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myth: old castlevanias were good
truth: they sucked. lords of shadows is not just a genuinely amazing game, its also the first genuinely amazing castlevania game, period.
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truth: they sucked. lords of shadows is not just a genuinely amazing game, its also the first genuinely amazing castlevania game, period.
MYTH BUSTED
I'm quite pleased with this. Right now as I'm typing this, "Final Confrontation" from the Castlevania Lords of Shadow soundtrack is playing. I love the OST, also when my desire for the older tracks set-in, I just go to the Castlevania playlist I have with my X360. I've got every Castlevania/Akumajo Dracula OST on there.
Seriously, that's one of the things I love about the X360....custom soundtracks for every game.
Seriously, that's one of the things I love about the X360....custom soundtracks for every game.
@AdamantiumHip
Whoa, I think you're lost man. IGN is a few blocks down the road.
Anyway, I gotta say that I do miss the incredibly varied soundtracks of the past. Symphony of the Night's soundtrack is easily in my top 5 of all time. Orchestral compositions are fine, but it's obviously the "we need to make this seem epic and cinematic" move that is the primary driver for their use most of the time, with enriching the experience coming secondary.
The LoS soundtrack was fine, though, and with the entire industry seemingly moving in one musical direction, the series could have done much much worse.
Whoa, I think you're lost man. IGN is a few blocks down the road.
Anyway, I gotta say that I do miss the incredibly varied soundtracks of the past. Symphony of the Night's soundtrack is easily in my top 5 of all time. Orchestral compositions are fine, but it's obviously the "we need to make this seem epic and cinematic" move that is the primary driver for their use most of the time, with enriching the experience coming secondary.
The LoS soundtrack was fine, though, and with the entire industry seemingly moving in one musical direction, the series could have done much much worse.
The soundtrack for Lords of Shadow is amazing, like BkV said, "Final Confrontation" is like...One Winged Angel level good imo.
This is off topic but, why haven't I seen any videogame publication mentioning how the Close Quarters dlc does not fucking work for BF3 premium members in the US?
Shit has been going on for about 2 days now.
Shit has been going on for about 2 days now.
@AdamantiumHip
You're fired.
Konami still hasn't topped Castlevania 3. They almost did with "Super" Castlevania 4. Then Iga took over and all the characters look like Daryl Hannah in lady-coats and pirate bondage now.
You're fired.
Konami still hasn't topped Castlevania 3. They almost did with "Super" Castlevania 4. Then Iga took over and all the characters look like Daryl Hannah in lady-coats and pirate bondage now.
@adamantiumhip
You have a shitty taste in videogames if you consider all previous Castlevania titles bad.
Oscar Araujo Is good at what he does, I'm glad they kept him around. I remember Araujo saying that he was working on the soundtrack for the sequel right after LoS came out.
You have a shitty taste in videogames if you consider all previous Castlevania titles bad.
Oscar Araujo Is good at what he does, I'm glad they kept him around. I remember Araujo saying that he was working on the soundtrack for the sequel right after LoS came out.
I can't disagree more with the assessment that Araujo's soundtrack somehow beats the music of past games. His compositions are just generic orchestral tracks...the old music had clear hooks, and memorable melodies. I think RPG music in general is becoming too generic.
@Sirsniffy
I totally agree. Seriously, when did memorable, distinct and original music became obsolete? Nearly every darn game today sounds exactly the same - same generic orchestral "trailer music"! I remember so many great, GREAT tunes from old games. I remember them after a decade and more! How many soundtracks do I remember from recent games? Well, almost none. There is a good tune here and there sometimes, like Mass Effect or Bastion, but the rest of them are absolutely blaaaaand!
Remember "Bloody Tears"? That is what I call "EPIC". The soundtrack for Lords of Shadow is just OK. As far as OK'ness of a standard orchestral music goes. Not impressed, sorry.
I totally agree. Seriously, when did memorable, distinct and original music became obsolete? Nearly every darn game today sounds exactly the same - same generic orchestral "trailer music"! I remember so many great, GREAT tunes from old games. I remember them after a decade and more! How many soundtracks do I remember from recent games? Well, almost none. There is a good tune here and there sometimes, like Mass Effect or Bastion, but the rest of them are absolutely blaaaaand!
Remember "Bloody Tears"? That is what I call "EPIC". The soundtrack for Lords of Shadow is just OK. As far as OK'ness of a standard orchestral music goes. Not impressed, sorry.
I won't deny music in general in video games is becoming very one sided or just filler (Hell, it's my job as a composer/arranger so I try to stay clear of this kind of open discussion due to potential bias), however I will say that if you compare this man's work alongside the low quality stale standards of other's right now, this man's work is alot better, specifically stronger theme dynamic in his writing and it really suits what is on-screen.
In saying that it's just not a fluid image hearing a retro upbeat rock opera styled song like the old days with the type of imagery they are going for in the rebooted series - The only time it would fly is if Kojima camped up the characters like he did with Raiden during MGS4, you know, to that "cringe"-worthy, androgynous campy Shibuya/Tokyo pop-cultural factor...
