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Wow. There has been, literally, no positive news surrounding the DA2 release. Nothing. Absolute zip.
There is a part to the story you're missing. So apparently there are two ways to report someone on an EA forum, you can report someone to the forum mods and you can report someone to EA. Whoever the user was that reported the once banned gamer reported him to EA, NOT to Bioware. So I'm still not sure if Bioware even had a way to review the offense and I'm certain EA just judged the guy as a troll.
I dunno, I thought that was an important detail. I think people have this idea that EA was hunting down every bad thing anyone says to them and banning them. Call me what you will but I genuinely believe it was just a bad call. As one of the mods here I can say I've made bad calls before and had to apologize for it. It happens.
I mean if you look at the Bioware forums stuff like "EA is cancer" and "EA ruined Bioware" is all over the place. So it's interesting that this one guy was banned from his EA account when no one else who's ever said similar things has ever gotten in trouble (except the occasional lash back from Bioware people).
He does deserve a little reparation though. A freebie or like some cheap EA game or a coupon or somethin'.
I dunno, I thought that was an important detail. I think people have this idea that EA was hunting down every bad thing anyone says to them and banning them. Call me what you will but I genuinely believe it was just a bad call. As one of the mods here I can say I've made bad calls before and had to apologize for it. It happens.
I mean if you look at the Bioware forums stuff like "EA is cancer" and "EA ruined Bioware" is all over the place. So it's interesting that this one guy was banned from his EA account when no one else who's ever said similar things has ever gotten in trouble (except the occasional lash back from Bioware people).
He does deserve a little reparation though. A freebie or like some cheap EA game or a coupon or somethin'.
I can't believe some people on other sites are saying "he deserves it".
Really? I mean, first of all EA admitted it was a mistake. Secondly, he is a paying customer - he paid $50 to play this game. If he wants to say whatever he wants, sure, he can be banned from whatever forum of discussion EA owns based on the TOS, but to ban him from playing a game he payed for? That's a dangerous game there.
Should Toyota be able to remotely disable your car because you're badmouthing their environmental policies?
Really? I mean, first of all EA admitted it was a mistake. Secondly, he is a paying customer - he paid $50 to play this game. If he wants to say whatever he wants, sure, he can be banned from whatever forum of discussion EA owns based on the TOS, but to ban him from playing a game he payed for? That's a dangerous game there.
Should Toyota be able to remotely disable your car because you're badmouthing their environmental policies?
a few days ago you were glad 3ds's could be remotely bricked. So whick is it jim? Are my bought items mine or not?
All the negative news won't ruin the game for me, of course I got my DA2 on xbox so I didn't get screwed. Yet......
@Synsthesia
the remote bricking is due to someone using R4 carts.
This was because of someone disobeying the code of conduct.
DIFFERENCE.
the remote bricking is due to someone using R4 carts.
This was because of someone disobeying the code of conduct.
DIFFERENCE.
Oh. I was expecting some story where a guy slept on the server room and accidentally laid his hand on the banhammer button.
yeah... that was indeed a total fuck up. I can see them suspending from the forums, but banning the person from playing the game was entirely inappropriate.
Frankly, banning someone from the forums for using the word "devil" also seems to be going overboard by quite a stretch. If criticism isn't allowed, then the forums aren't a valid source of information for gamers.
Frankly, banning someone from the forums for using the word "devil" also seems to be going overboard by quite a stretch. If criticism isn't allowed, then the forums aren't a valid source of information for gamers.
Oh god, what about online anonymity?! You mean making the choice to act like a shitbag troll online has an "IRL" effect?! I think it'd be pretty silly to trash a game as much as he did and then turn around and ask "hey why can't I play that game I just ragged on until I was blue in the face. I find it highly unlikely that it was one word...
