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I still fail to see how this changes things. IR sensors are more practical and sensitive enough to achieve 1:1 without depending on a light source. Natal is going to be totally reliant on a light source and Move slightly so, which I imagine is why they have those lit mo-cap balls at the end of the dildo.
But so far, I'm not seeing a lot different in terms of ideas. I see Wii Sports clones and games that might make you look more retarded that if you were playing Just Dance.
I'm sure, that like the Wiimote, the applications for third and first person shooters are pretty good. At least as good as Metroid Prime Trilogy has it.
I think this is going to be an epic failure for both MS and Sony, they were just a bit late to the party on this and the only people paying attention to E3 are the ones that really didn't want this anyway.
But, hey, let Nintendo pull the strings if you want to. Even if they don't have the most awesome press conference, you're showing them they've still won. Imitation is the best form a flattery, after all.
But so far, I'm not seeing a lot different in terms of ideas. I see Wii Sports clones and games that might make you look more retarded that if you were playing Just Dance.
I'm sure, that like the Wiimote, the applications for third and first person shooters are pretty good. At least as good as Metroid Prime Trilogy has it.
I think this is going to be an epic failure for both MS and Sony, they were just a bit late to the party on this and the only people paying attention to E3 are the ones that really didn't want this anyway.
But, hey, let Nintendo pull the strings if you want to. Even if they don't have the most awesome press conference, you're showing them they've still won. Imitation is the best form a flattery, after all.
Lil DangerouZ: To compare to Natal, Sony needs a dodgeball game they only show. Not the variety and precision displayed in the vid.
Post about Natal, you get "Sony defence force" comments.
Post about Move, you get "Xbot" comments.
Destructoid used to be so damn nice, full of great posts. Now it appears to of been taken over by complaining fanboys.
/sigh
Post about Move, you get "Xbot" comments.
Destructoid used to be so damn nice, full of great posts. Now it appears to of been taken over by complaining fanboys.
/sigh
Wasn't impressed with the first half of the video because it looked like it was a little too sensitive to be fun, but Move Party looked like a blast. Too bad Sony didn't have this ready at launch, the Wii might have looked like the cheap alternative to the PS3, but now, its probably too little, too late. the ability to put stuff in people's hands is great though and could be incredible if used outside of more than just Move Party.
@Nyktharas You think it has something to do with Destructoid posting videos on Gametrailers, making the fanatics there aware of this place? I certainly do.
It's gonna be all about socom and killzone, gran turismo however i'll stick to the controller I think. Dunno, i'll give it a shot with the move.
I hate motion controls so yeah, hate is streaming out of all my orifices right now. This is just going to be the Wii that Sony fanboys buy to show off to their families in an attempt to prove how superior their console is.
The question is why i should spend money for an extra controller when these move games are just a eyetoy 1.1? Nothing new, oh yes you now see the stick in your hands. Fantastic improvment.
The sportsgames where not bad but what bugs me is that you simply have no controll over your characters movements...ironically. You just can move the ball,disc,sword/shild.
The sportsgames where not bad but what bugs me is that you simply have no controll over your characters movements...ironically. You just can move the ball,disc,sword/shild.
@Uther
Your probably right.
Oh well though, I just have to sift through shit to read the insightful comments from regulars, and funny posts from our usual fanboys. :)
Your probably right.
Oh well though, I just have to sift through shit to read the insightful comments from regulars, and funny posts from our usual fanboys. :)
I don't think it's fair to judge move based on a god fucking awful Wii Sports clone. That game looks like it would suck with any controller.
The second half of the video with the minigames actually looked... Fun, but it's relying more on the eyetoy aspect of the device rather than the motion controls.
As far as move goes I don't think the technology is flawed, however I don't foresee PS3 developers ever making a game worth owning the controller for. The same however is true of Natal and Wii Motion Plus.
Time has just proven that unless the accessory comes out of the box day 1 it's going no where. Especially with the costs attached to the products. Move requires the additional purchase of a PS3 eyetoy and Natal has been rumored to launch at $150 ensuring no one will buy it ever.
With Wii Motion Plus it's actually sad because the accessory is pretty cheap and does a lot for the controls, but because it's not out of the box developers won't use it. It still barely gets developed for a year later.
The second half of the video with the minigames actually looked... Fun, but it's relying more on the eyetoy aspect of the device rather than the motion controls.
