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"Ideally, you'll want a controller handy, as Dark Souls requires a lot of quick twitch reflexes and reactions."
Implying that we can't get twitch reflexes, and have godlike reactions on a keyboard.....tsk, tsk!!
If you can play half as many shmups and e.t.c, you can twitch as much as much as you want, when you want.
#Tired
Implying that we can't get twitch reflexes, and have godlike reactions on a keyboard.....tsk, tsk!!
If you can play half as many shmups and e.t.c, you can twitch as much as much as you want, when you want.
#Tired
Naturally, I want to know about resolution and framerate. If it's essentially identical to the console versions, I'll just snap up the PS3 version sooner rather than later.
According to Eurogamer, it isn't really being optimized for PCs at all, much less for keyboard&mouse controls.
"In terms of the PC version, the quick answer is no, [we won't be fixing the frame rate problems]. Because we wanted to get the PC version out as soon as possible, it's more strictly a port from the console version. We haven't been able to step up into doing any specific optimisation for PC."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-07-from-software-having-a-tough-time-porting-dark-souls-to-pc-frame-rate-issues-remain
"In terms of the PC version, the quick answer is no, [we won't be fixing the frame rate problems]. Because we wanted to get the PC version out as soon as possible, it's more strictly a port from the console version. We haven't been able to step up into doing any specific optimisation for PC."
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-07-from-software-having-a-tough-time-porting-dark-souls-to-pc-frame-rate-issues-remain
To be honest, though I hope it doesn't turn out to be the case I can see them damaging themselves if the rumours are true and this does turn out to be a dog eared mess of a console port.
It's cool that they're porting it at all but at least do a decent job of it for crying out loud!
It's cool that they're porting it at all but at least do a decent job of it for crying out loud!
Being 100% serious here, the controls felt horrible on a controller (sluggish, slow, infuriating) which I know was part of the whole zen of the thing, but I wouldn't want to play this on a keyboard and mouse. You don't need twitch reactions, the faster you go the more frustrated you'll become. GL HF with that, and Prepare to Buy (a controller for your PC).
I'd think that most of the people who wanted the PC Port, have probably been following the news on it pretty closely, so stating something like the framerate will be lower than expected, would be a good reason to question how worth the port is. I'm hoping for mods, and was hoping for better framerate, AND wanted to support FromSoft for even porting it. But if I'm still gonna have a better experience on the console version, not sure how worth it it is. Though, still picking it up for PC since I don't have a console to play it on anymore...
It's certainly a game I've been waiting to get my hands on since the first hint that they may make a PC port in the wake of the petition that caused it.
It's too bad you didn't have any footage to show, but it's not entirely surprising so don't feel condemned or anything (you suck, jk).
I can't imagine a developer with little experience with the ins and outs of PC development will hit a home run on the first try. Issues of latency of devices and various software layers and their impact on performace, all of the crap that makes PCs difficult to make games for will make it impossible for them to hit a home run with, and subsequently impossible for players to finish the game.
This is usually one of my key benchmarks of a port, can it be completed at all once ported to PC (I've still never finished the Meat Circus) but given the purported difficulty I don't think that criteria is a good one. It seems to me that this is a game where allowances for From Softwares relative newness to the platform should give them some latitude.
As a question, did there seem to be latency issues (controllers seeming to not respond in time, actions that should be relatively simple being either impossible or too challenging?) Did they talk about system requirements at all?
It's too bad you didn't have any footage to show, but it's not entirely surprising so don't feel condemned or anything (you suck, jk).
I can't imagine a developer with little experience with the ins and outs of PC development will hit a home run on the first try. Issues of latency of devices and various software layers and their impact on performace, all of the crap that makes PCs difficult to make games for will make it impossible for them to hit a home run with, and subsequently impossible for players to finish the game.
