't all that fun. Its a great single player game but its really not an MMO at the end of the day. Plus, they spent a ridiculous amount of money marketing the game when they really didn't need to -the 5+ years of development into a new Star Wars MMO did that marketing before they ever poured a dollar into ad space. Also, the other issue is the the fact that the testing went on for far far longer then most, and ended up incorporating over a million people at one point --people who played the game, saw it for what it was, and may have bought the game, but didn't stick around all that long.
Either way, I don't think anyone should be let go. I mean.. EA's problem is that they oversold 2 games that didn't need overselling.. So -maybe- there should be a stern talking to in the marketing department, but honestly these games did better then many people thought they would, its EA's fault that they didn't meet their (obviously) ridiculous expectations.
As for TOR, the game is plagued by the fact that the gameplay isn't all that fun. Its a great single player game but its really not an MMO at the end of the day. Plus, they spent a ridiculous amount of money marketing the game when they really didn't need to -the 5+ years of development into a new Star Wars MMO did that marketing before they ever poured a dollar into ad space. Also, the other issue is the the fact that the testing went on for far far longer then most, and ended up incorporating over a million people at one point --people who played the game, saw it for what it was, and may have bought the game, but didn't stick around all that long.
Either way, I don't think anyone should be let go. I mean.. EA's problem is that they oversold 2 games that didn't need overselling.. So -maybe- there should be a stern talking to in the marketing department, but honestly these games did better then many people thought they would, its EA's fault that they didn't meet their (obviously) ridiculous expectations.
Both those game did fine, EA just spend to much on marketing and ME3 failed in sales and took a huge loss.
The problem here, above and beyond anything else, is clearly their asinine business practices. They need to stop saying and doing Roman-emperor shit ("Pay me for the privilege of paying me! It will please me!") and start showing a little humility. In particular, the Online Pass shit needs to stop; I genuinely think that's hurting sales. They also need to stop with the retailer exclusives and the on-disc DLC (whether it's real or not is irrelevant; it's perceived to be real) and the day-one DLC and the Origin bans and all the rest of it.
BF3 did pretty darn well, SWTOR saw a lot of initial buys, but I think the subscriptions are probably incredibly low now.
To get more money EA needs to:
Make games with lower budgets.
Make less games.
Make games with longer development time.
Don't set the bar too high on required number of sales.
Be less risk-averse.
Don't lie or "betray" the customers.
Use steam or ignore origin for games.
Basically they need to change from the top.
Make games with lower budgets.
Make less games.
Make games with longer development time.
Don't set the bar too high on required number of sales.
Be less risk-averse.
Don't lie or "betray" the customers.
Use steam or ignore origin for games.
Basically they need to change from the top.
follow
