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Backing out from implementing real life factions in the original MoH was a pansy move.
This? .... I don't mind. It did kinda irk me a little.
This? .... I don't mind. It did kinda irk me a little.
Wow, a much more even-handed article without false implications and outright lies about how getting a gun works. Good show Jim.
I'm glad they backed down from this haha this whole situation had shit storm written all over it. I'm sure Jack Thompson was wringing his hands when they first announced the weapon collaboration....
Id love to read a interview with EA´s chief of marketing. The ideas that person must have... i wonder which are actually discarded.
Well it's too bad for the charity but I'm sure if they really wanted too they could find plenty of other much better ways to raise money for the families of fallen and wounded soldiers.
Despite the money going to charity, this was a stupid promotion from the stard. Why guns? At the very least they could have peddled Airsoft guns, if not just selling typical merchandise, special editions of the game, etc. There are so many more appropriate and less controversial items that they could have picked that likely would have appealed to the target audience far more, thus earning more money, but they chose a gun.
The only way that could have generated any more controversy is if they bundled heroin with the guns and a coupon for a free abortion.
The only way that could have generated any more controversy is if they bundled heroin with the guns and a coupon for a free abortion.
Dtoid makes a big stink about this when it is really no big deal at all. You must know you're sensationalizing this. Meanwhile, EA has yet to grow a pair in regards to its MOH series ... Why can't a game do this? Because gamers will run out, buy guns and start killing each other? LOL - thats the same logic you, Jim, and Dtoid, dismiss about crazy conservatives wanting to ban video games.
Both of you suck today, Dtoid and EA. The last post on this issue was making nothing into something of a big deal. Shame.
Both of you suck today, Dtoid and EA. The last post on this issue was making nothing into something of a big deal. Shame.
You know what would be really silly? If an EA game came as a bonus when you preordered an actual gun.
"Project Honor"....
There's already enough and more credible organizations than EA who gather funds for the wounded soldiers.
There's already enough and more credible organizations than EA who gather funds for the wounded soldiers.
@Evil Champ I think this is more about that ongoing discussion about how some really stupid people think video games make kids violent. This just didn't look very good when you take into account the stigma that violent video games carry for people who think there is a connection to violence. There really is no reason to link the game to gun sales. I'm a gun owner, and will support owning guns to my grave, but this was a bad idea.
@Evil Champ
Now that you've got that off your chest, maybe you could tell us where all that sensationalism can be found in this post.
Also, you created one hell of a straw man in your comment, and straw men like that are a sensationalists primary tool. I just wanted to point out that your comment displays exactly the kind of sensationalism you're complaining about.
Now that you've got that off your chest, maybe you could tell us where all that sensationalism can be found in this post.
Also, you created one hell of a straw man in your comment, and straw men like that are a sensationalists primary tool. I just wanted to point out that your comment displays exactly the kind of sensationalism you're complaining about.
Stupid and illogical connection between playing EA's game and then buying sponsored guns to kill in real life. I own more real guns than the Aurora massacre guy, and maybe played more videogames over the years too, yet I never fathomed doing what he did. Certain guns being illegal will not stop someone from buying them illegally, just like pot. Same if Little Debbies snack cakes were banned -- you can be damn sure Fat Sterling would find a dealer behind his local 7-11.
While in the USA, I support our rights to own guns, but the last thing the industry needs is some nutjob getting a hold of an MoH branded gun and shooting/killing someone. Anti-gun, and anti video games activists would be coming out of the woodwork.
@Ardent Snow -
I'm an Army vet, against handguns (I know) and I think DToid really sensationalized this with the last post - which I believe was not written by Jim. I went to the EA MoH website and the majority of sponsors were selling stuff like tactical gloves, hats, camo, etc.
But no, Dtoid - who screams about the lack of evidence between video games and real life - made this into a big stink, like every sponsor was selling a bazoka and tech 9. Now Dtoid is following up on it, like "see what we did!"
Bull. Anyone who went to J school at Dtoid (I'm assuming one of you guys did) would know the last few posts on this are pure crap.
I'm an Army vet, against handguns (I know) and I think DToid really sensationalized this with the last post - which I believe was not written by Jim. I went to the EA MoH website and the majority of sponsors were selling stuff like tactical gloves, hats, camo, etc.
But no, Dtoid - who screams about the lack of evidence between video games and real life - made this into a big stink, like every sponsor was selling a bazoka and tech 9. Now Dtoid is following up on it, like "see what we did!"
Bull. Anyone who went to J school at Dtoid (I'm assuming one of you guys did) would know the last few posts on this are pure crap.
