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Personally, I fell out of favor with the Uncharted series after the first one, and I *almost* wrote this game off. Having seen that video, wow. It is back on my radar. If it was free-flow, then hot damn. That is the most impressive game footage I have seen in some time. I am always a sucker for post-apocalyptic worlds.
I just don't understand what's supposed to be great about this at all. The hype and people drooling over it is so annoying.
I have to ask...how old is the girl? She looks like she's in her early to mid teens yet sounds like she's in her 30s. It's pretty jarring to hear that voice come from her.
An inventory and a standard health system with recovery items. Things I've been wanting in the new Uncharted. Better late than never.
I'm hoping the melee combat is dynamic and natural. Too much scripting kills the gameplay.
The graphics and character interactions are simply amazing.
I'm hoping the melee combat is dynamic and natural. Too much scripting kills the gameplay.
The graphics and character interactions are simply amazing.
Movies suck and now games do. Sorry not paying $60 for something I wouldn't watch at $20. Poop on my face but...shit. The thick line between film and games has dissolved greatly. Maybe I'm just a dying breed. If so then, lol.
Everybody crying "scripted" obviously hasn't been following the developer blog which clearly states that they have spent a ridiculous amount of time developing the A.I. in this game to react to your choices.
The developers have literally said they are doing what you are all doubting. The enemy A.I reacts to what you are doing. If you kill their friends, or if they run out of ammo, people can get mad/upset/scared. They'll make stupid decisions, run away, try to cut deals with you. If you run out of ammo and they hear that click, or you get shot, people will get cocky and try to flank you; if they don't hear the pin click of your empty magazine, you could bluff and just aim a gun at a person and they might back off. Some people might not even want to hurt you and will let you go by unharmed.
It's all right there on the Last of Us website and blog. Research the game before being so dismissive.
The developers have literally said they are doing what you are all doubting. The enemy A.I reacts to what you are doing. If you kill their friends, or if they run out of ammo, people can get mad/upset/scared. They'll make stupid decisions, run away, try to cut deals with you. If you run out of ammo and they hear that click, or you get shot, people will get cocky and try to flank you; if they don't hear the pin click of your empty magazine, you could bluff and just aim a gun at a person and they might back off. Some people might not even want to hurt you and will let you go by unharmed.
It's all right there on the Last of Us website and blog. Research the game before being so dismissive.
that looks fantastic.
this could be the last great game of this generation.
unless the Last Guardian eventually comes out.
Anyway, here's hoping they can cook up a better narrative than in Uncharted 3.
this could be the last great game of this generation.
unless the Last Guardian eventually comes out.
Anyway, here's hoping they can cook up a better narrative than in Uncharted 3.
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That's really impressive if the AI is really that good, but like I said, some parts are just flat out scripted, regardless of AI. The part where the guy conveniently gets distracted by something which causes him to turn his back towards you long enough for you to sneak up behind him. Or the part where there is a table conveniently overturned which provides cover at just the right time and place for you to quickly jump behind to hide from the guy coming around the corner then the girl says hey asshole, throws the brick, leaving an opening for you to hit bash his head against another convenient table. I'm like 90% sure (arbitrary percentage) that those two parts at least are scripted.
That's really impressive if the AI is really that good, but like I said, some parts are just flat out scripted, regardless of AI. The part where the guy conveniently gets distracted by something which causes him to turn his back towards you long enough for you to sneak up behind him. Or the part where there is a table conveniently overturned which provides cover at just the right time and place for you to quickly jump behind to hide from the guy coming around the corner then the girl says hey asshole, throws the brick, leaving an opening for you to hit bash his head against another convenient table. I'm like 90% sure (arbitrary percentage) that those two parts at least are scripted.
It's an E3 demo, they're going to have a lot of action to keep the audience wowed. Just because they didn't show stealth-only survival gameplay doesn't mean it won't be there.
I mean, if you go back and watch old MGS trailers, it's a lot of Snake screaming and shooting a machine gun at a bunch of guards. How often did that actually happen when you played?
It's all about marketing, and in marketing you want to show the biggest explosions.
I mean, if you go back and watch old MGS trailers, it's a lot of Snake screaming and shooting a machine gun at a bunch of guards. How often did that actually happen when you played?
It's all about marketing, and in marketing you want to show the biggest explosions.
@llort het: I'm not sure if you really understand what scripted means. What you described is known as emergent gameplay. Events that arise through mechanics and systems built in to the game. The dude being distracted by something long enough for the player to kill him could have played out very differently had the player waited longer and let the man continue walking, or if he had shot the first party of men through the window and attracted attention.
