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That's pretty much how I felt about Microsoft's show... it's "hey look at these games your kids are gonna love, no kids? well you're screwed." Hopefully like the Wii, it'll go beyond tech demos and actually have some good games next year for the Kinect.
Wow, just watched the 'child of eden' E3 press conference. Sounds, looks and is described as REZ 2 if you ask me :D that is a very good thing.
I think that microsoft, instead of trying to be brave and push forward with something new and experimental, are trying to say "look, we can do what a wii does. Give us money instead of them"
It seems to me like they are actually scared of the competition.
I think that microsoft, instead of trying to be brave and push forward with something new and experimental, are trying to say "look, we can do what a wii does. Give us money instead of them"
It seems to me like they are actually scared of the competition.
I was really excited about this game 'till I saw some gameplay. There seemed to be a very noticable lag between the player and game. This is probably kinect's fault though.
I see where Microsoft was coming from with their presentations. Their priority is to get Kinect into as many homes as possible and based off of what Nintendo pulled off with Wii, the way to do that is to make it look appealing to non-gamers.
Think about it, they didn't just show kiddie games. They appealed to children with Kinectimals, went after moms with Your Shape and video chat, and offered something for dads with the ESPN presentation, movie controls without a remote, and hot sweaty car porn. As well as showing how the whole damn fam can get together and play some Wii-type games where everyone can play without having to buy 4 controllers.
MS knew who they were going for with their Kinect presentation and I think in that regard, they nailed it.
If they continue to follow Nintendo's example, then all you hardcore gamers can look forward to some rehashed fan favorites for Kinect in about 4 years.
Think about it, they didn't just show kiddie games. They appealed to children with Kinectimals, went after moms with Your Shape and video chat, and offered something for dads with the ESPN presentation, movie controls without a remote, and hot sweaty car porn. As well as showing how the whole damn fam can get together and play some Wii-type games where everyone can play without having to buy 4 controllers.
MS knew who they were going for with their Kinect presentation and I think in that regard, they nailed it.
If they continue to follow Nintendo's example, then all you hardcore gamers can look forward to some rehashed fan favorites for Kinect in about 4 years.
Nintendo focused on all of that casual crap last year with wii music, and they became the most hated video game company there. Then just ONE YEAR later Microsoft made the same mistake.
I wasn't impressed with the Kinect version of it, but knowing a standard controller will work does make me intrigued.
I don't think they "nailed" anything. They were TRYING to go for thw Wii's market, but guess what MS, anyone who wants a borderline-motion-controlled-games-toy-thing already has a Wii!
In many cases they bought the Wii and have probably stopped using it - hence the massive gap between console sales and software sales.
I'm pretty sure seeing that the Xbox now has the SAME games as the console they bought, played with for 6 months and forgot about isn't going to make people buy one.
Nintendo has already done it, they've already gotten non-gamers into semi-gaming and now they're pushing the real games to finalise the conversion. However microsoft seem to be going the other way.
Gamer? Here have the Halo and Gear sequels you've been expecting and shut up.
Non-gamer / Wii gamer? Come play Natal! Like the Wii but without a controller and in HD!!! It's so amazing that the fucking Cirque du Soliel are here to show you how great it is!!! (that's right, mesmerized by the pretty, now all of you hypnotised people go out and buy the new Xbox and Natal) - Shit we had better launch the Xbox soon, while the hypnotism is still in effect!
In many cases they bought the Wii and have probably stopped using it - hence the massive gap between console sales and software sales.
I'm pretty sure seeing that the Xbox now has the SAME games as the console they bought, played with for 6 months and forgot about isn't going to make people buy one.
Nintendo has already done it, they've already gotten non-gamers into semi-gaming and now they're pushing the real games to finalise the conversion. However microsoft seem to be going the other way.
Gamer? Here have the Halo and Gear sequels you've been expecting and shut up.
Non-gamer / Wii gamer? Come play Natal! Like the Wii but without a controller and in HD!!! It's so amazing that the fucking Cirque du Soliel are here to show you how great it is!!! (that's right, mesmerized by the pretty, now all of you hypnotised people go out and buy the new Xbox and Natal) - Shit we had better launch the Xbox soon, while the hypnotism is still in effect!