This is usually one of my key benchmarks of a port, can it be completed at all once ported to PC (I've still never finished the Meat Circus) but given the purported difficulty I don't think that criteria is a good one. It seems to me that this is a game where allowances for From Softwares relative newness to the platform should give them some latitude.
As a question, did there seem to be latency issues (controllers seeming to not respond in time, actions that should be relatively simple being either impossible or too challenging?) Did they talk about system requirements at all?
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I'll wait for the day 1 bitching about shitty port due to it not being optimized for kb/m. Then I'll wait a few more months to play it the way it was meant, admittedly with far inferior visual fidelity.
I really like this game, but it's near unplayable on the console, as dropping below 10 or even 2-3 FPS was not uncommon for me. I feel ripped off, and would like to player a smoother running PC version that apparently wont exists. I'm sure it will be able to stay at 30 FPS, but only 30, what a rip.
All this technical stuff is bullcrap, as it truly is a fun game, just it sucks horribly on the technical side.
I'll pick it up for 5$ on a steam sale.
All this technical stuff is bullcrap, as it truly is a fun game, just it sucks horribly on the technical side.
I'll pick it up for 5$ on a steam sale.
Even if it's a fairly "straight port" I don't think we have much room to complain. They are going out of their way to do us a favor, really. I wouldn't even care if it *required* a 360 controller and they ditched kb/mouse support. I'll be playing with a controller anyway since that's what the game was designed for. Who the hell doesn't have a 360 controller for their PC anyway?!
Sorry, but From quickly turned this game from a definite buy into a no buy at all.
If you don't know how to work on a PC game, outsource the project to a team that does have experience and could do a satisfactory job. Don't just smugly forge ahead and tell everyone that you're not going to make any effort to make the game work well.
If you don't know how to work on a PC game, outsource the project to a team that does have experience and could do a satisfactory job. Don't just smugly forge ahead and tell everyone that you're not going to make any effort to make the game work well.
@Arttemis
Look at the bright side. They are actually admitting it, compared to other developers and publishers who just would lie about it.
I do wonder if this is a case of the publisher pushing the release date, and the developers are just trying to meet it. I wouldn't think the developers would normally have the attitude of wanting to shove it out the door as fast as possible compared to trying to get it right.
Look at the bright side. They are actually admitting it, compared to other developers and publishers who just would lie about it.
I do wonder if this is a case of the publisher pushing the release date, and the developers are just trying to meet it. I wouldn't think the developers would normally have the attitude of wanting to shove it out the door as fast as possible compared to trying to get it right.
Anyone considering this game for Pc should just buy it. It's worth it. Hours upon hours of great solo and MP rpg adventuring to be had with this game. If you're up for a game that challenges and feels rewarding, this is the game for you. This game is not for the faint of heart or those who like games to show them where to go next or how to beat something. It's mostly trial and error and when you succeed, you will feel accomplished as hell. Even when you have to bring in friends for help, which you will need from time to time.
some people's attitude toward this project stinks.
lots of people seemed to be arguing about how they didn't have to put up with Froms lack of experience with the PC and that we as gamers don't owe them anything, yet we obviously wanted to attract them to our platform. now it's looking like (predictably) From are having a difficult time, and everyone is saying they won't buy the game?
i hope From can continue to make games for the PC despite the community seemingly turning against them. even if they fall a little short on their first attempt i for one will be supporting them.
lots of people seemed to be arguing about how they didn't have to put up with Froms lack of experience with the PC and that we as gamers don't owe them anything, yet we obviously wanted to attract them to our platform. now it's looking like (predictably) From are having a difficult time, and everyone is saying they won't buy the game?
i hope From can continue to make games for the PC despite the community seemingly turning against them. even if they fall a little short on their first attempt i for one will be supporting them.
@psycho terror2
I call bullshit. The only reason why Dark Souls is coming to PC is because Namco sees money in the opportunity. However, entering a market means doing a little homework and From/Namco obviously haven't or else it wouldn't take a series of petitions to wake them up. They have a real opportunity here and they're blowing it by rushing a port out and completely bypassing the advantages of the platform.
