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E3: EEDAR analyst on Microsoft, Nintendo, and Sony photo

E3 is just around the corner! And while the press is groaning about long days of hard work playing videogames and drinking, gamers are looking forward to news on their favorite franchises. Or perhaps even something that comes out of the blue and will blow us all away?

Chad has asked unprocessed dog and cat kebabs about their predictions for E3 earlier this week. But today, let's take a look at some predictions and expectations from an industry perspective instead; specifically on the hardware and development support side. Last Monday I asked Jesse Divnich, Vice President at EEDAR -- a company devoted to videogame analytics, research, and forecasting -- for his thoughts on what the Big Three console manufacturers may, and should, bring to the table at E3.



Sony

The software lineup for Sony is without a doubt (*pre-E3 coughs*) stronger than Microsoft and Nintendo's offerings. But the expectations for its new NGP -- or PlayStation Vita -- handheld are ranging from "Let's see how much it will cost first" to "I want it now, take my money!"

A high price might keep consumers from jumping on it en masse at launch, which might give third-party developers some second thoughts about whether the platform will have a large enough install base. How does an analyst look at the NGP, and is there some sort of formula that will predict platform success?

Divnich: "I have no doubt that the NGP will be an incredible win for the industry and it would be foolish for anyone to be quick to judge the NGP based upon its predecessor: the PSP. The PSP was incredibly successful, and one of the top selling platforms of all times. Unfortunately, piracy and the lack of original third-party support ultimately sent the PSP to the graveyard. This time around, however, I believe Sony has gone through the necessary growing pains in the handheld market and we should all expect the NGP to deliver on what will be high promises at E3.

"They nailed an exclusive Call of Duty game, that is definitely a good start. The PlayStation 3 came flying out of the gate -- hardware shortages made mainstream headlines. The Nintendo DS, however, had a few slow start. There are no universal formulas when it comes to install bases; each platform has its own recipe for success."

The new handheld might become a bigger success than the PSP ever was. And while mobile gaming companies often taunt the handhelds, I still have to think long and hard at dropping more than $10 on an iOS RPG while I wouldn't think twice before paying $30-40 for something great on an NGP.

But what about the already existing PlayStation Move? So far it seems to have failed to capture the casual Wii crowd while there's not exactly a long list of good core games that you need Move for either. Should we even bother with Move at this point?

Divnich: "It is very tough to imitate a competitor and expect near identical success. Imitation rarely results in financial replication. "Been there done that" is what I would say. But don't get me wrong, there are companies that exist that do nothing but imitate market leaders. There is nothing wrong with the imitation, it still can make money. Not as much as the original market leader, but still profitable.

"The PlayStation Move was a successful product, very few games or technologies can cross that 5 million unit market, and Sony was able to do it in a matter of months. Let's not crap all over them for jumping on the motion bandwagon or because it was beaten by the "Kinect".

"Core gamers for the longest time complained that the Wii didn't offer enough core motion controlled games. Well, complaints heard and answered. I think we learned after Madworld's failure on the Wii that it may not always be beneficial to listen to your "customers" (and don't play Monday Morning Analyst with me on this). [Editor's note: that means you, deliciously tasty readers]

"In my opinion, full body motion controls only belong in three types of games: Sports, Fitness, and Dance -- that's it. Sure games like Kinectimals and Eye Pet are incredibly addictive, but they don't necessarily have the power to sustain consumers interest."

Nintendo

Project Café's unveiling is only a mere few days away now, and all the rumors and murmurings seem to indicate that it will be friendlier to third-party developers -- at least on the hardware side -- than the Wii was. Which would be great for Nintendo, as the Wii has lost its third-party development support over the last year or so. Is Nintendo just playing catch-up to regain third-party support, or is it a case of "too little, too late"?

Divnich: "In 2006 we all laughed at the announcement of the Wii -- look at us now. Say what you will about the Wii, but it will be the best selling home console of all time. Nintendo has dominated this industry for over 20 years, I think it is safe to say they deserve the benefit of the doubt on whatever consoles or handheld they launch."

"On Project Café, we do expect strong third-party support, likely stronger than what we witnessed on the Wii. There were hundreds of millions of dollars left on the third-party table over their relaxed approach to supporting the Wii. That mistake won’t happen again. We should also see more core focused games as well.

"I think it is safe to say that this time around the controls and graphics will be a little more core friendly, but original enough to ensure that Project Café doesn’t become a port dumping ground like the GameCube was.