As far as move goes I don't think the technology is flawed, however I don't foresee PS3 developers ever making a game worth owning the controller for. The same however is true of Natal and Wii Motion Plus.
Time has just proven that unless the accessory comes out of the box day 1 it's going no where. Especially with the costs attached to the products. Move requires the additional purchase of a PS3 eyetoy and Natal has been rumored to launch at $150 ensuring no one will buy it ever.
With Wii Motion Plus it's actually sad because the accessory is pretty cheap and does a lot for the controls, but because it's not out of the box developers won't use it. It still barely gets developed for a year later.
Can't wait for Lair 2, where you flap your arms to make the dragon fly!
Seriously though, I enjoy my Wii (often moreso for the games that only use limited motion controls), but I really hope the Move/Natal waggle phase just dies quickly on the 360 and PS3 so that we can get back to real gaming.
Seriously though, I enjoy my Wii (often moreso for the games that only use limited motion controls), but I really hope the Move/Natal waggle phase just dies quickly on the 360 and PS3 so that we can get back to real gaming.
Sorry but it doesn't look as good as I thought it was going to be. just looks clunky and not 1:1 as people say nowadays.
"If Nintendo signed up to develop for this thing, I might be interested."
They did develop this thing, like 4 years ago LOL! Disc golf? Really Sony? So you're just going to copy WiiSports, WiiSports Report, and WiiPlay verbatim are you? The thing I don't get is, why do they think people will just all of sudden upgrade to this because its supposedly a HD Wii? The games doesn't even look that good!
They did develop this thing, like 4 years ago LOL! Disc golf? Really Sony? So you're just going to copy WiiSports, WiiSports Report, and WiiPlay verbatim are you? The thing I don't get is, why do they think people will just all of sudden upgrade to this because its supposedly a HD Wii? The games doesn't even look that good!
@PEICanada7
I think were probably the only two posters from PEI on the site. That is assuming your name is actually where you live, lol.
I think were probably the only two posters from PEI on the site. That is assuming your name is actually where you live, lol.
Damn. Just as I suspected, boring mini-games. Microsoft better show off some seriously kick ass Natal games because the little interest I have in motion control is fading.
It looks pretty good with 2 controllers, but using only one with the sports game seems very limited. Those minigames look fun, but I'm fairly burnt out on minigame collections.
The problem with Natal(Wave?) and Move IMHO is the audience targeted, for cores this will be a no brainer... provided that decent software is released for them, but for casuals, that's an entirely different ball game:
First, there's the price aspect, a black Wii bundle at 200$ with console, controller, M+ and 2 games (Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort) is a great deal, even if they already own a Wii an M+ is just a 20 bucks extra, Move and Natal in contrast are 400$(300$ Slim + 100 Move bundle) and 350$ (200$ Arcade + 150$ Natal) new if the pricing rumors turn out to be true, even if someone already owns a PS3 or X360 the add-ons are at least an extra 100$.
Second, no interesting software has been shown for either(casual or core, though Sony at least confirmed SOCOM 4), what we've seen so far are tech demos or clones of Wii games (granted, that could change tomorrow).
So to sum things up, all this makes me think that in the casual POV (which is the main target here, let's not kid ourselves) this is just not worth it, why buy pricier HD versions of something you can already get at just 200$ bucks (or 20$)?. As for cores, well, that depends on what Sony and MS show, but if it's not breathtaking i'd expect few purchases from the "extreme fanboy" crowd, but little else beyond that.
First, there's the price aspect, a black Wii bundle at 200$ with console, controller, M+ and 2 games (Wii Sports and Wii Sports Resort) is a great deal, even if they already own a Wii an M+ is just a 20 bucks extra, Move and Natal in contrast are 400$(300$ Slim + 100 Move bundle) and 350$ (200$ Arcade + 150$ Natal) new if the pricing rumors turn out to be true, even if someone already owns a PS3 or X360 the add-ons are at least an extra 100$.
Second, no interesting software has been shown for either(casual or core, though Sony at least confirmed SOCOM 4), what we've seen so far are tech demos or clones of Wii games (granted, that could change tomorrow).
So to sum things up, all this makes me think that in the casual POV (which is the main target here, let's not kid ourselves) this is just not worth it, why buy pricier HD versions of something you can already get at just 200$ bucks (or 20$)?. As for cores, well, that depends on what Sony and MS show, but if it's not breathtaking i'd expect few purchases from the "extreme fanboy" crowd, but little else beyond that.
