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E3 10: Nintendo repents for Ocarina's Water Temple photo

Nintendo's Eiji Aonuma may be working on the latest shiny new Zelda game for the Wii, but he still hasn't lived down some of the pain he caused gamers with some of his earlier work. At a roundtable discussion event tonight, Aonuma admitted that he was the guy behind all the frustration we all felt in Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time's Water Temple.

Aonuma asks the attendees, "How many thought the Water Temple was tough?"

After some laughter he follows: "How many thought it was horrible?"

"I have lived with that for the last 10 or so years," the producer admits.

As many of you will remember, completion this section of the game required the constant use and removal of the Heavy Boots. Unfortunately (and famously), this never worked very well due to poorly planned controls.

Aonuma plans to make good by making full use of the 3DS's touchscreen in this upcoming port of the Nintendo 64 game. He says that he hopes to lay his shame to rest by making good use of the touch capabilities, making it much easier to equip and unequip items.








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MichMasteR's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:03
MichMasteR
Cant wait for this game...
LittleBigD's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:04
LittleBigD
I don't remember it being that bad. How poor can any section of one of the greatest games of all time possibly be? You're being too hard on yourself Aonuma. Keep up the good work.
Caspulex's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:07
Caspulex
You guys are wussies. All you had to do was leave the cursor on either the Iron Boots or the Kokiri boots, hit Start, hit A, and then move the cursor before hitting Start again.
Themightylebeau2009's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:07
Themightylebeau2009
LittleBigD - I agree, I dont remember it being that tough.
Tony Ponce's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:07
Tony Ponce
I never understood that hate for the Water Temple. That place was awesome!
Nic128's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:09
Nic128
So it was challenging, big deal. The satisfaction was greater.
Bearded's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:15
Bearded
the water temple isn't that bad, the only annoying parts are the boots and the key right at the bottom (because thats the one I always forget about)
pedrovay2003's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:15
pedrovay2003
Wow, there are that many whiners?
high5nigh's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:20
high5nigh
It was time-consuming than hard. However, what I hated more were going to the Ice Cavern to get the boots and going up the slope to fight the boss.
GooN's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:20
GooN
Yeah this wasnt so bad... I thought it was cool.

P.S. The hardest (most annoying) Zelda board was the Ice Castle in Link to the Past where you have to drop down from the rooms above. That guy should get shot! LOL
esin's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:20
esin
Soft gamers are soft.
Figures thev'd boo down the most stimulating challenge of the game. The boots never crossed my mind as an annoyance.
esin's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:20
esin
Soft gamers are soft.
Figures thev'd boo down the most stimulating challenge of the game. The boots never crossed my mind as an annoyance.
puddleglum's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:20
puddleglum
All the way to the Water Temple with no Giant's Wallet? Bush league!
nlts's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:20
nlts
Switching in and out of a menu may not be ideal, but it certainly didn't ruin an entire section of the game: the water temple may not have been the best temple in the game, but it sure wasn't the worst.
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:21
falinter
I wouldn't call it horrible I just thought it was really tough from a puzzle standpoint. That and I was like what 10?
Pencoin's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:22
Pencoin
Water Temple is no where near as bad as people make out.
adamkirby1's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:22
adamkirby1
It was hard because there were keys tucked away in this large three-dimensional space, where you have to go to different areas to change the water levels.

The key I always missed was the one where you to back to the room you met Ruto in while the water is halfway raised. Usually I'd only go into that room when the water is topped off, then lower it all the way. It took forever to figure out I had to go back when the water was halfway.

In the Master Quest, unlike the other temples the water temple was actually EASIER, since they put up gates sealing off all the unnecessary areas.
F Whipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:23
F Whipple
I hated that place
CRAZYAPE69's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:23
CRAZYAPE69
i was stuck on the water temple for about a month as a kid, was awesome once i completed though, never hated it, i did however hate the hell out of the fire temple that place sucked hard
otikik's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:26
otikik
I could not stop thinking of how inefficient they were. It would have been more interesting with proper underwater swimming, and bigger underwater spaces (so the camera didn't get crazy so easily).
GhostMatter's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:26
GhostMatter
I never had trouble. I was a kid and did easily. What's so hard about it? Seriously.
MasterBalls's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:28
MasterBalls
Ah yes. I shall need to play the 3DS version in a padded room.
Iron Dragon's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:30
Iron Dragon
I never had a problem with the Water Temple in OoT.

In fact I though it was much better design than the crap that was presented in Twilight Princess. No puzzle at all there. Just go to the end of this linear section and you get a cookie! Good boy!
Excel-2011's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:33
Excel-2011
This isn't nearly as annoying as having to change swords in Crystalis or ROMs in La-Mulana all the time.
darknil's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:34
darknil
I truly liked the temple, it was challenging. When I was a kid i had to use a guide. But recently I played Master Quest version, it was very rewarding when i beat that temple guide-less
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:34
The Silent Protagonist
Hope he has no plans about repenting for Majora's Mask, because he really doesn't need to apologize for the Water Temple. I never found that one frustrating.

He can apologize for Forest Sanctuary and Skull Kid in Twilight Princess though. Did his buddies really need to keep respawning on and on like that? It was fun with it just being a hide-and-seek thing, but not after the 30th time of batting away his skeleton buddies. Then I had to do it again later in the game to get to the Temple of Time!

Never, eeeeever do that again.

Also, please, please, please remake Majora's Mask. That geme got unfathomable hate for time management and yet the time management aspect was extremely forgiving. Maybe I just learned the Ocarina songs needed faster than other people did?