"I disagree, however, that games like Grand Theft Auto, Call of Duty, or any other big AAA title needs to have a "Café" port. That would be utterly ridiculous. The reason core gamers own a  Wii (and you do, don't lie!) is because it offers up a style of interactive entertainment (and brands) that the Xbox 360 doesn't offer.

"If there is anything we learned from the PS2/Xbox/GameCube era, it is that our industry cannot support three consoles that offer up similar games and similar controls. While I do believe Project Café games will both appeal to the casual and core audience, the games will in no way be ports of current Xbox 360/PS3 games. Yes, you will see some ports, but mark my words, none of them will be successful."

Microsoft

The software behemoth has been pretty successful in getting a foothold in the console market, but we still don't know what exactly to make of Kinect. If anything, Microsoft needs to bring a lot of exclusives to the table to keep Sony off its back in general, but what should we expect from its E3 offerings for the motion peripheral?

Divnich: "I am en route to see Microsoft’s E3 line-up, so I can only hope my theories prove right in the end. The Kinect was great, it broke records and set new standards for the industry, but I would argue over its long-term sustainability in the market. Again, only three types of games belong on the Kinect; Sports, Fitness, and Dance. And yes, games like Child of Eden look great and will have a strong core appeal, but I have doubts on its commercial success. Remember Madworld for the Wii? Same situation, in my opinion.

"But of course, my negative outlook on the Kinect is entirely based on the assumption that the hardware today, is the same tomorrow. If Microsoft comes to E3 with some type of Super Kinect (maybe it incorporates smell!) than that could charge my opinion. But looking at sales right now, if you are not a Sports, Dance, or Fitness game, you are not selling on the Kinect.

"I think the bombardment of all these motion-based games has taught us a great lesson.  We as consumers prefer our gaming to happen on the couch. Yeah, we don’t mind getting up and shaking our groove thing from time to time -- motion based gaming has its place -- but ultimately, when it is 11PM and we just finished a Domino's pizza, the last thing we want to do is frail our arms and legs around in the living room.

Post-E3

While E3 may yet surprise us in some ways, Sony seems set to offer a very strong line-up of exclusives for the PS3 in 2011 while Microsoft only has Kinect and Gears of War to rely on when it comes to big names. But Sony has also had its debacle with PSN in recent months. Will consumers have forgotten all about that when they get their hands on Uncharted 3?

Divnich: "It was once thought that for a system to succeed, it needed strong first-party content. And for the most part that still remains true today, except it is clear the weight of exclusive content is not as heavy as in previous generations.

"I sincerely hope that the PS3 sees a momentum shift after E3. It certainly deserves it, but it may be a few months before consumers get over the PSN debacle. But I have no doubt in my mind that consumer confidence will ultimately return, it always does. Consumers are more forgiving than we give them credit for."

And what about Nintendo? Is there data that would indicate that something like The Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword can cut into sales of other games on other platforms? Will people who own multiple consoles and a PC skip one AAA title in favor of Skyward Sword or save money for, say, Pikmin 3 if it is announced?

Divnich: "Wii sales are still incredibly successful, and Nintendo expects to manufacture over 100 million software discs this year. Maybe the third-party left a little bit early? Trust me, there is plenty of money to be made on the Wii still.

"While Skyward Sword's sales will likely sell fewer units than if it was released two years ago, it will still be incredibly successful and most certainly surpass 3 million units. There is a misconception that consumers “save” their money for video games. They don’t. At least not for games 6+ months out. Once we get into the -30 day time frame, then consumers begin to think more about how to work that new AAA game into their financials."


However all of it will pan out in the end is something that we'll just have to wait and see. And at least we'll know what will be on offer in the near and not-too-distant future when it's all unveiled next week. Right? Except for those things that are saved for the Tokyo Game Show and gamescom later this year... drat.








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Scissors's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:08
Scissors
What was said about Nintendo was pretty spot on
Wolfy-Boey's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:14
Wolfy-Boey
BUT KATE SAID THERE WILL DARK CLOUD 3!!!!
mix's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:17
mix
Totally agree with the motion control blurb in the Sony part.

"...but ultimately, when it is 11PM and we just finished a Domino's pizza, the last thing we want to do is frail our arms and legs around in the living room" - Hells to the YES!
EternalDeathSlayer's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:22
EternalDeathSlayer
Jesse Divinich has totally outclassed Micheal Pachter at this point. He knows what the fuck he is talking about and I honestly expect him to be right about every single thing he said.