So, I think some of us have to accept that, however of course I will not say the movement of the series musically or visually is overall an evolution, but it's what it is - Of course, I still keep close the memories of the amazing music produced of the latter year games of this Castlevania series.
In saying that it's just not a fluid image hearing a retro upbeat rock opera styled song like the old days with the type of imagery they are going for in the rebooted series - The only time it would fly is if Kojima camped up the characters like he did with Raiden during MGS4, you know, to that "cringe"-worthy, androgynous campy Shibuya/Tokyo pop-cultural factor...
So, I think some of us have to accept that, however of course I will not say the movement of the series musically or visually is overall an evolution, but it's what it is - Of course, I still keep close the memories of the amazing music produced of the latter year games of this Castlevania series.
LoS had a solid soundtrack, but it wasn't memorable. I think that sums up LoS pretty well actually.
Vampire Killer, Bloody Tears, Heart of Fire are classic songs. CV1 and SoTN are Classic Game. LoS is a decent entry with decent music in an AMAZING Series.
Vampire Killer, Bloody Tears, Heart of Fire are classic songs. CV1 and SoTN are Classic Game. LoS is a decent entry with decent music in an AMAZING Series.
Played symphony of the night. It's horribly dated.
castlevania was always a fantastic idea, poorly executed.
Lord of Shadows finally did it right.
castlevania was always a fantastic idea, poorly executed.
Lord of Shadows finally did it right.
LOL at crappy 2d jap games being compared to a 3D masterpiece that looks visually like a del toro movie.
Keep those rose tinted glass on, fanboy nerds.
Keep those rose tinted glass on, fanboy nerds.
Michiru Yamane's work on Castlevania: Bloodlines was svelte. And yes, she certainly beats all the generic, swelling Hollywood cues of the current gen.
I'm pretty sure she took a long nap between Symphony of the Night and Order of Ecclesia, though. Everything in between (even her non-Castlevania stuff) was pretty forgettable.
I'm pretty sure she took a long nap between Symphony of the Night and Order of Ecclesia, though. Everything in between (even her non-Castlevania stuff) was pretty forgettable.
I'm so mixed on this. I'm playing through Lords of Shadow right now, and the music accompanies the game very well. Coming off a cliff to see the castle for the first time, battling a giant titan, and even the death themes are very memorable for what they do. I enjoy the music very much, but it still doesn't have that Castlevania sound in my opinion. Hopefully he can mix some of that in the sequel.
Um, why would the music of games that still exist effect your opinion of the music of a completely new game's new music? I don't understand this idea of old games completely changing the quality of games that come out. Those games are still there and there will most likely be entries that continue the same feel of the old Castlevania titles. Lords of Shadow was an amazing and original game that used the countless differing universes of Castlevania games in the past and it's themes as inspiration for something that would finally take the series seriously. If you have to, take the name Castlevania name off the game and just play Lords of Shadow for what it is . . . just please everyone . . . stop with this nostalgia bullshit. People act as if you'd be happier that the game never came out because the new one somehow robbed you of the experience they've had with the originals.
Lol, and yeah, sorry about butchering that last sentence at the end . . . I'm sure you guys can figure it out through context. You're intelligent internet users.
jystelli, its not a troll.
I genuinely don't see how some poorly animated, incredibly dated games that never changed from the original NES to pre lord of shadows could be considered better than the gothic masterpiece that lords of shadow was. I will never understand that.
I played sympony of the night on xbla, and i thought it was terrible. Horribly dated. I understand people are nostalgic about crap like that, but if you were honest with yourself, the old castlevanias took a great idea and threw it away. Lord of shadows thankfully changed that.
I genuinely don't see how some poorly animated, incredibly dated games that never changed from the original NES to pre lord of shadows could be considered better than the gothic masterpiece that lords of shadow was. I will never understand that.
I played sympony of the night on xbla, and i thought it was terrible. Horribly dated. I understand people are nostalgic about crap like that, but if you were honest with yourself, the old castlevanias took a great idea and threw it away. Lord of shadows thankfully changed that.
Anyone who says the LoS soundtrack is generic and/or not memorable and/or not good is a fucking MORON.
The old music, like the games, became stale because it re-used the same themes and material time and time again. I love bloody tears, but sweet Christ, that song has probably shown up at least ten times throughout the history of the franchise.
Super Castlevania IV is my favorite game of all time, and the Castlevania series is my favorite game franchise of all time, but I can't think of a series that needed a complete reboot more than that one. I liked what Mercury Steam did with Lords of Shadow--it wasn't perfect, but it showed much promise--and I'm excited to see what they will do next, especially with the criminally underrated Araujo returning for the soundtrack.
Honestly, LoS was one of the best soundtracks I've had the privilege of listening to, videogame or otherwise, and I can't wait to hear what he does next.
