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Of course Sony is a lot more "open," they just got hacked to hell and back!
It would have been better if he explained why Xbox Live's "identity" wouldn't work. Doesn't PSN have accounts as well? It seems like he just dodged all of the questions with nonsense...
It would have been better if he explained why Xbox Live's "identity" wouldn't work. Doesn't PSN have accounts as well? It seems like he just dodged all of the questions with nonsense...
Typical CCP really, most likely it boils down to sony's people being more fun to drink with than microsoft's.
As for the PC side, it does and doesn't make sense. Sure they'd lose some eve players, but the PC FPS market is huge and having it there would pull in more people to eve and dust.
I thunk ignore the PC hurts more than helps in the end. They'll probably release a PC version if the PS3 numbers are weak or once they sober up and realize the profit potential.
As for the PC side, it does and doesn't make sense. Sure they'd lose some eve players, but the PC FPS market is huge and having it there would pull in more people to eve and dust.
I thunk ignore the PC hurts more than helps in the end. They'll probably release a PC version if the PS3 numbers are weak or once they sober up and realize the profit potential.
trainwreck, right newell?
why no pc release? well they could do cross-platform like with what steam did with portal 2 couldn't they? or something.
why no pc release? well they could do cross-platform like with what steam did with portal 2 couldn't they? or something.
Lycan, it's okay if you are ab xbot. But if hackers wanted to, they could attack microsoft, or the seemingly much easier nintendo network. So saying sony doesn't deserve something for being hacked is exactly what the hackers want to hear.
@terranwolf
I'm not saying they don't deserve it. I'm saying, give a real answer as to why other consoles aren't getting it.
I'm not saying they don't deserve it. I'm saying, give a real answer as to why other consoles aren't getting it.
Honestly, the reason is that they would have to separate console and PC players which just doesn't work given that the Eve universe prides itself on being all one universe on one server.
So you'd have PC users wiping the floor with console owners if they existed side by side. This is the hurdle that has not and probably will not be solved for quite some time. Beyond users using a mouse and keyboard (would PS Move balance the advantage?) on their PS3's there just isn't going to be a way to make it fair.
Portal 2 only worked because it was cooperative play so one partner having a mouse/keyboard versus one with a console controller didn't harm anything.
So you'd have PC users wiping the floor with console owners if they existed side by side. This is the hurdle that has not and probably will not be solved for quite some time. Beyond users using a mouse and keyboard (would PS Move balance the advantage?) on their PS3's there just isn't going to be a way to make it fair.
Portal 2 only worked because it was cooperative play so one partner having a mouse/keyboard versus one with a console controller didn't harm anything.
If I were CCP, I wouldn't want to deal with XBL either. XBL infrastructure works so seamlessly because there are a lot of restrictions and requirements, but that comes at the cost of freedom. If Dust 514 were on XBL, and had interactions with EVE Online, EVE Online would have to adhere to XBL standards. I don't even want to think of the technical nightmare involved with retrofitting EVE Online to work with XBL.
So... releasing more than one game on one system "cannibalizes" your user-base? Really? I don't see Blizzard going "we don't want to release Warcraft III and World of Warcraft together on the PC. They might cannibalize each other" or Valve going "Portal 2 might cannibalize says of Portal 1 if we release them on the same system!" In fact, Valve REWARDS you for playing multiple Valve games on PC with perks and items that often transfer between games. I call BS on their logic.
Not on 360 I understand. A few people have already brought up the Live restrictions. No PC version though, really?
i think I can appreciate that they're really gunning for a different market and mindset for the title. When i think of what Dust represents, its kind of like pulling grunts and mercenaries into this world of tension and business. You kind of want that Console vs PC animosity to a certain degree, thematically. PC capsuleers find PS3 grunts to run their dirty work, while the PS3 guys are looking for their "fortune" out of the pockets of rich jerks that don't want to get theit hands dirty with war, aside from the commerce.
If they can find a way to monetize the isk console players can earn into real life money, the interest in this venture could become intense and ruthless on both ends.
If they can find a way to monetize the isk console players can earn into real life money, the interest in this venture could become intense and ruthless on both ends.
@Lycan XIII
i think what they are planning on doing will be similar to the system in metal gear online, where you have an account with them that is independent of your psn account that you play under. i'm guessing thats what they mean.
i think what they are planning on doing will be similar to the system in metal gear online, where you have an account with them that is independent of your psn account that you play under. i'm guessing thats what they mean.
When it comes to PC, the MMO and FPS player-bases are pretty damn separate. CCP are idiots for this.
I'm a PC user but I never played EVE because I don't have enough patience.
But I would gladly play Dust 514 if it were to come out on PC. It's a different genre, so the whole story about cannibalising their user base is a big lie.
But I would gladly play Dust 514 if it were to come out on PC. It's a different genre, so the whole story about cannibalising their user base is a big lie.
@Lycan: as for that, apparently XBL forces integration of live IDs to where it isn't very free to interact with other identification and authentication methods, while sony playstation has a loose api to handle it.
lol, they were bought by sony that's why. about two years ago they were showing playable 360 version of the game and it looked better than Killzone 3(frankly first trailer from Dust514 was supposedly 360 gameplay footage) and then Sony bought them and now game in terms of graphics looks barelly above ps3 version of Blops.
@ Garlador
But are Warcraft III and World of Warcraft both MMO's? No, they are not. Dust and Eve are both MMO games so to release both of them on the same platform and taking place within the same universe would be cannibalistic to a certain degree.
@ sofik
just shut up. just because they had a playable version of it doesn't mean they ever came to an agreement with how the game would work through Live's system. and you're the biggest 360 troll this side of Dtoid so kindly piss off.