This is just the beginning of the end :<
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6485560/1
http://social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/141/index/6485560/1
@watermanx
There is nothing but complaining on those forums. That's why I stand by this one time incident as a fuck up. They came clean. The most popular thread on the DA2 forum righ now is "EA is cancer." And it's totally separate from this screw up. C'mon. Clearly this is something wicked fucked up but it's not like a mass issue or they're just going around banning people who say anything negative toward EA. There's also a whole thread criticizing Bioware's defense of their game in a recent interview. Criticism is NOT being "enforced" over at the Bioware forums.
If you wanna get up in arms over something let's get back to that DRM.
There is nothing but complaining on those forums. That's why I stand by this one time incident as a fuck up. They came clean. The most popular thread on the DA2 forum righ now is "EA is cancer." And it's totally separate from this screw up. C'mon. Clearly this is something wicked fucked up but it's not like a mass issue or they're just going around banning people who say anything negative toward EA. There's also a whole thread criticizing Bioware's defense of their game in a recent interview. Criticism is NOT being "enforced" over at the Bioware forums.
If you wanna get up in arms over something let's get back to that DRM.
They replied to the guy and said it was possible to be banned from the game if you were banned from the forum.
This "accident" is bullshit, and they know it.
This "accident" is bullshit, and they know it.
Evil empire nerd drama... anyway people please go to a dictionary Publisher and Developer are diferent things, if a game sucks its developers fault. DA2 will be know as mediocre title in bioware´s record, not the first time prolly not the last.. that´s not EA fault.
I'm struggling to find any sympathy for the kid. People in these comments have mentioned that criticism on forums should be allowed, and they're right. However, namecalling =/= criticism. It's trolling. The guy deserved his ban.
A lot of people seem to forget that the fact that you're on the internet doesn't give you license to be a douche. Yeah, usually it's consequence-free but sometimes it's not and you have no room to whine. The game requires an EA account. The kid got his account banned. Thus, he can't play the game that requires it.
I dunno guys, I'm really not feeling at all sorry for him.
A lot of people seem to forget that the fact that you're on the internet doesn't give you license to be a douche. Yeah, usually it's consequence-free but sometimes it's not and you have no room to whine. The game requires an EA account. The kid got his account banned. Thus, he can't play the game that requires it.
I dunno guys, I'm really not feeling at all sorry for him.
@MatthewRD
No, Bioware replied and told him that banning from the game came from EA, that his forum account was tied to his EA account, and that should he be banned from the forums he could be banned from his EA account BUT that that was EA's business and not there's. That was an issue to take to EA.
No, Bioware replied and told him that banning from the game came from EA, that his forum account was tied to his EA account, and that should he be banned from the forums he could be banned from his EA account BUT that that was EA's business and not there's. That was an issue to take to EA.
read Xzyliac's posts after posting... and things do make more sense when given more of the story. It was just a mistake plain and simple apparently.
@Elsa
Yea, it was a mistake, but Jim admitted that in the article.
I think the real issue is that EA's "EA Account" even allows this to happen at all - as Jim says, holding your account "ransom".
Yea, it was a mistake, but Jim admitted that in the article.
I think the real issue is that EA's "EA Account" even allows this to happen at all - as Jim says, holding your account "ransom".
You guys should read this. It wasn't a mistake.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/03/11/ea-forum-bans-can-lock-you-out-of-games/
The moderator explained in great detail how the ban happened, and then added that everyone should "consider it an added incentive" to shut up on the forums. When Rockpapershotgun contacted EA, one of their representatives told them the exact same thing. They also showed in the article exactly where it confirms it in the EA terms of service. Also, people have been commenting that this has happened with other EA games since 2008 or earlier.
They just got a wave of bad press and totally buckled and reversed their position. That's fine, it was the only good call they made in all of this. But it wasn't a "glitch."
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/03/11/ea-forum-bans-can-lock-you-out-of-games/
The moderator explained in great detail how the ban happened, and then added that everyone should "consider it an added incentive" to shut up on the forums. When Rockpapershotgun contacted EA, one of their representatives told them the exact same thing. They also showed in the article exactly where it confirms it in the EA terms of service. Also, people have been commenting that this has happened with other EA games since 2008 or earlier.