Namco/From's shitty attitude towards porting the game is being reflected by their potential market's shitty reaction to a shitty port that they're forewarning us is shitty. If they don't have time to give me an experience that's on-par with other games I play on PC, then they obviously don't need my money.
Give us what we want and we'll pay. What's wrong with rejecting a contract that doesn't offer what you're looking for? No need to get emotional about it. They're big boys with big money. They'll figure it out.
I call bullshit. The only reason why Dark Souls is coming to PC is because Namco sees money in the opportunity. However, entering a market means doing a little homework and From/Namco obviously haven't or else it wouldn't take a series of petitions to wake them up. They have a real opportunity here and they're blowing it by rushing a port out and completely bypassing the advantages of the platform.
Namco/From's shitty attitude towards porting the game is being reflected by their potential market's shitty reaction to a shitty port that they're forewarning us is shitty. If they don't have time to give me an experience that's on-par with other games I play on PC, then they obviously don't need my money.
Give us what we want and we'll pay. What's wrong with rejecting a contract that doesn't offer what you're looking for? No need to get emotional about it. They're big boys with big money. They'll figure it out.
psycho terror2: Obviously it's peoples fault for not specifying "and don't make it shit" when they requested a PC port.
@ Smackybutts
see, that's the attitude i'm talking about. i want x product for y dollars.
personally i'd like to help build a good relationship between the developer and the community. it started when they listened to a petition, and i feel like giving them some leeway because of that. you think it's all about them realising they can make money on the PC, but it's more than that. PC doesn't have the same marketing that the consoles do. we can't offer them multi million dollar exclusivity deals, and we don't have official representatives to negotiate and guide the developer. it's all well and good making suggestions, but if you want to be all militant about it that's up to you. i would suggest that it won't get us far. you can call my opinion bullshit too, but frankly in much the same way as From probably sees it, it makes you sound like an asshole. From software are people too, if you want them to see you as more than a number, then try extending them the same courtesy.
see, that's the attitude i'm talking about. i want x product for y dollars.
personally i'd like to help build a good relationship between the developer and the community. it started when they listened to a petition, and i feel like giving them some leeway because of that. you think it's all about them realising they can make money on the PC, but it's more than that. PC doesn't have the same marketing that the consoles do. we can't offer them multi million dollar exclusivity deals, and we don't have official representatives to negotiate and guide the developer. it's all well and good making suggestions, but if you want to be all militant about it that's up to you. i would suggest that it won't get us far. you can call my opinion bullshit too, but frankly in much the same way as From probably sees it, it makes you sound like an asshole. From software are people too, if you want them to see you as more than a number, then try extending them the same courtesy.
Umm, optimizing it is kind of the whole point of bringing it to pc, isn't it?
Maybe they'll patch it. And then maybe ill buy it.
Sorry, but I didn't pay extra for a nice video card to play seeming masterpieces like this at 30fps. .02
Maybe they'll patch it. And then maybe ill buy it.
Sorry, but I didn't pay extra for a nice video card to play seeming masterpieces like this at 30fps. .02
@psycho terror2
For what it's worth, I don't think I'm being "militant" when I decline to buy something I don't want. How is that "attitude?" Namco aren't my friends from the block, no matter how much I love Pac Man and Splatterhouse. I "owe" them courtesy as much as they "owe" me a game. Which is to say, not at all.
Credit given: They agreed to make a PC port people wanted, and even included (with the price of admission) the extra DLC they were planning for consoles. That's more than I expected from... From. But, to make a tired car analogy on a gaming blogsite, it's like they're throwing in a badass car stereo while not including the tires. And unlike tires, there's no modding system in place to fix the issue.
And as far as communicating with them and giving them a chance, that seems trite in the face of Namco saying flat out (paraphrasing here): "Don't expect this to have the options you want. Also, GfWL. We feel bad for you, though. Now give us your money."
