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DS flash carts = information terrorism! photo

The great piracy debate has accomplished only one thing -- the proliferation of alarmist buzz-words to make piracy sound ten times more sinister than it actually is. Industry types used to equate piracy with communism, but that no longer sounds scary enough. Terrorism is all the rage these days, and Japanese game publishers have decided that's the new gold standard when it comes to labeling software pirates. Yes, DS flash carts are just Al Qaeda in another form.

"The fact is that you can download any Nintendo DS game as much as you want, so there's no way to even calculate the damage," explains Association of Copyright for Computer Software president Yutaka Kubota. "This is an issue that affects our national interests, and personally, I see it as a form of information terrorism that is crushing Japan's industry."

Don't get me wrong -- the fact that a game platform's entire library can be ripped off without penalty is somewhat disturbing, and it's a shame that so many good games suffer in sales thanks to so-called hardcore gamers stealing them. However, the reactions from the other side of the fence are just laughable. They need to be looking at ways of using piracy to their advantage, rather than sitting back and making hysterical claims to magazines. 

Look what happened to the music industry. Perhaps if record labels had worked with online music distribution instead of fighting it, they wouldn't be on their knees right now. Videogame publishers sometimes seem in danger of going the exact same way.


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Dexter345's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 13:49
Dexter345
I don't know that publishers not working with digital distribution platforms would help the issue any. Do we have any data on whether or not DSiWare titles have been pirated, and in what amounts?
Half left's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 13:49
Half left
Does 'information terrorism' even make sense in that context?

Nice use of 'thanks' at the end of the statement.
CocoJambo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 13:53
CocoJambo
It also doesn't help that sites such as this are too easy on pirates, who come in the comments brag about it.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 13:55
Jim Sterling
"It also doesn't help that sites such as this are too easy on pirates, who come in the comments brag about it."

Should I be arresting them?
somatix's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 13:58
somatix
The use of the term "terrorism" is just plain wrong. By definition terrorism is: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Software piracy is generally bad; however it does not compare to going into a cafe and blowing yourself up.
Arttemis's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 13:59
Arttemis
If I owned a PSP or DS, there's absolutely no fucking way I'd be carrying around multiple cartridges or UMDs. Whatever I would play would be on a single SDHC or Memory Card Duo. We're talking about portable systems here in the age of digital media.

Whether or not they want to embrace this method of digital distribution for titles or not, it's their own damn fault that it's gotten this far already.
CocoJambo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 14:00
CocoJambo
No, but they should be shunned.
SnakeDude4Life's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 14:11
SnakeDude4Life
Bushcent: Dang turrists, usin' teh internets to steal our nukular vidya games.

Lets not misunderestimate the turrists; they might start putting in subliminable to trick to chillns' in to hitin' Merica.

God bless Merica, thank you.
whormongr's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 14:37
whormongr
the term "theft" is already a stretch (since you are copying and not removing the media or value from the IP) but terrorism just makes no sense- you might as we call torrents wmd's and start calling piracy child anal rape since it has about as much correlation as it does with terrorism. The only thing the industry is doing is watering down terrorism, not demonizing copyright infringement, personally if I were from the one of the families of 911 victims I would be highly offended.... I am not and am still offended
SpAM CAN's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 14:40
SpAM CAN
Heres what I think:

UMDs suck. They break too easily. But with me on a 3000 I will have to wait for a while to get rid of my crappy plastic disks.

DS cards get lost TOO EASILY. I have lost Metroid Prime Hunters, New Super Mario Bros, Sonic Rush and Mario Kart. All my good ones it seems :( My M3 Real has everything I need. AND I don't have to pay £50 for Metroid Zero Mission! Hooray!

Wii piracy... Why the hell would I pay £40 for Wii Music? I borrowed it off a friend, installed to my HDD, and great. VC... we shouldn't spend money on games we already have.

Xbox... too much trouble.

PS3... 45GB for one game... no thanks. I also need the actual PS3.