That said, I feel bad for Mike P. He's one of the original "rock star" analysts, the guys whose names you actually see and whose voices you actually hear.

But this guy is way better. I've enjoyed these little conversations between you and Jesse, Maurice.
TheJesusNinja26's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:24
TheJesusNinja26
I have NOT touched my PS3 Move controllers in MONTHS! Sure they sold the accessories, but what software is there? Almost nothing worth a darn, I didn't play KZ3 using it so not sure if that worked well or not, but other than Bocce Ball I haven't touched it.

KINECT works so much better than the other two, they just need to make games that can fully utilize it. As a father of a son with Autism I really think that KINECT can help train kids on the Spectrum how to interact and mimmic others in a penalty free environment. I've emailed Kudo Tsunoda about this tremendous opportunity using the KINECT.

I have high hopes for the CAFE to return to the NES, SNES, N64 days of solid games that are enjoyable. All that was missing is HD and great online play. The Wii sold consoles, but was mainly a total bust in my opinion that's why third parties (other than shovelware) stopped developing for it, and why Nintendo is moving to a new console only 4/5 years later. Where Sony and M$ will have the two current consoles running for many years to come. Even though Sony has said they're 'working on' the next console, that might not show for 3 years from now most likely. M$ may say they're "working on" the next console now too, which honestly if you're not thinking ahead to the next console 1 year into the current one being released you're going to be left behind. If you know anything about Moore's law these companies have to plan ahead and then wait for the technology to be developed then start working on it, but by the time the console comes out the tech is already 1 year to 18 months old. Moore's law and technology are a tough thing to keep up with, but on the whole I think all 3 have done a pretty good job of it. (Aside from the Wii for the most part.)

I think this will be a good E3, maybe nothing jaw dropping, but a good one. And GOOD is better than bad, that is for sure.

I hope all 3 have such a great showing that it's too close to call, that is really what would be best for gaming and gamers.

***Ninja Vanish***
Pencoin's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:24
Pencoin
@Wolfy-Boey

I don't expect Level5 to make Darkcloud 3 until at least Ni no Kuni is finished, perhaps until even White Knight Chronicles 3 is out the way. (It's a trilogy)

And who knows: By that time we could be onto the next generation of game consoles!
RichardBlaine's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:28
RichardBlaine
Cool article. Thank you, sir.
Wolfy-Boey's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:30
Wolfy-Boey
@Pencoin

I know, I know, and they have a metricton of 3DS/DS and PSP games to finish first.

A man can dream...
Gol-D-Roger's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:36
Gol-D-Roger
@mix: That blurb is from the microsoft part.

Can't wait for e3, hope there's some truly surprising announcements.
Rockefellow's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:38
Rockefellow
No mention of the 3DS for Nintendo's part here? That's a bit surprising. However, I was impressed with this interview and the knowledge Divnich showed of the industry. It seemed far more impressive than any other "analyst" (Patcher, you fucker, I'm thinking of you) and very open-minded of all companies' success.

Also, I am drunk. Carry on
GohanGVO's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:45
GohanGVO
Two tiny notes:

- The Wii will not be the best-selling console of all time. At only 86 million units, there is little chance that it will come close to the 150 million unit mark the PS2 passed a few months ago.

- MadWorld didn't "fail" because it was on the Wii or because consumers don't want that type of content; MadWorld didn't do all that great because it wasn't a good enough game to warrant huge sales (and I'm someone who think it gets more crap than it should).

Apart from that, I agree with his assessments. The last thing the world needs now is for Nintendo to offer up a me-too console. That would be the most BORING option for them to take, and it would just lead to another generation of folks buying nothing but Nintendo software.
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:49
Kyle MacGregor
Pretty interesting and agreeable stuff.
Salvathras's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:50
Salvathras
Unless he knows a lot we don't (like price or unannounced games) I don't really see where his optimism regarding NGP comes from.
Fuzunga's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 16:58
Fuzunga
Still nobody takes my advice. The proper term is "installed base". I guarantee you guys will sound smarter than everyone else if you spell it right.
Stealth's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 17:09
Stealth
no exclusive ngp call of duty was ever announced, hes mistaken. If anything the 3ds will get alot of its own. After all the ds got 4
myosan8bit's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 17:47
myosan8bit
can't wait....so excited....gonna sell my dead granny for games.....
Malik's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 17:53
Malik
@GohanGVO

The original Playstation is also over 100 million.
El Conrado's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 18:07
El Conrado
GohanGVO
"The Wii will not be the best-selling console of all time. At only 86 million units, there is little chance that it will come close to the 150 million unit mark the PS2 passed a few months ago."