But are Warcraft III and World of Warcraft both MMO's? No, they are not. Dust and Eve are both MMO games so to release both of them on the same platform and taking place within the same universe would be cannibalistic to a certain degree.
@ sofik
just shut up. just because they had a playable version of it doesn't mean they ever came to an agreement with how the game would work through Live's system. and you're the biggest 360 troll this side of Dtoid so kindly piss off.
Seems weird a PC related title won't get a PC release upon launch. I wonder how this will do. The whole concept of corporations and alliances within an FPS is pretty interesting to someone like me who never really got into MMOs.
I heard there were no monthly fees for this MMO and with the concept of persistence in a larger world populated by PC gamers... Color me interested!
From what I hear other people say about this game, I think people are expecting way to much 'mmo' out of it. It's not an mmo, persistent shooter =/= mmo. I have low expectations, and don't expect the persistent part to be anything much more then what MAG has.
FPS exclusives do not fair so well on the PS3. Even Killzone is a mediocre seller. I can't see Dust finding a strong user base. Like Dust, MAG was ambitious and it burnt out quickly.
FPS exclusives do not fair so well on the PS3. Even Killzone is a mediocre seller. I can't see Dust finding a strong user base. Like Dust, MAG was ambitious and it burnt out quickly.
Why don't they just say the real reason it's exclusive. It is for the same reason all exclusives exist. Because Sony paid them. It is and always will be about the money.
Why don't they just say the real reason it's exclusive. It is for the same reason all exclusives exist. Because Sony paid them. It is and always will be about the money.
@ Elsa
That is correct. There will be no monthly fees, as CCPs logics is that it's a type of game where you pick up and play sporadically. It does not match with a monthly fee model for an MMO, where you're in for the long haul.
It will be driven by micro-transactions where you can buy weapons and stuff. Though it will not be more powerful than what's possible to get normally.
@ Lenigod
It is going to be persistent in a way that has never been done before, thanks to the integration with EVE Online.
The EVE universe contains 67253 planets that players can exploit, and DUST is going to use them as battlegrounds, where the outcome of the battles will help decide who owns the system the planets belong to.
EVE players will contract DUST mercenaries to aid them in their conquest of territory in EVE Online.
So the outcome of battles in DUST will help shape the power balance in EVE Online.
That is correct. There will be no monthly fees, as CCPs logics is that it's a type of game where you pick up and play sporadically. It does not match with a monthly fee model for an MMO, where you're in for the long haul.
It will be driven by micro-transactions where you can buy weapons and stuff. Though it will not be more powerful than what's possible to get normally.
@ Lenigod
It is going to be persistent in a way that has never been done before, thanks to the integration with EVE Online.
The EVE universe contains 67253 planets that players can exploit, and DUST is going to use them as battlegrounds, where the outcome of the battles will help decide who owns the system the planets belong to.
EVE players will contract DUST mercenaries to aid them in their conquest of territory in EVE Online.
So the outcome of battles in DUST will help shape the power balance in EVE Online.
@sofik
Unlike Biohazard, I hope you never get banned. Your contrived, borderline insane rationalizations make me so happy. I can just see a developer scraping AAAAALLLL their work to make their game lower quality because it's on one consoles rather than the other. That's awesome.
Unlike Biohazard, I hope you never get banned. Your contrived, borderline insane rationalizations make me so happy. I can just see a developer scraping AAAAALLLL their work to make their game lower quality because it's on one consoles rather than the other. That's awesome.
What pokota said. sofik is kind of fun to have around. Biohazard is just a **** (insert whatever swear word you feel works best here).
@Wakatashi:
Phantasy Star Universe is a online RPG for 360 that doesn't require you to use your Gamertag in game. You also don't need XBL Gold to play it. *gasp*
Phantasy Star Universe is a online RPG for 360 that doesn't require you to use your Gamertag in game. You also don't need XBL Gold to play it. *gasp*
"In the EVE universe, having people not know who you are is quite important."
So go with the company that "JUST" got all of their customers personal information stolen? VERY SMART!
So go with the company that "JUST" got all of their customers personal information stolen? VERY SMART!
@DirasyajX
Just because your mad its not comin out for the 360 doesent mean you have to say things like this. I hate the fact that this is all that 360 owners talk about. Yea Sony F***ed up but they still have a really large fan base even after all this. I own both systems, and love them both the same they both have advantages and disadvantages. Tired of console wars, and tired of people being bias to one system or the other. Oh and Sony has always had the best exclusives, plain and simple.
Just because your mad its not comin out for the 360 doesent mean you have to say things like this. I hate the fact that this is all that 360 owners talk about. Yea Sony F***ed up but they still have a really large fan base even after all this. I own both systems, and love them both the same they both have advantages and disadvantages. Tired of console wars, and tired of people being bias to one system or the other. Oh and Sony has always had the best exclusives, plain and simple.
I'd say it's already quite problematic to integrate this two games, each on 1 system. Adding extra system to the mix would just make it harder.
EVE events (PC) lead to Dust battles (PS3), which have outcome in EVE (PC).
EVE events (PC) lead to Dust battles (PS3) or sometimes Dust battles in another network (X360), which have outcome in EVE (PC). How would this work? X360 get some sectors of EVE universe, player ordering the strkie in EVE choose with network will the battle rage on? etc
EVE events (PC) lead to Dust battles (PS3), which have outcome in EVE (PC).
EVE events (PC) lead to Dust battles (PS3) or sometimes Dust battles in another network (X360), which have outcome in EVE (PC). How would this work? X360 get some sectors of EVE universe, player ordering the strkie in EVE choose with network will the battle rage on? etc
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