There is cover throughout the entire area, and the player jumped through 2 windows prior that did not immediately have cover on the other side. Ellie throwing the object at an enemy is also part of her A.I. - again, something the developers go in to detail about on the website. Ellie helps you dynamically in many situations depending on what is happening. If there was more than one guy, or if the player had ammo, or if the player had stayed in the room instead of going out behind the cover they were in, she wouldn't have tried anything.
Go give the blogs and interviews a watch to hear just how detailed their A.I. system is.
There is cover throughout the entire area, and the player jumped through 2 windows prior that did not immediately have cover on the other side. Ellie throwing the object at an enemy is also part of her A.I. - again, something the developers go in to detail about on the website. Ellie helps you dynamically in many situations depending on what is happening. If there was more than one guy, or if the player had ammo, or if the player had stayed in the room instead of going out behind the cover they were in, she wouldn't have tried anything.
Go give the blogs and interviews a watch to hear just how detailed their A.I. system is.
This looks awesome. Cinematic, but it looks like its based on what tactical choices you make during combat. Dynamic cinematics :0
LOLOLOL GAMES R NOT MOVIES DURRR
It'd be so funny to go back to 1998 and tell people that in 2012 we would be looking down on "cinematic" games as if it's a bad thing.
I want this game now
It'd be so funny to go back to 1998 and tell people that in 2012 we would be looking down on "cinematic" games as if it's a bad thing.
I want this game now
Young-Girlcharted. Pretty environments, I guess.
Now I know that overscripted cover-shooters with cinematic trailers will always be considered "best in show."
Now I know that overscripted cover-shooters with cinematic trailers will always be considered "best in show."
This was my personal favourite game of the show, with Watch_Dogs a close second. The level of detail in the demo was astounding. The facial and body animations were incredible, and there were some really nice little touches too, like when Joel backs up against the wardrobe and a shirt rattles on it's hanger. Amazing stuff.
And Skribble is right, too many people are dismissing the demo as "LOL SCRIPTED!!" The developer diaries that have been released, not to mention the numerous interviews with the two top dogs working on the game, all state how much effort is going into the AI. A little gameplay tweaking is necessary for any E3 showing because it has to attract as much attention as possible. But to dismiss the whole thing as scripted is silly.
And Skribble is right, too many people are dismissing the demo as "LOL SCRIPTED!!" The developer diaries that have been released, not to mention the numerous interviews with the two top dogs working on the game, all state how much effort is going into the AI. A little gameplay tweaking is necessary for any E3 showing because it has to attract as much attention as possible. But to dismiss the whole thing as scripted is silly.
That was friggin' great! I love the bookbag inventory and low ammo count. I'm glad this isnt another uncharted bullet marathon with the same event playing over and over in a different location.
Another reason I really should get a PS3.
That looked so much fucking fun, lets just hope the way all of those brutal little moments unfold is organic and not so scripted. Either way, I'm impressed.
That looked so much fucking fun, lets just hope the way all of those brutal little moments unfold is organic and not so scripted. Either way, I'm impressed.
Am I the only one who’s really curious to see what happens when you interact with that “Dawn of the Wolf” poster?
None of that looked scripted to me, it was all situational, moment to moment stuff, I mean, obviously the guy playing steered it in a certain direction for the purposes of showing off, but it all looked emergent to me. I can’t wait to bluff and hold a guy hostage with no bullets.
Also, I love how the girl seems to have developed a foul mouth from hanging around with this gruff southern guy for so long.
None of that looked scripted to me, it was all situational, moment to moment stuff, I mean, obviously the guy playing steered it in a certain direction for the purposes of showing off, but it all looked emergent to me. I can’t wait to bluff and hold a guy hostage with no bullets.
Also, I love how the girl seems to have developed a foul mouth from hanging around with this gruff southern guy for so long.
i do alot of urban exploring (for photography) and im loving the environments and look of this game. this is going to be amazing.
If this isn't scripted than the interactions are incredible. From what I've heard it isn't so this is just going to flat out amazing.
I only want a little more context to the mindless killing, which I'm fairly sure they'll give in game.
So yeah, basically, GET IN ME.
So yeah, basically, GET IN ME.
I don't care if it's scripted (even though, from the sounds of things, it's not), as I've never seen that as much of a detractor from the gameplay. Really excited for this, but watch_dogs is still game of the show for me.
