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E3 08: Miyamoto: Wii Music 'more interesting than videogames' photo

I don't ever like to be too harsh with my opinion, but Wii Music looks like vapid trash. Hey, I could be wrong, but I get a kind of vapid trash-esque vibe from it somehow that I just can't seem to shake. Design legend Shigeru Miyamoto knows more about it than I do, however, and has stated that his new pantomime horse is "more interesting than a videogame."

MTV's Stephen Totilo got the word from the man himself:

At a Nintendo developer’s roundtable event this evening in Los Angeles, a German journalist asked Nintendo designer Shigeru Miyamoto if it would be more appropriate to call “Wii Music,” which lacks goals and points, a” toy” rather than a “video game.”

Miyamoto replied tersely: “Yes, that’s right. And that’s why it’s more interesting than a video game.”

I hadn’t seen that side of Miyamoto before! Could it be — in this case as in so many before — that he’s right? Are we too hung up on traditional video game constraints to appreciate something more free-form?

Maybe I was wrong. Maybe moving my hand around to such epic tunes as Yankee Doodle Dandy and Twinkle Twinkle Little Star is actually a fascinating and rewarding experience. We all saw Miyamoto's little face at the Nintendo press conference, he was loving it. Either way, Wii Music is going to make millions of dollars on name value alone, no matter how worthwhile it actually is. Kind of like Paris Hilton.


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parrothead's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 10:44
parrothead
I am not going to be buying this game. I thought the Wii was just for working out!
killias2's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 10:44
killias2
I'm not sold on Wii Music, but I'm happy with some other tidbits coming out for the Wii. Hell, I'll admit, I'm quite curious about how the WiiMotionPlus will feel. If it's as good as I've heard, then maybe we could move beyond waggle to something truly revolutionary....
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 10:46
Crunshii
I friggin felled out of my chair @ work when I saw this:

Hoodie's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 10:48
Hoodie
@ Misanthrope: Holy Mountain FTW!!!
DynamicSheep's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 10:49
DynamicSheep
I think a big part of the problem is Cammie. I think that Reggie "Mayor of Hamburger Town" Fils-Aime is trying to move away from being Nintendo's mouth piece since he's been promoted to COO of NOA. In turn, I felt that this E3 was a transition from the Reginator to Cammie, and she probably had a good deal of input on what was gone over during the presser. A lot of "market expansion" talk was done, and I think she probably wanted to really press that Nintendo was going to continue on that path.

What I'm hoping for is that we'll hear something a little more substantial at E4A or PAX from Nintendo.
Misanthrope's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 10:50
Misanthrope
@Hoodie: First person in this site who recognizes the avatar, yes I loke me some Jdorowsky :D
Pepillou2's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 10:51
Pepillou2
Miyamoto is in a higher spiritual level.
Lime's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 10:54
Lime
Remember how when Wii Music was shown a year or so ago with the orchestra, and how everyone loved it then?

How times have changed... :/
GohanGVO's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 11:02
GohanGVO
Without wading too much into Nintendo Defense Force mode, I think what he meant by the comment is that a toy fits more into the mantra of imagination and experimentation. Games like 'GTA' aside, video games are often governed by the rules instituted by the developer (note: I am not saying they are bad games).