@Ardent Snow -
I'm an Army vet, against handguns (I know) and I think DToid really sensationalized this with the last post - which I believe was not written by Jim. I went to the EA MoH website and the majority of sponsors were selling stuff like tactical gloves, hats, camo, etc.
But no, Dtoid - who screams about the lack of evidence between video games and real life - made this into a big stink, like every sponsor was selling a bazoka and tech 9. Now Dtoid is following up on it, like "see what we did!"
Bull. Anyone who went to J school at Dtoid (I'm assuming one of you guys did) would know the last few posts on this are pure crap.
I'm an Army vet, against handguns (I know) and I think DToid really sensationalized this with the last post - which I believe was not written by Jim. I went to the EA MoH website and the majority of sponsors were selling stuff like tactical gloves, hats, camo, etc.
But no, Dtoid - who screams about the lack of evidence between video games and real life - made this into a big stink, like every sponsor was selling a bazoka and tech 9. Now Dtoid is following up on it, like "see what we did!"
Bull. Anyone who went to J school at Dtoid (I'm assuming one of you guys did) would know the last few posts on this are pure crap.
Especially after the Aurora shootings (and the Texas A&M ones that happened this week that are kind of getting under reported) it just seemed totally brain dead and callous of them to do this. It was just plain dumb, what is EA doing over there on the PR end.
@Evil Champ I think you may be "sensationalizing" their "sensationalizing" a bit. The first story on this was a bit uninformed but you are kind of putting words to it a little bit that weren't there. This whole thing was still a bad idea. Just from the stand point of the stigma video games are already trying to fight. It's just not what the industry needs. I know what you are saying, and I get it. These 2 things just don't need to be marketed together.
The post I am referring to: http://www.destructoid.com/medal-of-honor-site-wants-you-to-buy-some-guns-232993.phtml
Yea, I'm the one sensationalizing - "By visiting the site's partners page, you can find 11 -- more being added each week! -- gun sellers that will give you the firepower you need to really leave an impression. You have a credit card, right? Then spend it on a TAC®-300 McMillan Tactical Rifle that you can keep above your TV, so people know you mean business online and offline!"
Yea, I'm the one sensationalizing - "By visiting the site's partners page, you can find 11 -- more being added each week! -- gun sellers that will give you the firepower you need to really leave an impression. You have a credit card, right? Then spend it on a TAC®-300 McMillan Tactical Rifle that you can keep above your TV, so people know you mean business online and offline!"
I can see how linking a gun store to a shooter game is not the best idea, BUT how many gamers actually buy REAL guns? Most I know can barely afford their games and never fired a weapon before.
Seriously now I'm curious to know how many gamers actually buy guns, shoot guns, or have handled firearms at some point in their life?
Years ago I used to go to a gunrange with my father when I was a teen and fired rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Gained an appreciation of the weapons and frankly don't really want to buy or own them, as fun as they were.
Seriously now I'm curious to know how many gamers actually buy guns, shoot guns, or have handled firearms at some point in their life?
Years ago I used to go to a gunrange with my father when I was a teen and fired rifles, pistols, and shotguns. Gained an appreciation of the weapons and frankly don't really want to buy or own them, as fun as they were.
@Evil Champ
Yes, I'd say you're sensationalizing. I'm not sure why you would quote obvious comedy to support your argument, it's like calling The Onion sensationalist.
They used real guns as promotional items (whether directly or indirectly) for a piece of entertainment. If there's a line that could be crossed by a promo campaign, I can't think of a more sure way to cross it.
Yes, I'd say you're sensationalizing. I'm not sure why you would quote obvious comedy to support your argument, it's like calling The Onion sensationalist.
They used real guns as promotional items (whether directly or indirectly) for a piece of entertainment. If there's a line that could be crossed by a promo campaign, I can't think of a more sure way to cross it.
@evil champ
That reads more like cynical humor than sensationalism. Exclamation marks do not = sensationalism.
When did people start confusing dtoid with the fucking Huffington Post?
That reads more like cynical humor than sensationalism. Exclamation marks do not = sensationalism.
When did people start confusing dtoid with the fucking Huffington Post?
Let's not forget Allistair's original lies of "only a few clicks and you can have a gun" which then changed to(in the comments after being corrected)"yes, it goes to a FFL dealer but then it's only a 30 second background check". Both equally destroyed by further comments which article author never returned to. So yes, the article was heavily sensationalized either from ignorance or outright lying.
So it's okay to make a murder simulator, but working with a charity to sell real life guns (which happens REGARDLESS of whether EA promotes it or not) is a step over the line. On the same page, it's "okay" for a kid to play said murder simulator, watch violent shows on TV, but it's not okay for that kid to see a naked woman.