PC and Mac... Too easy. Why spend £60 on a program you will hardly use?


If I like it I buy it. Plain and simple. If not I delete it. Doesn't make me a terrorist, I just don't want to waste my monnies :D
Shin Oni's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 14:40
Shin Oni
I'm on both sides of this "fight" where I own a hacked PSP but don't own a R4 cartridge. I'll buy my DS games but when it comes to PSP games, there's never anything I want to buy for it in America. Publishers don't bother bringing the games i'm interested in to America and that means if it's Jap language heavy, I miss out. Other games though is a different story. I am glad that DJ Max is starting to get big in america because i'll be quick to buy the american version for support over here rather than NOT download it.

though this isn't anything new. It's only growing because it's becoming so easy to find everything on the internet. Nintendo's answer to killing the R4s was the DSi and as you can see, that's already been cracked. Nintendo doesn't need to release a new handheld to stop piracy. That's only going to increase it.

As for digital downloading, it's something that should've been thought up for handhelds since it got big. Granted i'm a person who wants everything (case, game, book, etc.)it does no good if publishers aren't going to even consider doing it. Sony's "somewhat" trying it with the PSP but i'm sure there's a way around it.
CocoJambo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 14:52
CocoJambo
And this is what I was talking about.
Tonedeaf's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 15:08
Tonedeaf
I've gone through several DS flashcarts, and let me tell you: I've started to feel guilty about stealing games. So, I'm buyng the ones I really like, a few at a time. Buying the carts also removes the cheating temptation flashcarts provide, so we'll see if any of my DS rpgs are more fun without infinite HP/MP. I'll still carry my flashcart around though, just in case I get the urge for some Advance Wars or DBZ Supersonic Warriors 2 lovin' (BTW, those are two games I paid for and love, but carrying them everywhere plus a few rpgs and and other games reveals how annoying it is to carry multiple carts everywhere.)

So therefore, piracy is best used as a trial service and luggage shrinker, although I am aware from experience that once a major RPG is leaked to the internet a week early (Pokemon Platinum) even a guilty pirate like me might not want to use the retail cart if you have a weeks worth of progress in a save file on an SD card. But in my case, I have vowed that my next playthroughs of Dragon Quest V and Chrono Trigger will be on the retail carts, as well as any other DS RPGs in the future I like enough to buy.
Tonedeaf's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 15:08
Tonedeaf
I've gone through several DS flashcarts, and let me tell you: I've started to feel guilty about stealing games. So, I'm buyng the ones I really like, a few at a time. Buying the carts also removes the cheating temptation flashcarts provide, so we'll see if any of my DS rpgs are more fun without infinite HP/MP. I'll still carry my flashcart around though, just in case I get the urge for some Advance Wars or DBZ Supersonic Warriors 2 lovin' (BTW, those are two games I paid for and love, but carrying them everywhere plus a few rpgs and and other games reveals how annoying it is to carry multiple carts everywhere.)

So therefore, piracy is best used as a trial service and luggage shrinker, although I am aware from experience that once a major RPG is leaked to the internet a week early (Pokemon Platinum) even a guilty pirate like me might not want to use the retail cart if you have a weeks worth of progress in a save file on an SD card. But in my case, I have vowed that my next playthroughs of Dragon Quest V and Chrono Trigger will be on the retail carts, as well as any other DS RPGs in the future I like enough to buy.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 15:14
DinnertimeNinja
I just recently got an R4 after finding an awesome deal on one.

I had been holding out because I generally buy all the games I feel are worth buying but I finally got fed up with the DS's dearth of crap games that I don't play for more than 15 minutes.

Not to mention that Nintendo brand games are far more expensive than the other games and they NEVER drop in price. Portable systems are often about impulse buys for me, so when I see an older game that I thought looked cool for $10-15 I'll buy it, but Nintendo games NEVER hit that price. Also, most of them are just rehashes or ports of older games diminishing their value to me.