MM's dungeons were mindfucks and I loved every second of them.

Also:

Oni Link >>>>> Teen Link
GoodGuyA's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:40
GoodGuyA
I bet he never intentionally made it a living hell, so all is forgiven :) The water temple in Majora's Mask made up for it though. Also, this confirms without a shadow of a doubt that OoT is coming! SUCK IT HATERS
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:46
The Silent Protagonist
@GoodGuy A - I don't think there's anyone that really hates OOT.

We just hate people that never get over OOT. OOT Fanboys and FFVII fanboys are cut from a similar cloth called "Annoying."
q-pa's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:46
q-pa
Nice to see I wasn't the only one that didn't have a problem with the Water Temple.
The Forest Temple, on the other hand, is the one that took me forever...
timtheterrible's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:53
timtheterrible
What I disliked about the water temple is that a glitch made it impossible for me to finish the level, so I never finished the game. Maybe I'll try it again with the 3DS.
jackal27's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 11:59
jackal27
Hahaha, This reminds me of my old Destructoid article...
Doctor m3ds's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 12:12
Doctor m3ds
I still have this feeling in the pit of my stomach that Ocarina of Time is just a tech demo. Still holding my breath fo some sort of official announcement. It's probably because of a certain Kotaku article saying "that a 3DS version could be made more enjoyable by making it easier, as touch-screen capabilities would make things like swapping boots and items a lot less of a hassle." It's really that "could" that gets me. It would help if we had an official quote, but I'm still not fully sure.
Diremagic's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 12:12
Diremagic
What they need to do is redesign that blasted area from scratch and make it better. Just making the controls easier to handle isn't going to cut it.
KingSigy's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 12:19
KingSigy
Just make it like Twilight Princess and you're golden. You could quick select the damn boots, that is all you need.
UltorOscariot's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 12:23
UltorOscariot
I can admit it was tricky. My ego doesn't require that kind of stroking, much less over games I thought were hard when I was 14. But was changing your boots really what aggravated people? I don't remember that as an issue at all.

Only two things come to mind when I think about what I hated about the water temple. One, was that area that required you to raise the water level inside the central column in the main chamber, but then go down the tunnel it revealed in the floor for a key or something because the water level moved a block. Way too easy to over look when I was.. 14?

The other was Dark Link, before I used the Megaton Hammer.
Budogenkai's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 12:42
Budogenkai
Lets all play ninja gaiden for 5 minutes.
EdgyDude's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 12:47
EdgyDude
Ya know maybe it's me, but the water temple never seemed hard because of the boots, what made the damn place unbearable was not finding that GODDAMN HOLE in the bottom floor just because it was right below the floating tile, but once you found that, 90% of the difficulty of the water temple disappeared.
Nathaniel607's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 12:47
Nathaniel607
FREAKING HELL! The water temple isn't that bad! I played it just a month ago.

Seriously, why does everyone whinge about it? It wasn't my favourite temple, but Christ, everyone acts like it's the spawn of Satan.

The worst temple in 3D Zelda is Snowdown mountain in Majora's Mask... Christ, getting right to the end then falling to the bottom... an this was when I didn't know the "song of get twice as much time".
Dv8thwonder's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 12:57
Dv8thwonder
Only noobs complain about the water temple.
Xzyliac's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 12:59
Xzyliac
@Doctor m3ds
It makes sense that OoT would be a launch title. Super Mario 64 was a launch title for the DS.
SilversunFrenzy's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 13:01
SilversunFrenzy
Aww, I feel bad for the guy! I mean yeah, the Water Temple was obviously and infamously difficult and obnoxious, but it's become sort of a joke at this point. Like, we all love to hate it, I say it's fine as is!
PixelSith64's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 13:05
PixelSith64
Water temple made me rage several times. Then I cried.
kandenkiller's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 13:24
kandenkiller
@Doctor m3ds They confirmed it both on Noa's twitter and at the roundtable thing last night.
Saborlas's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 13:29
Saborlas
Cry some moar, easymode wuss-gamers. The Water Temple required actual thought.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 13:41
HEL105
I didn't think it was horrible, just a little tedious. My main gripe with that Temple wasn't the difficulty, it was the fact that it wasn't very fun in comparison to most of the others.
Neroisonfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 14:03
Neroisonfire
I beat that whole game in less than a week as a kid. I think this temple took me like a couple hours. Even the first temple and fire temple took longer for me.
drivenbyfate's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 14:04
drivenbyfate
I hated the water temple as a kid...but playing through it now its really not that hard or frustrating.
Neo Gio's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 14:11
Neo Gio
I am not a big fan of the water temple. It is more frustrating than it is hard, but I just don't really like Ocarina of time that much so can't really complaint. Link to the past will always be my favorite.
SilentSchemer's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 14:11
SilentSchemer
I don't remember that temple being that hard either. Whatever the case, Water Temple is the famous temple ever.
Vanilla Gorilla's Avatar - Comment posted on 06/16/2010 14:30
Vanilla Gorilla
I'll say this - in terms of intricate level design, it was a fantastic level.

In terms of fun... well that's a different story. All it was, the only problem with that level, going by the gated scenario where you need a key to open the next gate was the location of one key. After you raise the water level up to the mid level then need to go back into the central tower and swim underneath the floating platform to get to the tunnel with the key.

That's it. That's all that made that level frustrating. I know I spent fucking hours just running circles and spinning tires in the mud until I accidentally found that out.

But the temple fits. And it's a damn good, complicated level. It was just too complicated in that one spot. =p
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