Microsoft were never going to put this in their press conference because a)it doesn't REQUIRE Kinect and b)it isn't exclusive to 360.
I for one will probably buy it (because after all, it's The Gooch!) but will anyone who isn't familiar with The Gooch's work buy it? I heard about Child of Eden a few days ago, watched the trailer and went "huh? WTF did I just watch?" Even after reading this and seeing the Ubisoft presser demo, I still don't quite know WTF it is. But it's The Gooch so I can't ignore it.
But what if I'd never played (or didn't like) Lumines or Rez? I wouldn't be giving this a second thought. This isn't the kind of thing that would work well in a Big Three press conference.
I for one will probably buy it (because after all, it's The Gooch!) but will anyone who isn't familiar with The Gooch's work buy it? I heard about Child of Eden a few days ago, watched the trailer and went "huh? WTF did I just watch?" Even after reading this and seeing the Ubisoft presser demo, I still don't quite know WTF it is. But it's The Gooch so I can't ignore it.
But what if I'd never played (or didn't like) Lumines or Rez? I wouldn't be giving this a second thought. This isn't the kind of thing that would work well in a Big Three press conference.
@Udir Arashikage
See the problem with kinect/natal is that you are already comparing it to the nintendo wii and you already realise that we will be getting rehashed wii games for it. They shouldn't be targeting nintendo's market with a 'we can make wii games' attitude. they should be innovating.
See the problem with kinect/natal is that you are already comparing it to the nintendo wii and you already realise that we will be getting rehashed wii games for it. They shouldn't be targeting nintendo's market with a 'we can make wii games' attitude. they should be innovating.
The worst thing is that I can definitely see this game having mainstream appeal. They should of shown it.
By the way, I know it's being released on the PS3 but will it be Eye/Move compatible? I can't find any mention of it in official material.
By the way, I know it's being released on the PS3 but will it be Eye/Move compatible? I can't find any mention of it in official material.
I am impressed with Kinect even with the lag. Lag, you can adjust to it. This Child of Eden looks absolutely dazzling with Kinect experience and it also supports the controller if you so desire to use the controller. Ubisoft fitness software, Dance Master, and Dance center, all showed the greater sensor perception of your body than any one controller. Out of nintendo and sony camp, sony has the most promise when it comes down to match anything Kinecet offers. However, we have seen in the past and today, Sony's RGB camera system does not work well. The software was in development for years, but it is still lag ridden and error prone technology vs Kinect's depth sensor and RGB camera. I have, so far, seen no game I want on Kinect (except dance central or dance master, but I am not the core audience for that kind of game....) except Child of Eden. The enhanced GUI, Child of Eden, I may pick up the 360 Kinect on the day zero.
At first, I was having a hard time imagining the Kinect being used for anything else but minigames and shovelware. I know that sounds close-minded, but I seriously wanted to see how developers will use it. For example, take a shooter. How do I aim and shoot? Do I use my arm? How will I navigate the character on screen? Would it have to be on-rails? Really, does anyone else have these questions? Now that I think about it, perhaps it can be used for deeper AI interactions like in "Milo and Kate". Maybe one day will be able to hold conversations or ask our own questions in games like Mass Effect.
No Kinect and no Move makes BluDesign a happy boy. No Kinect and no Move makes BluDesign a happy boy. No Kinect and no Move makes BluDesign a happy boy. No Kinect and no Move makes BluDesign a happy boy. No Kinect and no Move makes BluDesign a happy boy. No Kinect and no Move makes BluDesign a happy boy. No Kinect and no Move makes BluDesign a happy boy. No Kinect and no Move makes BluDesign a happy boy. No Kinect and no Move makes BluDesign a happy boy. No Kinect and no Move makes BluDesign a happy boy. No Kinect and no Move makes BluDesign a happy boy. No Kinect and no Move makes BluDesign a happy boy.
Microsoft has it's head up it's ass in it's pathetic bid to be the Wii: CONFIRMED.
