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[As originally posted on Japanator]

Straight out of E3 is the trailer for the Japanese forces -- no, sorry, the "Empire of the Rising Sun." In this little video, we get to see some of the Japanese forces, with cool Japanese names, and the deterministic voice of a general who sounds like he's been punched in the gut. There was something that bothered me, though, while watching the video.

I know that in the Red Alert mythology, that World War II proper never happened. This is essentially the result of that. But to have the Japanese troops brandishing the flag of the Rising Sun so prominently in the trailer? EA, surely you've got to realize that the flag carries some baggage with it.

It's not like people haven't criticized the flag's use before. It is the same as flagrantly waving around the Nazi flag in WWII games. I don't have the best memory of the earlier Call of Duty titles, but I can't seem to remember prominent symbols of Nazism placed throughout the game. Not that I'm calling EA racist or anything, I just believe they're not necessarily thinking about what they're doing.

In general, there's a stereotype in games to portray the Japanese as the propaganda from the 1940's did -- fanatical, willing to die at a moment's notice, and totally ruthless. I realize you're representing an alternative Japanese army here, but the game seems to wave the flag in your face, making it, and all the stereotypes that go along with it, rather prevalent. But hey, don't worry -- you won't have to sit through other games and watch Nazis oppress Jews or gypsies. That'd just be insensitive.








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ChronicLogic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 10:47
ChronicLogic
Ugh, so much weaboo material. Thank god they didn't show off the japanese school girl hero unit in this trailer. No doubt the Empire of the Rising Sun will be the Wapanese's favorite.
Char Aznable's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 11:00
Char Aznable
Hey, this guy used "weeaboo" and "Wapanese" in the same comment. Double internet cool points for you!

Damn, that game looks incredibly fun. In particular, the air/sea switching unit seems like a cool concept (and an annoying enemy). The one transforming mech looks like it was ripped straight out of Macross.

I lost track of Command and Conquer after the first game, so I have clearly been missing out on a lot. I'll have to get reacquainted with the series. I'm not touching that flag issue with a 10-foot pole, though.
NobodysDream's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 11:10
NobodysDream
Although the flag is equatable to the Nazi Swastika, it is just as equatable to the Hammer and Sickle of communist Russia. I mean, it's not like Stalin didn't commit genocide. But because this game is so lighthearted, with stereotypical elements throughout (god, I remember russian troops would respond sounding drunk) the imperial flag doesn't bother me much. Short of a troop order that tells your guys to bomb pearl harbor and rape and murder the Chinese, I'm all right with it.

The thing I'm worried about is that the Allies are starting to look bland and boring in comparison to Tesla troops, circus bears, Macross style jets, and fucking Gundams. Hopefully the U.S. of A. will get some kickass units as well.
Technophile's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 11:16
Technophile
I'm with NobodysDream on this. Of course this means that somebody is going to take it completely out of context and cause a big stink over it.
TurboSpaz's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 11:18
TurboSpaz
Sweet trailer!
sexycommando's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 11:22
sexycommando
Yeah I'm Korean and I find it offensive that they are using the flag. To many Asians, that flag is much more offensive than the Nazi Swatstika (not the Buddhist one).
sexycommando's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 11:25
sexycommando
Oh and EA doesn't know how to make a balanced RTS to save their crummy franchise-destroying asses. The only RTS I'm buying this year will be from Blizzard.
ChronicLogic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 11:36
ChronicLogic
Rising Sun Flag more offensive than Nazi Flag? Lol.
DrNutt's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 11:48
DrNutt
lol at chroniclogic's obviously western biased grasp of history.

But anyway, I think it's fine. You can't go back and change history, and it would be stupid to have a different flag and have to try and work that into the story somehow. "Umm, they changed it or something because they needed something like, cooler."

Also, you may want to make it more clear in the write up exactly what game the trailer is for. I had to read it three times, and even now I only know that it's some game in the Red Alert series.
ChronicLogic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 12:07
ChronicLogic
I'm pretty sure germans killed more civilians than the japanese did. And besides WW2 nevar happened so no massacres happened. So technically the flag shouldn't be offensive to nobody.
combatmedic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 12:53
combatmedic
I honestly do not see an issue here. I mean I love history and know of alot of the things not only the Nazis, Rooskies, and the Japs did, but its not like the US has never done anything wrong.