Well, guess what? I don't really feel bad for Namco, because they could have otherwise had a chunk of my cash and, with that, a foot in the door to PC market penetration. If this is how they handle one of their most popular releases, I'm not so sure I want them to continue releasing PC games.
I'm not about to negotiate friendship barters with a giant Japanese corporation. I speak with my spending dollars like most consumers do. Sorry if that makes PC gamers weep.
For what it's worth, I don't think I'm being "militant" when I decline to buy something I don't want. How is that "attitude?" Namco aren't my friends from the block, no matter how much I love Pac Man and Splatterhouse. I "owe" them courtesy as much as they "owe" me a game. Which is to say, not at all.
Credit given: They agreed to make a PC port people wanted, and even included (with the price of admission) the extra DLC they were planning for consoles. That's more than I expected from... From. But, to make a tired car analogy on a gaming blogsite, it's like they're throwing in a badass car stereo while not including the tires. And unlike tires, there's no modding system in place to fix the issue.
And as far as communicating with them and giving them a chance, that seems trite in the face of Namco saying flat out (paraphrasing here): "Don't expect this to have the options you want. Also, GfWL. We feel bad for you, though. Now give us your money."
Well, guess what? I don't really feel bad for Namco, because they could have otherwise had a chunk of my cash and, with that, a foot in the door to PC market penetration. If this is how they handle one of their most popular releases, I'm not so sure I want them to continue releasing PC games.
I'm not about to negotiate friendship barters with a giant Japanese corporation. I speak with my spending dollars like most consumers do. Sorry if that makes PC gamers weep.
@Smackybutts
Being wary not wanting to buy it based on them not being able to optimize is pretty reasonable BUT how can you see From has a shitty attitude? They have been nothing but honest from DAY ONE about what to expect. Name another developer that would be completely upfront about their port issues? Name another developer willing to admit to their mistakes BEFORE launch. FS has been working on pretty strict limitations the entire time and they thought they could deal with it. Still there are over two months left until it launches and things could change.
As for Namco. Namco is Namco. They're assholes all around but it's not them anyone should be thanking anyway. As far as I know From owns all of their own IPs so they could have told NB to go away if they didn't want to do the port.
Anyway, for what it's worth RPGFan talked to someone working on the PC version (either a PR person or a dev they didn't specify) and were told the entire game is as smooth as the floor demo. There are any number of easy points to bring up to question that information so it really just complicates the issue.
Being wary not wanting to buy it based on them not being able to optimize is pretty reasonable BUT how can you see From has a shitty attitude? They have been nothing but honest from DAY ONE about what to expect. Name another developer that would be completely upfront about their port issues? Name another developer willing to admit to their mistakes BEFORE launch. FS has been working on pretty strict limitations the entire time and they thought they could deal with it. Still there are over two months left until it launches and things could change.
As for Namco. Namco is Namco. They're assholes all around but it's not them anyone should be thanking anyway. As far as I know From owns all of their own IPs so they could have told NB to go away if they didn't want to do the port.
Anyway, for what it's worth RPGFan talked to someone working on the PC version (either a PR person or a dev they didn't specify) and were told the entire game is as smooth as the floor demo. There are any number of easy points to bring up to question that information so it really just complicates the issue.
I also have no interest in supporting shitty coded products. I said I would only buy if the port was good. So to me personally, Nameco isn't holding up their end of the bargain. From my small time with Dark Souls the control scheme is similar to The Witcher (more Witcher 2) series, they could easily make it work, their just choosing not to.
@Tony: Trust me, when you play a lot of PC MP FPS games, twitching becomes your new best friend. Saying that you can only do it with a controller is grasping at straws.
@Tony: Trust me, when you play a lot of PC MP FPS games, twitching becomes your new best friend. Saying that you can only do it with a controller is grasping at straws.