They just got a wave of bad press and totally buckled and reversed their position. That's fine, it was the only good call they made in all of this. But it wasn't a "glitch."
@Tristrix
If you bought it, you have the right to play whenever you want and however you want.
Get your priorities straight.
If you bought it, you have the right to play whenever you want and however you want.
Get your priorities straight.
@Xzyliac
I don't have any problem with EA, But that still doesn't change the fact that I cant run the game over DX9.
I don't have any problem with EA, But that still doesn't change the fact that I cant run the game over DX9.
@ watermanx,
"I don't have any problem with EA, But that still doesn't change the fact that I cant run the game over DX9."
Why can't you?
"I don't have any problem with EA, But that still doesn't change the fact that I cant run the game over DX9."
Why can't you?
@Tristrix
Two things:
1. Yes, it makes sense to be banned from the FORUMS for trolling. Not the game.
2. The fact that your ability to play a game you purchased is tied to a fucking forum account is A HUGE PROBLEM. The whole EA account system is complete bullshit.
So no, this isn't a case of "he should have known, he deserves it". Internet forum behavior shouldn't have any effect on what games you're allowed to play in your own home. DA2 isn't even an MMO where the player owns a subscription. It's a singleplayer offline game that he purchased.
You'd have to be completely batshit insane to really believe he deserves getting banned from playing the game.
Two things:
1. Yes, it makes sense to be banned from the FORUMS for trolling. Not the game.
2. The fact that your ability to play a game you purchased is tied to a fucking forum account is A HUGE PROBLEM. The whole EA account system is complete bullshit.
So no, this isn't a case of "he should have known, he deserves it". Internet forum behavior shouldn't have any effect on what games you're allowed to play in your own home. DA2 isn't even an MMO where the player owns a subscription. It's a singleplayer offline game that he purchased.
You'd have to be completely batshit insane to really believe he deserves getting banned from playing the game.
You don't have a right to forums. That can be taken away.
You do have a right to the game you purchased, though
You do have a right to the game you purchased, though
@SkullLeader and Astalano
You guys should read the EULAs you agree to when you sign up for things like online accounts. I assure you, this is all disclosed, and entirely legal and on the level. Should it be? That's a separate discussion. Fact is, under the terms and conditions the kid agreed to, this is the consequence for poking the sleeping bear.
Also, with all due respect Astalano, you're unpleasant. I know Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory and everything, but can you maybe be a bit more civil to people you disagree with? Just a humble request.
You guys should read the EULAs you agree to when you sign up for things like online accounts. I assure you, this is all disclosed, and entirely legal and on the level. Should it be? That's a separate discussion. Fact is, under the terms and conditions the kid agreed to, this is the consequence for poking the sleeping bear.
Also, with all due respect Astalano, you're unpleasant. I know Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory and everything, but can you maybe be a bit more civil to people you disagree with? Just a humble request.
@Run
I had tons of problems with Dragon Age Origins, even running on Windows XP. When I asked about it on forums, I was told "just suck it up and upgrade to Windows 7". After I did that, it took me 5 hours of re-arranging .dll files to get my DLC to work. It was a nightmare.
There are similar suggestions from various tech support forums for DA2. Bioware has lost it's touch when it comes to producing PC games in terms of compatibility. Wanting people to upgrade to meet the demands of a new shiny engine is one thing, but listing low system requirements, and then having compatibility issues that directly contrast the listed requirements sucks. They should take a page from Blizzard's playbook: let everyone run it, and reward the high end users. It's literally a win-win for everyone.
Because of my personal experience, I can see why the above user is having DX9 issues.
I had tons of problems with Dragon Age Origins, even running on Windows XP. When I asked about it on forums, I was told "just suck it up and upgrade to Windows 7". After I did that, it took me 5 hours of re-arranging .dll files to get my DLC to work. It was a nightmare.
There are similar suggestions from various tech support forums for DA2. Bioware has lost it's touch when it comes to producing PC games in terms of compatibility. Wanting people to upgrade to meet the demands of a new shiny engine is one thing, but listing low system requirements, and then having compatibility issues that directly contrast the listed requirements sucks. They should take a page from Blizzard's playbook: let everyone run it, and reward the high end users. It's literally a win-win for everyone.