Well, at least it looks like they know they fucked up by passing up the chance to showcase Child of Eden, and they probably learned that E3 is not the place to go full-casual, see Nintendo circa 2008.
Regardless, Tetsuya Mizuguchi is doing it again, and I and excited.
Well, at least it looks like they know they fucked up by passing up the chance to showcase Child of Eden, and they probably learned that E3 is not the place to go full-casual, see Nintendo circa 2008.
Regardless, Tetsuya Mizuguchi is doing it again, and I and excited.
And here I just read this for schadenfreude, but no! Confirmed that we don't need this motion control garbage? This is the best day! The best day!
Seriously, it's like saying this game will cost 60$ instead of a couple hundred. That's fantastic.
Seriously, it's like saying this game will cost 60$ instead of a couple hundred. That's fantastic.
People were impressed by Child of Eden? When I was watching the Ubisoft conference it gave me just as much of a 'what the fuck is this shit' feeling as the Microsoft conference.
The game just looked like a screen of randomness with a guy who looked like he was seemingly just randomly moving his hand, sometimes it would correlate with aiming over something on screen, other times something completely different to what he was doing happened.
The game just looked like a screen of randomness with a guy who looked like he was seemingly just randomly moving his hand, sometimes it would correlate with aiming over something on screen, other times something completely different to what he was doing happened.
I'm excited about Child of Eden... the only problem I see is that Q? is going to charge 1200-1600 MS Points for it most likely which puts it out of my price range that I'm willing to spend on Digital Downloads. 800 MS Points or bust.
If Miyamoto called it game of the show it must be amazing. It's good that nintendo let's him do stuff like that, you would never see someone high up at MS or Sony saying that about a wii game
James Mielke is a narcissistic shit head. Always has been. I used to hate that fucker when he was at 1Up. Always blogging about what a magical life he thought he led as if anyone gave a shit. Then whenever he was on the 1Up show everybody around him was giving him the stink eye in the background.
Spoiler: The reception wouldn't have been much better for this. Yeah this looks like more of a game it doesn't look any more fun to play with Project Abortion. It should be pretty great once it comes to PS Move or when using a standard controller.
I'm really terrified, because I completely agree with Sexualchocolate's comment. I shouldn't have bought that PS3 last year, it's starting to affect me :P
@Shael
Nintendo didn't dig any grave. They are swimming in money and drying themselves with gold bars. Like it or not, they nailed it this generation (in a bussiness sense) even if long time fans felt abandoned, and now, after hitting it big with grandmas and kids, they are trying to get that small minotity of "true gamers" back.
@Shael
Nintendo didn't dig any grave. They are swimming in money and drying themselves with gold bars. Like it or not, they nailed it this generation (in a bussiness sense) even if long time fans felt abandoned, and now, after hitting it big with grandmas and kids, they are trying to get that small minotity of "true gamers" back.
On topic: I loved Rez, and I'm very glad to see this game has an option of using the standard controllers (on both the Xbox and PS3) because I'm not buying that Natalkinectwavemovethingie for my consoles... I already have a Wii.
Elaborating on price, this could be $10, $20, or $100. I'd fucking buy it. I don't care if it's xbla or a full retail release. Miziguchi is worth it.
Related bit: Mondo Grosso (aka Shinichi Osawa) released a new album last week.
Related bit: Mondo Grosso (aka Shinichi Osawa) released a new album last week.
CVG says that Mielke is now claiming he never said that MS fucked up big time. Typical Milkman. Throw a bomb and run away.
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=252464
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/article.php?id=252464
Child of Eden was the only thing that Microsoft had that was even slightly interesting. The Kinect line-up actually enraged me because of HOW uncreative it was. If they opened up with Dance Master and Child of Eden, they would have looked much better.
I don't know, I never got into Rez. I've played it, but never found it to be spectacular. Maybe this game will change my mind.
@Cynical Gamer
Child of Eden actually supports the Move, just for the record.
@Cynical Gamer
Child of Eden actually supports the Move, just for the record.