I don't care if it's scripted (even though, from the sounds of things, it's not), as I've never seen that as much of a detractor from the gameplay. Really excited for this, but watch_dogs is still game of the show for me.
Looks good and made me consider getting a PS3 this late in the game (something I've been doing for a little while now, but haven't seen a point because I've waited this long, figuring the next gen is right around the corner) or wish that Naughty Dog wasn't a Sony first party dev (despite knowing what that gives them, I can't help to think about the kind of money they'd make in the wider market -these guys are masters)
This is a must-buy for me as a fan of survival-horror and Uncharted being one of my favorite series.
This looks pretty great! Yes it does look pretty scripted, which is a little troubling, but some of that seemed to add to immersion. The "Holy shit, Joel..." after the molotov cocktail seemed to indicate a sense of "Wow, I've never seen that side of you before.." which I thought was awesome. But with games being only able to hold so much data, I feel like that sound clip could/would be re-used over and over again and completely remove that feeling of immersion.
Also, that last shot with the guy begging for his life before getting his face blown off... gave me a chill. I don't think I'm down with that sort of stuff, even if it is "just a video game."
Also, that last shot with the guy begging for his life before getting his face blown off... gave me a chill. I don't think I'm down with that sort of stuff, even if it is "just a video game."
the game looks great, if not heavily scripted. that being said, whenever i see the characters i cant help but think "bearded drake and juno in monsterworld".
This video is different from the one that played during the live feed. When Joel ascends the ladder in this video, Joel goes to the right. Last night he just went left, up the crumbling stairs. Everything else plays out EXACTLY the same... so... take from it what you will. I'm leaning toward scripted, but I still want it.
Also, the audio is a lot better in this video. As they cross the roof Joel can hear the people inside talking about ‘tourist’, saying “Those tourist put up a hell of a fight, took two of us to put ‘em down.”
“How many is that now?”
“Five just this week. I’m not complaining though!”
“I bet you’re not!”
After Joel chokes out the guy inside, the other that spots him screams, “Tourist! Over here! and he’s got a bleeping gun!”
‘Tourist’ is clearly so sort of thieves cant or slang for their victims. So Joel not letting the guy live? Yeah. It wasn’t in cold blood he pulled the trigger, he knows the hooligans being dealt with.
Also, the audio is a lot better in this video. As they cross the roof Joel can hear the people inside talking about ‘tourist’, saying “Those tourist put up a hell of a fight, took two of us to put ‘em down.”
“How many is that now?”
“Five just this week. I’m not complaining though!”
“I bet you’re not!”
After Joel chokes out the guy inside, the other that spots him screams, “Tourist! Over here! and he’s got a bleeping gun!”
‘Tourist’ is clearly so sort of thieves cant or slang for their victims. So Joel not letting the guy live? Yeah. It wasn’t in cold blood he pulled the trigger, he knows the hooligans being dealt with.
I mean some sort of thieves cant and that he knows the TYPE of hooligans he's dealing with. Not that he knows them personally.
That looks fucking good, man. Assuming the amount of detail remains consistent without sacrificing too much player freedom, I'd totally dig it. I enjoyed the back-and-forth between Joel and the teenager. Very organic and paced well, even better than Half Life 2 from the looks of it.
I was really expecting the mutated things to jump out, so I was a little disappointed with the video. I am also a tad fatigued on cover-based shooting, but if that video wasn't scripted, then it looks like the game is focusing on amazing AI to sell the experience.
Overall it looks like one of the top games of this E3. I still hold Watch Dogs in higher regard, though.
Overall it looks like one of the top games of this E3. I still hold Watch Dogs in higher regard, though.
It wasn't scripted. He couldve gone through thr window with the two guys before choking the guy through the other window. If he didn't waste his ammo he couldve shot the guy that said I know that sound. If he saved ammo he couldve killed the shotgun guy before even running into him before the room sequence. And if they waited long enough before the first choke, the two guys you see in the window wouldve left the room and you couldve entered to avoid the whole situation, no conflict at al.
It wasn't scripted. He couldve gone through thr window with the two guys before choking the guy through the other window. If he didn't waste his ammo he couldve shot the guy that said I know that sound. If he saved ammo he couldve killed the shotgun guy before even running into him before the room sequence. And if they waited long enough before the first choke, the two guys you see in the window wouldve left the room and you couldve entered to avoid the whole situation, no conflict at al.
If say you run out of ammo earlier, your team mate would react to that and help you out by throwing the brick earlier. Then this has to be one of the most elegantly crafted games to date. When programming comes to this level where AI react properly to the game world and game state, this is the future of games
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