Super Castlevania IV is my favorite game of all time, and the Castlevania series is my favorite game franchise of all time, but I can't think of a series that needed a complete reboot more than that one. I liked what Mercury Steam did with Lords of Shadow--it wasn't perfect, but it showed much promise--and I'm excited to see what they will do next, especially with the criminally underrated Araujo returning for the soundtrack.
Honestly, LoS was one of the best soundtracks I've had the privilege of listening to, videogame or otherwise, and I can't wait to hear what he does next.
I loved the OST for LoS, and it was entirely fitting for the game. I didn't miss the old ones at all while playing. If he wants to mix it up in future games though, I won't complain.
He's not my favorite composer ever or anything, but I thought his stuff was really well done, and really fitting for the mood of the game. The old Castlevania OST would have stuck out like a sore thumb in that game.
He's not my favorite composer ever or anything, but I thought his stuff was really well done, and really fitting for the mood of the game. The old Castlevania OST would have stuck out like a sore thumb in that game.
@AdamantiumHip
Myth: New Castlevania is better than old Castlevania.
Truth: Nobody says that! There are over 25 game in the series, and to make a blanket statement that they are all bad is just mindless fanboy ignorance and illogical. Most people agree that LoS was a God of War rip-off. A good rip-off to be fair, but it felt so little like Castlevania that it hardly deserved the name.
Fake myth not only busted, but proved non-existent. Fanboy spanked.
Myth: New Castlevania is better than old Castlevania.
Truth: Nobody says that! There are over 25 game in the series, and to make a blanket statement that they are all bad is just mindless fanboy ignorance and illogical. Most people agree that LoS was a God of War rip-off. A good rip-off to be fair, but it felt so little like Castlevania that it hardly deserved the name.
Fake myth not only busted, but proved non-existent. Fanboy spanked.
Btw, Oscar was the first one who revealed that he was working on the sequel's soundtrack... so we knew this already.
Nicholas:
LOL if you think a 2D shitty graphics jap game with poor story and dialogue is better than an epic , sweeping 3d combat game.
I know you little fanboys are in denial about it, but put it to most average, non castlevania fanboy gamers, give them ten minutes with Symphony, and ten minutes with Lord of shadows, see what they prefer.
Your old cvs have been abandoned in favour of the new superior lord of shadows timeline. You mad? stay mad!
MYTH: old cvs are superio
MYTH BUSTED
LOL if you think a 2D shitty graphics jap game with poor story and dialogue is better than an epic , sweeping 3d combat game.
I know you little fanboys are in denial about it, but put it to most average, non castlevania fanboy gamers, give them ten minutes with Symphony, and ten minutes with Lord of shadows, see what they prefer.
Your old cvs have been abandoned in favour of the new superior lord of shadows timeline. You mad? stay mad!
MYTH: old cvs are superio
MYTH BUSTED
Nicholas:
LOL if you think a 2D shitty graphics game with poor story and dialogue is better than an epic , sweeping 3d combat game.
You should be greatful your old , shitty date series has been allowed to share the same name with LOS.
I know you little fanboys are in denial about it, but put it to most average, non castlevania fanboy gamers, give them ten minutes with Symphony, and ten minutes with Lord of shadows, see what they prefer.
Your old cvs have been abandoned in favour of the new superior lord of shadows timeline. You mad? stay mad!
MYTH: old cvs are superior
MYTH BUSTED
LOL if you think a 2D shitty graphics game with poor story and dialogue is better than an epic , sweeping 3d combat game.
You should be greatful your old , shitty date series has been allowed to share the same name with LOS.
I know you little fanboys are in denial about it, but put it to most average, non castlevania fanboy gamers, give them ten minutes with Symphony, and ten minutes with Lord of shadows, see what they prefer.
Your old cvs have been abandoned in favour of the new superior lord of shadows timeline. You mad? stay mad!
MYTH: old cvs are superior
MYTH BUSTED
Hmm my ''Jap game'' comment come off sounding harsher than I meant it.
Japan has some good games, but castlevania was a concept that, to me, was always crying out for a western developer since it uses western monsters and pop culture. The old cvs were typically japanese, with effeminite characters and villains and stilted writing and dialogue.
I am so very glad that it went to mercury steam. If you enjoy the old games fair enough, but I much prefer the beautiful imagary , remincisent of del toro, and superior 3d combat of lords of shadows
Japan has some good games, but castlevania was a concept that, to me, was always crying out for a western developer since it uses western monsters and pop culture. The old cvs were typically japanese, with effeminite characters and villains and stilted writing and dialogue.
I am so very glad that it went to mercury steam. If you enjoy the old games fair enough, but I much prefer the beautiful imagary , remincisent of del toro, and superior 3d combat of lords of shadows
Tbh, do you really think that the developers of the old 2D castlevania games would have made the original games in 2D if they had the technology to make it in 3D? 3D castlevania games are just natural evolution for the series. If you don't like it, go play the old games, they haven't just magically disappeared. As for the orchestral lords of shadow soundtrack, same story there, its a natural evolution to match the new artistic direction of the Castlevania series. As for people who claim that C:LoS had an unmemorable soundtrack, please get a clue. Please.
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