Then again, how much imagination and experimentation lies within 'Wii Music' is a toss-up ...
konchu's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 11:05
konchu
Miyamoto so riped off haze on this game. Its obvious this games is ment to be enjoyed while high.
pseudo hero's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 11:08
pseudo hero
Sorry Miyamoto I'll pass on this one.
LeeksFreaky's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 11:11
LeeksFreaky
I don't typically share Sterlings anti-casual sentiments, but he's dead on when it comes to Wii Music. Nintendo really missed the boat on this one, they could have given us a music simulator. Maybe something that would actually teach you how to play the drums, let you freestyle and record your own drum tracks. Instead, we get to wave our arms around and let the "game" do all the work. Lame.
ace of knaves's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 11:24
ace of knaves
Nintendo, at E3, you please the core gamers. You don't think we're your biggest market anymore? You think staking everything on your precious "casual gamers" is a viable long term strategy? Fine. But at E3, where we're the only ones watching you, judging you, actually caring what you say, then you throw us a goddamned bone. And you couldn't even do that. Pathetic.
kevkevblazini's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 11:35
kevkevblazini
Lawl@ some of these comments. 25+ years of awesomeness, some of the best video games EVAR MADE, and the singlehanded creation of the platform gaming genre alone and ya'll are throwing Miyamoto under the bus over a game none of us have ever played because he wants to try something different.Probably one of the reasons Nintendo could give a fuck less about us "core gamers", we are some ungrateful sumbitches, HA.
urbanyeti's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 11:39
urbanyeti
I say until I have seen a completed version of the game in my hands, I am going avoid the old cliche of judging a book by it's cover. Nintendo has proved me wrong before (Wind Waker being the biggest example) and I still trust Miyamoto more than I probably should. But...I will see. Maybe I am right about Wii Music, and maybe Miyamoto is right. I will only know in time.
Spectreman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 11:54
Spectreman
* Nintedo must have mesclade casual and hardcore games in your presentetion. The hype from one segment impulses the other. And wii music, I don“t know. Even Wii Sports and Wii Play had any challenge.
Magesx's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 11:55
Magesx
Kev, this isn't just something different. This is something shitty.
Fenx's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 11:56
Fenx
@kevkevblazini

To be fair some of us didn't grow up with "the best video games EVAR MADE" so we can't really be ungrateful. The earliest Nintendo game I remember really liking was Mario 64, and I wouldn't say that it was the best game I ever played. As for the "ungrateful sumbitches", is it so wrong to have high expectations and then be disappointed?
falinter's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 11:57
falinter
I think Miyamoto may have gone senile.
He should get checked out, make sure he doesn't have brain damage.

Even if he doesn't I think he may be getting too old to make games anymore.

He's lost touch.
Does he have a son that could fill in for him? Someone who is more in tuned with what ACTUAL gamers want.

Like fun.
ghets's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 11:58
ghets
I dont see anything fun or interesting about mashing random buttons and magically playing preset notes. It takes no skill and you dont learn anything. Maybe its fun for 5 or 10 minutes...

@kevkev.
say youre favorite metal band started making pop albums and you hate pop music or vice versa. Of course you would throw them under the bus. Youre not going to listen to shit that you think is lame. Doesnt mean you cant appreciate the old stuff or have hope that theyll put out something good in the future. But until then, theyre under the bus.
Tubatic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 12:11
Tubatic
But he said they're working PIKMIN!

WON'T SOMEONE PLEASE THINK OF THE PIKMINS!!!!!!!?!!?!?!!!!!
Crunshii's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 12:15
Crunshii
WHO CARES WHAT YOU GUYS THINK!?!?!!? or say,

Believe it or not, people will still buy this crap, Nintendo Poop has been selling high, more than crack-cola.

If you don't believe me, ask Yohimbo :)
brainderailment's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 12:15
brainderailment
"I appreciate everything Miyamoto has done for videogames in the past, but fuck him for everything he's doing right now."

I agree wholeheartedly.
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 12:57
Dan CiTi
I think there was a fair amount of Super Mario Galaxy that was challenging, enough to make it better than Sunshine 64.

Wii Music will be a fun distraction I guess. Animal Crossing CF looks like my new crack.
catsithx's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 12:58
catsithx
Yeah yeajh all cry all you want Nintendo will still make millions 360 will still get more titles for it's system that were once excsluvie to the PS3. ANd the PS3 will still cost to much for me to care about buying it. :P
mightypotato's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 12:59
mightypotato
The Wii is marketed so much to casual gamers that it would be just pointless for a developer to spend their time and resources making a game that just won't sell. Think about this: why spend shitloads of money and years in development for a FPS for the Wii, when you could easily make 2-3 times more profit by making the game for the PC, PS3 or 360.