Getting upset over a flag is insane, no matter what kind of atrocities it flew over. Get over being hurt by something that did not happen to you. I don't get all bent out of shape when I see an English flag or a Packers fan. Grow up all ready and move on.
Drunken Haze's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 13:16
Drunken Haze
Personally I am insulted every time a game dares use the stars and stripes. Its a symbol of traitorous rebel colonist scum. Game developers are just 'insensitive' to use it.
NobodysDream's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 13:17
NobodysDream
I wouldn't say people should "grow up and move on", but the flag isn't used in a context that glorifies or respects what it stands for. Its an over-exaggerated parody of Japanese stereotypes. I mean, Starcraft used the Confederate flag with a bunch of redneck racist white motherfuckers, a symbol which is far more potent and offensive to me as I have experienced that hateful culture up close. But the context in which it is used is not offensive. Besides, you don't have to play as racist rednecks or genocidal Japanese, you could just murder those mother fuckers instead. One of my most satisfying game experiences was channeling my real anger through fictional Zerg and kicking some hillbilly ass. KILL THEM KERRIGAN! KILL THOSE RACIST FUCKS!

I'm sorry, I got away from myself for a second.
anomalous underdog's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 13:18
anomalous underdog
@combatmedic: Your point is understandable. But I think what the Japanese would be concerned is that players who play this game would get the wrong impression of what Japan is, especially kids, who are easily influenced. The same could be said on this game's depiction of Soviet Russia.

I think what's really been done here is that EA pretty much raped the whole Command & Conquer franchise. I liked the C&C games released by Westwood way better. C&C 3 sucked for me, so I won't be surprised if I find this one mediocre. Who knows, it might turn out to be good. I'm not holding my breath though.

@Char Aznable: I think they also got the Macross idea from Starcraft 3. They have a unit that does that as well.
zeroword's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 14:23
zeroword
lol @ DrNutt - What does bias have to do with it? The holocaust was called the holocaust for a reason. It was the second largest democide of noncombatants in history right under China's own Cultural Revolution and just above the slaughter of the Native Americans.
DrNutt's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 15:37
DrNutt
Yep, numbers are everything, aren't they? I'm just saying that if you were an Asian person whose heritage included enduring Imperial Japan, you may be more inclined to be more offended by the Imperial Japanese flag rather than a Nazi Flag. So yeah, his Western bias makes it hard for him to see that.
combatmedic's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/15/2008 18:47
combatmedic
Im of Russian decent and I dont feel some deep wound begin to sting every time I see the hammer and sickle because I did not get that wound, my great grandparents did. Same for the russian spy trials my grandparents went through. I dont resent the government because of that, because that is not the world we live in now. Now if an Asian person is playing this game and sees this, and is offended, well yea I can see a reason to be upset.

And speaking of age, most of the C&C games are T+, so no child of impressionable age SHOULD be playing this game. Lets not get started on that whole bucket of snakes.
Amp's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2008 01:56
Amp
Much like combatmedic, I don't see the big issue here.

I'll put this on the table, I think the depiction of Imperial Japan in Red Alert 3 being "culturally offensive", is on the same level of Resident Evil 5 not caring about black zombies being "racially offensive".
Amp's Avatar - Comment posted on 07/16/2008 02:04
Amp
Also, comparing the flag of Imperial Japan to the Nazi Swastika is a slightly different issue.

You have to take into account that largely the reason we don't see the swastika in games these days is because of the current German government as it is. They're actively working to erase all notion that Germany had the Nazi uprising back then. So any games depicting Nazi Germany in any way at all are banned, any Nazi symbolism is banned, etc.

So most game developers are catering to the German government when they develop World War 2 games and are simply changing the word "Nazi" to "Axis" and substituting some other specially designed symbol in place of the swastika. This all so that Germany remains an open market to them.

Now, we will have to wait and see if Japan has a problem with the Imperial nation being depicted in such a fashion. Though highly more likely, this game won't even be touched in Japan because it was made by an American developer, and if memory serves "western" games don't do so well over there.
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