In any case, I've only used my R4 for two things: 1- Pokemon Platinum (I previously bought Diamond so I wanted to see if it was markedly better. It really wasn't) and 2- Culdcept DS (it's a fan translation of the JP version which apparently is never going to see a US release.)

If anyone wants more info on the Culdcept DS stuff, send me a PM and I'll hook you up.
Tonedeaf's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 15:15
Tonedeaf
Sorry about the double post. It was because Destructoid took so long to display my comment I thought there was trouble on my end.

But since I'm here, I'll offer my suggestions for a digital download future: insert the manual into the game. If you've played Retro Game Challenge, you know what I'm thinking of.
Quisling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 15:26
Quisling
I obviously have never used any pirating software. Ever. Though if I had, I would be sure to state that in my experience, I use pirating games as a way of "testing" them, especially considering most DS games don't have demos of any kind.

I test games of multiple genres, including those that I would have never looked twice at otherwise. And yes, my not R4 has encouraged SEVERAL (read: about 8 or 9) cart purchases that I would not have made otherwise.

Sure, it'd be easy to just keep the games on the R4 and play whenever I want, but I actually WANT the games industry to survive. So I buy games also. It's the only way to go, IMHO.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 15:33
Syn
The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

By that definition, anyone speaking against the USA or any of it's actions, or wanting a re-evaluation of our so called "Democracy" is instantly a terrorist. Look up force, and then wonder why they are using it separately from violence.

The more you know...
The-Excel's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 16:08
The-Excel
Why does everyone keep specifically denying that they have an R4?
gamadaya's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 16:10
gamadaya
I just fucking love pirating. I haven't paid for a game in over 6 months now. I'm an evil man and I love it! It does hurt the industry though, so I do sort of wish it didn't exist. But as long as it does...
Timmeh's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 16:21
Timmeh
lol Japan. It isn't information terrorism that's hurting your industry - it's releasing the same old shit again and again and again.

Terrorism... what the shit.
seaniccus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 17:02
seaniccus
It sure is nice to see top-notch blogs like Destructoid suggesting that the solution to piracy is more piracy. Use piracy to your advantage? Get real man, I don't even care what the studies say about sales and piracy - it doesn't matter, the creator or owner of a piece of media should have the right to say how it's distributed. I'm pretty sick of this entitlement attitude this generation thinks they have - you don't have a right to free music, free movies, or free games. You are "stealing," regardless of the fact you aren't "removing" anything from the shelf. It is immoral, wrong, and it hurts honest people.

World of Goo? Great game, almost everybody agrees. Piracy rate? 80-90%. Publishing company? Bankrupt. Knock it off guys.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 17:06
Syn
@seanicus: I'm sorry, but you are wasting your time. Try telling people to stop drinking or smoking you get the same response. Which is why we say there has to be some way that piracy, or at least it's methods can be used to help the industry. It's just a matter of finding the way.
seaniccus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 17:11
seaniccus
@Syn:
Drinking and smoking isn't against the law and it doesn't hurt the producers of cigarettes or alcohol - in fact, it helps them.

I'm under no delusions - piracy is never going away, I'm just disappointed that the current generation is so selfish that they actually try to justify it as "the right thing" and "good" and demonize companies trying to protect their own interests and survival as bad, evil, stupid, and in the way of some sort of progress. Try being one of the guys that produces this often stolen media, it changes your perspective a little. Work in film sure as hell changed mine.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 17:28
Jim Sterling
"It sure is nice to see top-notch blogs like Destructoid suggesting that the solution to piracy is more piracy"

Wow, you really just took what I wrote and decided to make your own meaning up, didn't you?
Dan CiTi's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 17:32
Dan CiTi
Piracy is a good time.
seaniccus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 17:37
seaniccus
Not really Jim. Not really. Claiming publishers should "use piracy to their advantage" is such a ridiculous statement, I could have interpreted it as a recipe for chocolate cake and still have made about as much sense. It is indeed putting words in your mouth to assume by this you meant the "usual means" of using piracy to the advantage of companies, and I fully admit to contortion and wild interpretation - however, this does not excuse the absurdity of your statement. Does the industry need to re-evaluate it's distribution methods to out compete piracy, a competitor they shouldn't even have? Yes, absolutely. Does that in any way mean they should use piracy to "their advantage?" Absolutely not. Illegal distribution, under no circumstances, deserves a positive spin.
seaniccus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 17:39
seaniccus
@Jim