I would expect some good quality GAMES coming for Nintendo consoles occasionally, but for the most part this kind of stuff is the crap we can expect.
iwontusemyname's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 13:07
iwontusemyname
i think what's really funny is that the argument has gone from, "guitar hero is stupid, play a real fucking guitar" to "wii music is stupid, play a real fucking guitar game".
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 13:11
Daxelman
Until they come up with Saxophone Hero, Im stuck with WiiMusic, which I actually like unlike everyone else on the godforbidden internet.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 13:43
Sharpless
I need to apologize to Chad in advance for this comment: Shigeru Miyamoto is out of his fucking mind. He has lost touch. He does not know what the hell he is doing anymore (beyond printing money).

That said, I do agree with his implied point that we put too much emphasis on "gaming" and complexity and challenge, and not enough emphasis on just simply having fun. Still, Shigs is off the deep end.
mikeyed's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 13:53
mikeyed








WAHHAHAHHAAAWWWAAHAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mikeyed's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 13:54
mikeyed
I forgot to add, imagine FOUR of them doing the same thing.
Daxelman's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 13:58
Daxelman
Hmm, from actually reading posts now, I've come to a conclusion.

Nobody here will never makes as much money as Nintendo does in one minuet. Not even me.

Shock And Awe bitches.
FuriousGeorge's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 14:25
FuriousGeorge
watching e3 was all about a bunch of games that copied RE4.......

or some other game before them, nothings original it just expands on ideas.... Im 22 eyars old and playing games like god of war the other made me realize that damn, maybe theres more to life
-PL-'s Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 14:26
-PL-
What do you expect, guys? After decades of mindless idolization and fellating, Miyamoto is going to think that everything he does is golden. All for creating Mario and Zelda, which were just there when nothing else was. It could have easily been someone else. Miyamoto has lost it.
vonrichter's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 14:42
vonrichter
Are you all brainwashed? If you don't like it/want it, don't play it/buy it. It's that simple.

Nintendo has a long history of going through big dry spells and epic development cycles.

Everyone is making a mountain out of a molehill.
Cowboy TTop's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 16:05
Cowboy TTop
Sorry Nintendo, it looks quirky but not something I'd buy.

Now can we please get back to normal games?
TheDreadHawk's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 16:28
TheDreadHawk
Lol at Kannon.
Tino's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 16:51
Tino
Honestly, I think this is a joke. Some executive at Nintendo has his pension riding on this. The bet is to try to make the single most pointless thing in the world, admit it has almost no point whatsoever, and even call it a TOY. Then sell it and see how much it sells.
Sharpless's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 17:16
Sharpless
@vonrichter
We have every right to object to it. It's dumb. It's mediocrity. We love gaming and we prefer to have it sans mediocrity. Nothing wrong with that. You also have the right not to complain.
Cletus the Fetus's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 17:30
Cletus the Fetus
Great. Now Miyamoto is dead to me too. Never thought I'd say that. Maybe he's got early Alzheimers?
Master E's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 17:39
Master E
@Sharpless

Mediocrity? Heh... welcome to how I felt half-way through the last generation.
Mxyzptlk's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 20:31
Mxyzptlk
And once again, the internet blows one of Miyamoto's quotes way out of proportion so they have an excuse to whine more about how Nintendo doesn't love them best anymore.
hpv's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/17/2008 21:04
hpv
Tubatic: Because Nintendo is selling a novelty and when the novelty wears off you're going to have people who have lost interest and people who want something a little deeper than a teaspoon. Nintendo has completely alienated their base and if they don't figure out how to make Wii something more than a novelty fad it's going to blow over and they'll be fucked. I'd love to hear the brilliant idea you clearly believe you have for how this will not happen, but I don't see it at all.

Dan CiTi: Oh yeah, what part of Mario Galaxy is even remotely challenging? I can think of parts that are frustrating (like any time you have to jump on a guy while the camera is pointed straight down or any level with the spring suit) but nothing that is remotely challenging. Not that Sunshine is very difficult, but at least it's more so than Galaxy. It's also the better game.

Sharpless: Very few video games are fun that don't provide any challenge. I'm sure this crap will continue to sell for a while and not get played, but even the idiots that are the American consumer base won't keep buying it forever. Then hopefully Shiggy can get the help he so desperately needs.
vonrichter's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/18/2008 23:09
vonrichter
N first-party games have been too easy since the SNES. Super Metroid and Zelda 3, while being good games, are walks in the park difficulty-wise.
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