The PS2 reached 100 million unites after 5 years and 9 months on the market. It was 81.39 million by the end of 2004 and 91 million by 2005.

The Wii hasn't reached it's 5th year yet, so it is still perfectly possible it will beat the PS2. It already has year-by-year.
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 18:26
pedrovay2003
I totally agree with the Nintendo stuff.

Who is this guy? He's actually making SENSE.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 19:30
The Silent Protagonist
@Gohan - Nintendo DS eclipsed PS2 in sales. Just sayin'.
Oishidesu's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 19:45
Oishidesu
@The Silent Protagonist
The Nintendo DS isn't a console, it's a handheld. Why are there people saying the Wii is the best selling home console ever? Is it because of the Sony hate that a lot of people still seem to have that they don't care about the two past Playstations, which are the two most successful home consoles ever?
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 20:08
DinnertimeNinja
"Say what you will about the Wii, but it will be the best selling home console of all time."

There's pretty much a zero percent chance this will happen since it only has 85 Million units out there and the PS2 has 150 million. Once Project Cafe comes out (With the ability to play Wii games, no less) hardly anyone will buy the Wii. And hell, the PS2 is STILL selling units.

Ain't gonna happen.
jessedivnich's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 21:12
jessedivnich
It is a rarity I make comments.

But the DTOIDS are right, the Wii is unlikely to outsell the PS2. PS2 continued to sell due to the DVD playback feature. The Wii lacks that. Wii caps out at 120 million units.

I think the point of my comments holds true--the Wii was incredibly successful, etc. etc.

Damn you DTOIDS! You win that one.
jessedivnich's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 21:17
jessedivnich
If it makes anyone feel any better, my actual models do show the PS2 outselling the Wii, lifetime. Think I just got over zealous to make a point.
The Goddamn's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 21:48
The Goddamn
Holy crap, is the actual guy actually posting in his interview article? That's amazing.

If that is indeed you, sir, then you are now my favorite analyst. There's a reason why Destructoid posts funny pictures of Michael Pachter.
El Conrado's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 22:22
El Conrado
@DinnertimeNinja
"There's pretty much a zero percent chance this will happen since it only has 85 Million units out there and the PS2 has 150 million."

Again, The PS2 was 91 Million by the time it reached it's 5th year, and the Wii is still 6 months away from that deadline and has reached 85 million. You're comparing 4 1/2 years of Wii sales to 10 years and 4 months of the PS2s. The Wii has already beaten the PS2's records year for year, so it is still within the realm of possibility that it will surpass the PS2 in overall sales.

Besides, if there's a system to beat at all, it's the DS.
PrinceHeir's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/02/2011 23:34
PrinceHeir
this is gonna be one crazy event :P
jessedivnich's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/03/2011 09:51
jessedivnich
Yes, this is the real Jesse.

Divnich Fact: I've been a DTOID for years. Where else would one get their daily dose of gaming news? The WallStreetJournal?
Lausgoose's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/04/2011 07:23
Lausgoose
This guy is freakin awesome. And regarding the Wii vs. PS2 sales, I wanna be optimistic and agree with El Conrado. Why the heck not? Of course, it's not a sure thing, and since PS2 is still selling I don't think it's a great possibility. Still a possibility though.
BlueDreams's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/04/2011 14:26
BlueDreams
Nice to see that not all analysts are paid to spew numbers without any reason or justification to their statements.

And to actually speak with the community doesn't hurt at all, either. I hope you're right about the NGP/PSV.

I only had a PSP for a very short time a few years back. I occasionally play my nephew's DS, but as a whole, I've never dived into the handheld market. Looking to change that with the Vita. ^_^
games's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/05/2011 05:09
games
Playstation E3 - Watch Sony PlayStation e3 2011 live Press Conference for showcase on NGP, a new era gaming device by PlayStation and get all updates for amazing new games, hardware, and trailers - http://us.playstation.com/e3-2011/
storpicvipect20's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/14/2011 17:48
storpicvipect20
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