@Udir Arashikage
"They appealed to children with Kinectimals..moms with Your Shape and video chat..dads with the ESPN presentation..the whole damn fam can get together and play some Wii-type games..
MS knew who they were going for with their Kinect presentation.."
I think anyone who viewed the presentation knew as well. It's just too bad that NONE of these demographics attended, watched, or even remotely care about E3...Something MS should have learned from Nintendo's show last year.
Bottom line is, MS isn't just diving into this without thinking. It's all calculated. They said every negative thing they could about Wii in an attempt to slow Nintendo down, and when Wii's motion-controlled install base hit 70 million, they realized the mud slinging wasn't working, and jumped right smack-dab into Nintendo's game...4 years late.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ocQCKj_ls
"They appealed to children with Kinectimals..moms with Your Shape and video chat..dads with the ESPN presentation..the whole damn fam can get together and play some Wii-type games..
MS knew who they were going for with their Kinect presentation.."
I think anyone who viewed the presentation knew as well. It's just too bad that NONE of these demographics attended, watched, or even remotely care about E3...Something MS should have learned from Nintendo's show last year.
Bottom line is, MS isn't just diving into this without thinking. It's all calculated. They said every negative thing they could about Wii in an attempt to slow Nintendo down, and when Wii's motion-controlled install base hit 70 million, they realized the mud slinging wasn't working, and jumped right smack-dab into Nintendo's game...4 years late.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4ocQCKj_ls
I agree with everything you said Hell except that Microsoft said negative stuff about the wii. Not only were they not negative but one person once said that you could buy a wii and a 360 for the price of a Launch PS3. So in that instace they were encouraging people to buy one.
ITT nobody knows who james mielke is.
I liked him on 1up, and still like him now. That other guy ranting needs to chill.
I liked him on 1up, and still like him now. That other guy ranting needs to chill.
@Hell Hammer
E3 is not for gamers, it's for media and to entice people to invest/buy products. It doesn't matter that the mainstream people that MS was targeting don't huddle around their computers like us nerds to watch press conferences at E3. The mainstream media puts it out to the rest of the world through clips and articles about it and Kinect ends up on the Today Show and Oprah. MS knew exactly what they were doing from a marketing standpoint which should also be obvious by how much money they spent on the Cirque de Soliel (sp?) event and the fact that they paid to broadcast it, commercial free, on MTV.
And if you all think they failed by not catering to the diehard gamers this year, go check out the top selling products in the video game department on Amazon.
E3 is not for gamers, it's for media and to entice people to invest/buy products. It doesn't matter that the mainstream people that MS was targeting don't huddle around their computers like us nerds to watch press conferences at E3. The mainstream media puts it out to the rest of the world through clips and articles about it and Kinect ends up on the Today Show and Oprah. MS knew exactly what they were doing from a marketing standpoint which should also be obvious by how much money they spent on the Cirque de Soliel (sp?) event and the fact that they paid to broadcast it, commercial free, on MTV.
And if you all think they failed by not catering to the diehard gamers this year, go check out the top selling products in the video game department on Amazon.
Here's the link.
Also, anyone that thinks that Nintendo came out with that lineup this year because they "learned a lesson" from previous years or are paying back hardcore fans for their loyalty, is being naive. They learned a lesson from how much money they made off of New Super Mario Bros. Wii and that is the ONLY thing that they care about. If it was you or their fans that they were doing this for, those games wouldn't be $50 games. And don't forget that first party Nintendo games don't ever drop in price.
Wu Tang said it best:
"Cash Rules Everything Around Me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar, dollar bill y'all"
Also, anyone that thinks that Nintendo came out with that lineup this year because they "learned a lesson" from previous years or are paying back hardcore fans for their loyalty, is being naive. They learned a lesson from how much money they made off of New Super Mario Bros. Wii and that is the ONLY thing that they care about. If it was you or their fans that they were doing this for, those games wouldn't be $50 games. And don't forget that first party Nintendo games don't ever drop in price.
Wu Tang said it best:
"Cash Rules Everything Around Me
C.R.E.A.M.
Get the money
Dollar, dollar bill y'all"
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