@Derangel
I'd say that just dumping an unoptimized port in the laps of paying customers and not implementing the necessary improvements for the sake of a timely release date reeks of cash-cow-ism. That's shitty, no matter how you slice it.
From's being up-front and that's swell. So am I.
I'd say that just dumping an unoptimized port in the laps of paying customers and not implementing the necessary improvements for the sake of a timely release date reeks of cash-cow-ism. That's shitty, no matter how you slice it.
From's being up-front and that's swell. So am I.
@Smackybutts
From Software doesn't exactly have a choice here. They were given strict time and budget limitations. Delay options are in Namco's hands since they control all the publishing stuff.
From Software doesn't exactly have a choice here. They were given strict time and budget limitations. Delay options are in Namco's hands since they control all the publishing stuff.
It's amateur hour over at From Software. They were quoted as saying they had no experience with PC, and now they've been quoted as saying they thought porting would be a breeze but realised they heavily underestimated. Now they're crunching hard to give us a vastly inferior product. Mismanagement fail much?
They are also epic priority fail. What's the point in having more content if the game itself runs like garbage? I doubt anyone could care less if the game was delayed. All we want is a GOOD PORT. I doubt anyone who signed the petitions imagined the game would end up running at a garbage resolution and frame rate.
They should stop hugging their wallets so tightly and just hire some people with PC programming experience.
They are also epic priority fail. What's the point in having more content if the game itself runs like garbage? I doubt anyone could care less if the game was delayed. All we want is a GOOD PORT. I doubt anyone who signed the petitions imagined the game would end up running at a garbage resolution and frame rate.
They should stop hugging their wallets so tightly and just hire some people with PC programming experience.
@CGS: Yes that right there. I don't give a damn about DLC, cause if the game doesn't run properly to begin with, what the hell does having that extra content do me. I've said this time and time again if you have no clue what you are doing, hire someone that does.
@Complete Global Saturation
While I agree with a total fuck up on From's part where do you expect them to find people with PC experience in Japan? There isn't exactly a thriving high end PC market there. Beyond that you make it sound like From Software is this huge studio with tons of money. They're not and from the sounds of it the port is funded by NamcoBandai and at this point is far too late to bring anyone new in. They should have outsourced it from the beginning but it's too late for should haves.
I've been wondering lately if the DLC thing was Namco's idea/demand. I seem to remember before From said they weren't planning to do any additional content for the game a while ago.
PS: It won't run at "garbage resolution". The resolution information had to do with the textures. Understandably they're not reworking all the textures in a higher resolution.
While I agree with a total fuck up on From's part where do you expect them to find people with PC experience in Japan? There isn't exactly a thriving high end PC market there. Beyond that you make it sound like From Software is this huge studio with tons of money. They're not and from the sounds of it the port is funded by NamcoBandai and at this point is far too late to bring anyone new in. They should have outsourced it from the beginning but it's too late for should haves.
I've been wondering lately if the DLC thing was Namco's idea/demand. I seem to remember before From said they weren't planning to do any additional content for the game a while ago.
PS: It won't run at "garbage resolution". The resolution information had to do with the textures. Understandably they're not reworking all the textures in a higher resolution.
@Derangel
I don't think anyone is conflating Namco and From (publisher and developer), but they are attached at the hip in this situation.
I don't think anyone is conflating Namco and From (publisher and developer), but they are attached at the hip in this situation.
@Smackybutts
Yeah maybe. I'm just more pissed at the general reaction from a vast majority of the PC gaming community over this issue. It's strange that the DToid community has one of the most reasonable and intelligent responses I've seen to it. I'm not too broken up by the whole frame rate thing anyway since I kind of expected it from the get go. I like From Software but I'd never call them great at optimization on any platform much less one new for them. Either way I hope they get a chance to patch it or the rep RPGFan talked to at E3 was right about the frame rate. I wish they had shown Blighttown at E3 along with one of the new bosses. Would have been a great way to assure people.