I lul'd when the calibration failed at the first part of the video, as that basically destroyed the only advantage I thought move would have over motion plus, which is lack of calibration/very quick calibration.
Both the Move and Natal haven't shown me anything that is making me want to run out and buy them. I hope the customers this is targeted at don't get it so MS and Sony can focus on the gamers that got them to where they are today, you know the people that threw their money at them for years so they could make us something no one asked for. I don't have an issue with trying something new but this just smacks of "holy shit Nintendo is doing awesome with console sales lets copy them somewhat and say its better."
Frisby looks meh. Gladiators looks BITCHIN'. Volleyball looks okay. Ping Pong looks cool. Rest of the games look okay, especially the drawing one. I really hope that this is just some sort of demo and you don't have to recalibrate the Move before each game...
Oh, and congrats on not making me look like a twat when I play it!
Oh, and congrats on not making me look like a twat when I play it!
As i said in another post. Natal will support the next Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter games. You play with your controller and give besides instructions to your nearby teammates via handsigns. Also you switch trough your HuDs via hand. I know, i know its a gimick...yet. If natal is about 50$ like roumored in the first place, this could become very fast a gaming standardt.
And yes i want to toss a granade with my hands, and besides i dont think this is happen because the lack of aiming, i think this could be fun to play. Also i could imagine to pick up things realy quick with a grip down. But i guess the digipad only player bellyached that much about the N64 controller back in the days.
And yes i want to toss a granade with my hands, and besides i dont think this is happen because the lack of aiming, i think this could be fun to play. Also i could imagine to pick up things realy quick with a grip down. But i guess the digipad only player bellyached that much about the N64 controller back in the days.
the bow game looks entertaining atleast but only when played with both controls. Same thing for the fighting game whats the point of playing it as shown they don't even block they just waggle which is probably why it doesn't look entertaining. They've got nice 1 to 1 controls and still only waggle left to right.
@Nyktharas
Because it totally impossible that nobody likes either one right? The only logical explanation is they all must be fanboys.
Look at all these Xbots. Bashing Move and also bashing Natal.
Wait...
Because it totally impossible that nobody likes either one right? The only logical explanation is they all must be fanboys.
Look at all these Xbots. Bashing Move and also bashing Natal.
Wait...
Uhhhh.... Is it just me, the reporter sucks at the games or do the games look REALLY hard to play? The AI was just destroying him whenever he tried to play alone with two controllers.
I just don't dig that "Second Life" look that Sony is going for. And the interface and calibration routines are barfolicious.
Thus far they're just making Nintendo look better
Thus far they're just making Nintendo look better
I think the problem with with this guy's playing is because the PSeye is having trouble reading the balls with so much light shining through the windows.
This looks bad, and I expect the same from Natal. Between the lag, constant calibration, poor graphics, choppy gameplay, and just overall uninteresting things to do... this is exactly why I'm not interested in motion games. I have the same complaints about the Wii.
If you want to impress me, Sony and MS, make it so I can do things like call out Dogmeat's name in Fallout 3 and watch him come running... or allow me to have actual conversations with NPC's in an RPG (like Milo for adults)... and whatever you do, please never require me to pick up a motion controller. My dual sticks work better than motion controls ever could. Strike that last comment: make me pick up a motion controller if it's Tiger Woods :)
If you want to impress me, Sony and MS, make it so I can do things like call out Dogmeat's name in Fallout 3 and watch him come running... or allow me to have actual conversations with NPC's in an RPG (like Milo for adults)... and whatever you do, please never require me to pick up a motion controller. My dual sticks work better than motion controls ever could. Strike that last comment: make me pick up a motion controller if it's Tiger Woods :)
Can I be first to call bullshit on the claims of lag, choppy gameplay, 2 second calibration, 360...I mean poor graphics? Game type preference is a to each his own matter, but exaggerating a video is fucking lame. So is shouting the name of anything at your TV or hoping for sci-fi conversations with NPCs. It's 2010, not 2057.
@30sec, the lag was noticeable, assuming the video of the players was in sync with the game. I have the same beef with all of the big 3. Choppy gameplay I'll give to you since it's not a final product. As for shouting anything at your TV, didn't the party game ask you to shout out at your TV at one point? And for sci-fi conversations, we've seen that with Natal and Milo. ;)
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