This is the world we live in people.
This is the world we live in people.
When you make a direct connection from real life weaponry and violence to video game weapons and violence, you kind of throw out the "but games arnt real" argument. Giving the proceeds to a charity is nice and all, but its EA so they sure as shit werent doing it out of the goodness of their corporate heart.
Plus it was pretty tasteless. If they wanted to support the troops and their families they would be giving a portion of their GAME sales to charity.
Plus it was pretty tasteless. If they wanted to support the troops and their families they would be giving a portion of their GAME sales to charity.
@usedtabe
That article went way over your head. Allistair just sounds like Marcus Kincaid from Borderlands throughout that whole thing (I figured the hilarious header would have insinuated the nature of the article as well)....but please, go on about how his article was meant to be some factual commentary about how one can purchase guns online.
That article went way over your head. Allistair just sounds like Marcus Kincaid from Borderlands throughout that whole thing (I figured the hilarious header would have insinuated the nature of the article as well)....but please, go on about how his article was meant to be some factual commentary about how one can purchase guns online.
Smo5000:I guess so, with presenting the studies on how many deaths are related to firearms he wasn't trying to make any statements, it was all a big joke and I'm just a big dummy who didn't get it. Sure buddy.
Also, learn2read, I said he even came into the comments section trying to defend his statements, then when those were shut down he left forever. Must have been super ironic to have to defend the (wrong)points of the "joke" in the comments section.
Also, learn2read, I said he even came into the comments section trying to defend his statements, then when those were shut down he left forever. Must have been super ironic to have to defend the (wrong)points of the "joke" in the comments section.
@usedtabe
You're right, the whole article wasnt meant to be humorous but the first 2-3 paragraphs were, which happens to be the part you quoted: "You are only a couple clicks away from being able to own that totally rad gun you just got a couple headshots with online! Awesome, no?"
He then goes on to say this: "I understand that these guns are sold for the purpose of hunting and that there are often stipulations like age, background checks, and waiting periods. However, most sites don't ask you to do more than check a box saying you're not a convict or teenager. I'm not familiar with the partners on Medal of Honor's site, so I can't say for sure how they deal with background checks." -But apparently that was lost somehow with your elite reading skills.
You're right, the whole article wasnt meant to be humorous but the first 2-3 paragraphs were, which happens to be the part you quoted: "You are only a couple clicks away from being able to own that totally rad gun you just got a couple headshots with online! Awesome, no?"
He then goes on to say this: "I understand that these guns are sold for the purpose of hunting and that there are often stipulations like age, background checks, and waiting periods. However, most sites don't ask you to do more than check a box saying you're not a convict or teenager. I'm not familiar with the partners on Medal of Honor's site, so I can't say for sure how they deal with background checks." -But apparently that was lost somehow with your elite reading skills.
personaly endorsement from actuall weaponsmiths just seems silly. its not like our shooters even need super realistic guns in their games. as long as its fun. why should we go that extra mile to have colt or mossburg have their logos on our in game guns?
Just go blow the Dtoid mascot ... "A gun ad on a shooter website? That will kill people!"
that's what you idiots sound like. Just saying.
that's what you idiots sound like. Just saying.
@Smo5000:So he admits he doesn't know anything about the subject, yet still takes to the comments to make such gems as "yeah, it goes to a FFL but a 30 second background check is all that is between you and the gun".
Genius.
Genius.
" Just go blow the Dtoid mascot ... "A gun ad on a shooter website? That will kill people!"
that's what you idiots sound like. Just saying."
No, it's not. Maybe a few people have that sentiment but I and the majority were more worried about the implications of how linking the two items looks to the REST OF THE WORLD. You know, that one we are all still apart of?
It's like having a website for Alice: madness returns linking you to sites to buy shrooms. Lawyers and the media would tear it apart and it'd be another stupid shitstorm we'd have to listen to and deal with that could so so easily have been avoided.
that's what you idiots sound like. Just saying."
No, it's not. Maybe a few people have that sentiment but I and the majority were more worried about the implications of how linking the two items looks to the REST OF THE WORLD. You know, that one we are all still apart of?
It's like having a website for Alice: madness returns linking you to sites to buy shrooms. Lawyers and the media would tear it apart and it'd be another stupid shitstorm we'd have to listen to and deal with that could so so easily have been avoided.
@SeymourDuncan17
My thoughts exactly. Glad they've woken the fuck up with this.
@Usedtabe
Lol still raging on Dtoid about your guns, I see. That's cute.
My thoughts exactly. Glad they've woken the fuck up with this.