Yeah maybe. I'm just more pissed at the general reaction from a vast majority of the PC gaming community over this issue. It's strange that the DToid community has one of the most reasonable and intelligent responses I've seen to it. I'm not too broken up by the whole frame rate thing anyway since I kind of expected it from the get go. I like From Software but I'd never call them great at optimization on any platform much less one new for them. Either way I hope they get a chance to patch it or the rep RPGFan talked to at E3 was right about the frame rate. I wish they had shown Blighttown at E3 along with one of the new bosses. Would have been a great way to assure people.
@Derangal: Why do they have to outsource it to someone in Japan?
@CGS: Now that I think about it, I don't think it was From that said that, I think it was Bethesda for ESV.
@CGS: Now that I think about it, I don't think it was From that said that, I think it was Bethesda for ESV.
@Spaz
He said they should hire people with PC knowledge. That would imply hiring people to work on it in-house. From Software is from Japan. Hence the statement.
He said they should hire people with PC knowledge. That would imply hiring people to work on it in-house. From Software is from Japan. Hence the statement.
@Derangel
Then...outsource the project to a team that *does* have PC experience, it's not like there's some international trade law that they have to be Japanese. It's not exactly unheard of. But no, From are just going to go ahead and do a half ass job and expect us to pay them for it. Then they say the extra content is "in exchange" for the crappy job they're doing.
They seem to have forgotten the part where people prefer to buy a quality product. A game plagued by bugs that have had plenty of time to iron out, is capped at a disproportionate framerate to any monitor in existence, and is locked at a resolution well below what anybody is using today is NOT a quality product.
Then...outsource the project to a team that *does* have PC experience, it's not like there's some international trade law that they have to be Japanese. It's not exactly unheard of. But no, From are just going to go ahead and do a half ass job and expect us to pay them for it. Then they say the extra content is "in exchange" for the crappy job they're doing.
They seem to have forgotten the part where people prefer to buy a quality product. A game plagued by bugs that have had plenty of time to iron out, is capped at a disproportionate framerate to any monitor in existence, and is locked at a resolution well below what anybody is using today is NOT a quality product.
@Kanten
As the producer said. They thought they could handle it and underestimated the challenge. They never once said the extra content was in exchange for anything, where did you get that from?
Plenty of time to iron out? They've only been given a few months to do the port. Not exactly a ton of time. The frame rate lock doesn't matter for a game like this. There will be no difference between it running at 30 or 60FPS. It's not a shooter. As for the resolution thing: No it isn't locked at 720p. What it seems like he meant was in reference to the texture resolution.
As the producer said. They thought they could handle it and underestimated the challenge. They never once said the extra content was in exchange for anything, where did you get that from?
Plenty of time to iron out? They've only been given a few months to do the port. Not exactly a ton of time. The frame rate lock doesn't matter for a game like this. There will be no difference between it running at 30 or 60FPS. It's not a shooter. As for the resolution thing: No it isn't locked at 720p. What it seems like he meant was in reference to the texture resolution.
Should rename it to "Watch this port die" cos its a pile of wank stains they fucked it up big time in fact every aspect of this shitty port is crap, itl be worth a nothing.
Stop being a bunch of babies about a friggin video game!! If you don't like it then DON'T BUY IT!!!
I'd rather them not port over the game to pc through outsourcing, that hasn't been the best outlet for porting, either. I wasn't expecting to get the actual DLC for the consoles, that is exciting news. I was even willing to buy the PC version, despite it's shortcomings, because i liked the game so much, if the DLC was not gonna be released to consoles.
However, i dont think From Software should be blamed for anything. Namco should have given them more time to code and optimize, but, c'est la vie. The US could not have invaded Iraq. Hitler could not have had 6 million people killed. There are worse things in the world to be infuriated about then an unoptimized pc port. and this is coming from a guy posting in his cozy home on his own computer, who is lucky enough to enjoy multiple platforms of entertainment, in this very rich and DECADENT land known as the United States of America.