Because of my personal experience, I can see why the above user is having DX9 issues.
@Magnalon
Agreed. Technically it only stops you from verifying your first boot up though. That was this guys problem. Afterward I don't think it matters.
Agreed. Technically it only stops you from verifying your first boot up though. That was this guys problem. Afterward I don't think it matters.
Wow. See, this is part of the reason I used to pirate games. It's only gotten worse as anti-piracy measures have become more "effective."
o_o Wow. Just...no. It pains me that I'll probably buy some EA computer games knowing that I'll be giving support to this bull.
@Xzyliac
"Afterward I don't think it matters."
To add to my above post, I can say from experience as a Bioware PC user, that's not always true :P
If you have DLC of any kind, your save files MAY be screwed up, and you may need to log into EA's Account to verify your information.
For example:
You buy the Dragon Age II Signature Edition, which gives you Sebastian, the Exiled Prince DLC character.
You start a game, and recruit Sebastian with your only save file. Your save is now locked to the DLC.
You get banned from EA. You try to load your save, but it is unable to authenticate your DLC - in some cases, it is thereby unable to authenticate your save.
The whole system has given me a handful of stomach ulcers over the past few months. People had similar issues, I believe, with Zaeed in Mass Effect 2, and Awakening with DA:O (especially Awakening, since it was an expansion - this even caused issues with my file import in DA2!).
"Afterward I don't think it matters."
To add to my above post, I can say from experience as a Bioware PC user, that's not always true :P
If you have DLC of any kind, your save files MAY be screwed up, and you may need to log into EA's Account to verify your information.
For example:
You buy the Dragon Age II Signature Edition, which gives you Sebastian, the Exiled Prince DLC character.
You start a game, and recruit Sebastian with your only save file. Your save is now locked to the DLC.
You get banned from EA. You try to load your save, but it is unable to authenticate your DLC - in some cases, it is thereby unable to authenticate your save.
The whole system has given me a handful of stomach ulcers over the past few months. People had similar issues, I believe, with Zaeed in Mass Effect 2, and Awakening with DA:O (especially Awakening, since it was an expansion - this even caused issues with my file import in DA2!).
@Nzdjh
I don't disagree with you. I'm simply pointing out the way things are. Some people in these comments seem to have the attitude that their money entitles them to something. It doesn't. Should it? Yeah probably, but this is how it is and you tacitly agree to that anytime you pay money for a video game.
I'm not saying I'm particularly savvy about these sort of things, but I do realize that any game that accesses teh interwebz at any point for any reason (and that's pretty much all of them) comes with the risk of my 50-60 dollar game disc becoming a coaster. Thus, I keep my nose clean in my online presence, should I choose to have one. This kid we're talking about didn't do that. He trolled and there were consequences. I'm just not sympathetic to his plight.
Now, if we all want to band together in some kind of Gamer Union and boycott video games until our demands are met and the offending EULAs are changed and these practices stop, that's fine. Until then, this is all something we tacitly agree with, and we have no room to complain.
I don't disagree with you. I'm simply pointing out the way things are. Some people in these comments seem to have the attitude that their money entitles them to something. It doesn't. Should it? Yeah probably, but this is how it is and you tacitly agree to that anytime you pay money for a video game.
I'm not saying I'm particularly savvy about these sort of things, but I do realize that any game that accesses teh interwebz at any point for any reason (and that's pretty much all of them) comes with the risk of my 50-60 dollar game disc becoming a coaster. Thus, I keep my nose clean in my online presence, should I choose to have one. This kid we're talking about didn't do that. He trolled and there were consequences. I'm just not sympathetic to his plight.
Now, if we all want to band together in some kind of Gamer Union and boycott video games until our demands are met and the offending EULAs are changed and these practices stop, that's fine. Until then, this is all something we tacitly agree with, and we have no room to complain.
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