@Usedtabe
Lol still raging on Dtoid about your guns, I see. That's cute.
@usedtabe
He admits he doesnt know how the specific partner's of MoH's site handles the checks. Some places do have 30-second background checks provided by the NICS though. You get an "immediate proceed" and are legally allowed to possess a firearm, but the seller can hold the gun for maybe 3-4 days. I've personally never seen a longer delay than 3-4 days on an "immediate proceed" but I'm sure it's happened for one reason or another. Anyway, it sounded more like a cynical retort but that's neither here nor there.
Thanks for having a normal conversation.
@evil champ
lolol, what an intelligent rebuttal.
He admits he doesnt know how the specific partner's of MoH's site handles the checks. Some places do have 30-second background checks provided by the NICS though. You get an "immediate proceed" and are legally allowed to possess a firearm, but the seller can hold the gun for maybe 3-4 days. I've personally never seen a longer delay than 3-4 days on an "immediate proceed" but I'm sure it's happened for one reason or another. Anyway, it sounded more like a cynical retort but that's neither here nor there.
Thanks for having a normal conversation.
@evil champ
lolol, what an intelligent rebuttal.
@ctg: not even close. I just come off as an asshole. The frontpage is too full of autism to actually get upset about.
Pansy move.. Make a choice and stick with it. Live with the consequences.
People would have forgotten and bought the game up any way. Funny how people can be okay with Mountain Dew sponsoring/being used in games, when Diabetes effects even more people then guns do, but we can't name a few partners/their websites, just because they've managed to finally help make a game more realistic. Someone get back to me when we've stopped using realistic guns in the movies we love so much, too.
I'm starting to wonder if their was town criers yelling about sword and dagger violence back in the middle ages... Seems like there was probably a lot of that going on, and people lived with it just fine.
"The MoH-branded tomahawk has now been removed from sale, and blog posts declaring partnerships with weapons manufacturers are now obscured."
Meanwhile, Gamestop will be selling replica Assassin's Creed wrist blades.. Sure, they're replica, but how's that going to stop a kid from forking over the money because they're "cool" (things are going to cost less then an assassin's creed game..) and trying to stab people.. No ones hoisting a banner against that.
People would have forgotten and bought the game up any way. Funny how people can be okay with Mountain Dew sponsoring/being used in games, when Diabetes effects even more people then guns do, but we can't name a few partners/their websites, just because they've managed to finally help make a game more realistic. Someone get back to me when we've stopped using realistic guns in the movies we love so much, too.
I'm starting to wonder if their was town criers yelling about sword and dagger violence back in the middle ages... Seems like there was probably a lot of that going on, and people lived with it just fine.
"The MoH-branded tomahawk has now been removed from sale, and blog posts declaring partnerships with weapons manufacturers are now obscured."
Meanwhile, Gamestop will be selling replica Assassin's Creed wrist blades.. Sure, they're replica, but how's that going to stop a kid from forking over the money because they're "cool" (things are going to cost less then an assassin's creed game..) and trying to stab people.. No ones hoisting a banner against that.
I mean come on....the very second someone planted a "Call of Duty" branded Thomas Hawk (fancy) in someones pointed head the media would have exploded. You don't put your name on something that kills people unless you REALLY want in the business of killing people for real.
I love guns, and more people should own them, but uh, preferably not the teenage lunatics that obsess over FPSs.
Wow. Jim Sterling is my hero - it took a British guy to write a piece without blatantly lying and pushing his views on firearms.
@MonkeyKing1969
I haven't researched yet, but the tomahawk must have been made by a crappy brand with crap steel, crap finish and more chances of shattering while chopping wood than actually kill someone.
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Meanwhile, cars kill thousands every year and car manufacturers don't bother to have their logos on automobiles.
@tekbunny
Hey, I am not American, so I am a part of the "rest of the world". I would not have a problem with a website selling mushrooms if they were legal where the website is hosted/aimed at.
Firearms are legal in almost every country, so don't try and compare guns to illegal drugs.
@MonkeyKing1969
I haven't researched yet, but the tomahawk must have been made by a crappy brand with crap steel, crap finish and more chances of shattering while chopping wood than actually kill someone.
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Meanwhile, cars kill thousands every year and car manufacturers don't bother to have their logos on automobiles.
@tekbunny
Hey, I am not American, so I am a part of the "rest of the world". I would not have a problem with a website selling mushrooms if they were legal where the website is hosted/aimed at.
Firearms are legal in almost every country, so don't try and compare guns to illegal drugs.
Okay, I checked out that Voodoo Hawk. Still have no idea if SOG Knives is actually a decent company or not.
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