I'd rather them not port over the game to pc through outsourcing, that hasn't been the best outlet for porting, either. I wasn't expecting to get the actual DLC for the consoles, that is exciting news. I was even willing to buy the PC version, despite it's shortcomings, because i liked the game so much, if the DLC was not gonna be released to consoles.
However, i dont think From Software should be blamed for anything. Namco should have given them more time to code and optimize, but, c'est la vie. The US could not have invaded Iraq. Hitler could not have had 6 million people killed. There are worse things in the world to be infuriated about then an unoptimized pc port. and this is coming from a guy posting in his cozy home on his own computer, who is lucky enough to enjoy multiple platforms of entertainment, in this very rich and DECADENT land known as the United States of America.
@Derangel
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-07-from-software-having-a-tough-time-porting-dark-souls-to-pc-frame-rate-issues-remain
"In terms of the PC version, the quick answer is no, [we won't be fixing the frame rate problems]. Because we wanted to get the PC version out as soon as possible, it's more strictly a port from the console version. We haven't been able to step up into doing any specific optimisation for PC.
"However, in exchange for that, we have prioritised adding new content for both original players and new players."
@cockaroach
The "could be worse" fallacy doesn't excuse anything. From was not up to the task, they know they're not up to it. Yet instead of trying to solve the problem, they're just going to lazily kick it over, go "eh good enough" and expect us to buy it.
The thing is missing BASIC PC FEATURES. They're literally changing nothing. Even the worst outsourcing jobs have been able to do more than that.
http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2012-06-07-from-software-having-a-tough-time-porting-dark-souls-to-pc-frame-rate-issues-remain
"In terms of the PC version, the quick answer is no, [we won't be fixing the frame rate problems]. Because we wanted to get the PC version out as soon as possible, it's more strictly a port from the console version. We haven't been able to step up into doing any specific optimisation for PC.
"However, in exchange for that, we have prioritised adding new content for both original players and new players."
@cockaroach
The "could be worse" fallacy doesn't excuse anything. From was not up to the task, they know they're not up to it. Yet instead of trying to solve the problem, they're just going to lazily kick it over, go "eh good enough" and expect us to buy it.
The thing is missing BASIC PC FEATURES. They're literally changing nothing. Even the worst outsourcing jobs have been able to do more than that.
@Kanten
Well okay they did say in exchange. Really bad choice of words really dumb too. As for the frame rate here is a counter: http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2012/1549.html Yep opens up a million new questions so take it as you will. Myself however I'm just going to wait and see what happens. It's moved away from my buy at release list though. If it sucks guess I'll just buy the 360 version and play that. If not I'll pick up the PC version. At this point with two months left its not worth jumping on the "let's shit all over the developers and act like a complete assholes" train just yet. I don't see why people jump to that before seeing the final product.
Well okay they did say in exchange. Really bad choice of words really dumb too. As for the frame rate here is a counter: http://www.rpgfan.com/news/2012/1549.html Yep opens up a million new questions so take it as you will. Myself however I'm just going to wait and see what happens. It's moved away from my buy at release list though. If it sucks guess I'll just buy the 360 version and play that. If not I'll pick up the PC version. At this point with two months left its not worth jumping on the "let's shit all over the developers and act like a complete assholes" train just yet. I don't see why people jump to that before seeing the final product.
@Derengel: Still they wouldn't have to, they'd just apparently prefer to. Which is very shorted sighted viewpoint.
Even if it's not been 'optimised' for PCs, I'm cautiously optimistic that I might be able to just throw GPU and CPU power at it until it gives me good performance regardless. I mean, I love the PS3 version, but it'd be cool to have a higher resolution and - in particular - a good framerate in places like Blighttown. *shudder*
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