I should also clarify that I agree with your article, I just have a pet peeve that I get carried away with. Sorry about that. Calling piracy "information-terrorism" is a gross misuse of terminology that will likely do little to nothing to help their cause.
seaniccus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 17:40
seaniccus
@Jim

I should also clarify that I agree with your article, I just have a pet peeve that I get carried away with. Sorry about that. Calling piracy "information-terrorism" is a gross misuse of terminology that will likely do little to nothing to help their cause.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 18:11
Jim Sterling
Valve is an company that has stated it uses piracy as an advantage. It tracks illegal downloads in certain countries and realizes where it needs to add more support. It's worked out very well for them so far.

Using the music industry example. When record labels were busy shutting down sites like Napster, they did not think to instead try and work with such sites to make money, rather than trying to close them and demonizing their customers. There are ways you can make money from the current situation and to entice people to pursue more economically friendly avenues of game acquisition. Steam is one of them.

The fact of the matter is, many big-name publishers are acting exactly like major record labels did in the nineties. History will repeat itself unless publishers wise up and realize that piracy is here to stay, and they have to roll with the punch rather than attempting to absorb it and refuse to change their stance.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 18:11
Syn
@seanicus: the legality of the issue wasn't really the parallel I was trying to draw, but more the fact that people enjoy it and they aren't going to let anyone take it from them, as we have seen in the past (prohibition) regardless of if it is right or wrong. And what was the solution we reached with alcohol, and soon other drugs? Make them legal and establish a method of using them.

As much as it displeases me, legal and "right" are not synonyms.
PrinnyMedic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 18:14
PrinnyMedic
I don't like piracy its one of the reasons developers are giving us Bullshit DLC
seaniccus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 18:42
seaniccus
@Jim

It looks like we simply disagree on what "using piracy to your advantage" means. What you described sounds less like "using piracy" to me than "combating piracy" with intelligent business practices. Those actions are designed to lower piracy rates by providing a service that is more convent to the user than downloading the content illegally, or "better support" in high piracy areas. Your example is probably the first I've seen in the guise of "using piracy to their advantage" that wasn't a call for developers/publishers to use piracy as "advertising," championing illegal distribution as good for the industry.

But yes, Valve is exactly what I'm talking about - they are a company that is reinventing and reevaluating content distribution to face the chaining industry. It's my opinion that they shouldn't have to, but it can't be avoided - they are fighting a force that can't be stopped through conventional means.

As I said, I was knowingly being a little unreasonable because of a pet peeve. I agree with your formed opinion, but your delivery of said opinion struck a chord with me - I disagree with your terminology.
seaniccus's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 18:46
seaniccus
@Syn

So you are suggesting we make piracy legal, and find a way to "use it?"

(This was the parallel you were making to prohibition, correct? The problem with this is that the crime in trafficking drugs and alcohol that came out of prohibition came out of something that was previously legal and enjoyed being banned. Piracy would only be comparable to the illegal sale of drugs and alcohol if it was a response to Video Games being outlawed, which it is not. These things were only made legal again after the crime got out of hand and it was determined that controlled distribution system would lower crime rates - whereas for video games we already have a controlled and legal distribution system.)
CocoJambo's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 19:17
CocoJambo
Its obvious the industry is already adapting with digital distribution services such as steam, the supposed PSP GO, etc. But this takes time and people will always find a justification for doing it, I mean losing DS games?!

I just don't think this people should even be allowed to brag or publicise their piracy habits on a gaming website (that has a symbiotic relation with the industry), and not even be condoned. Piracy won't just go away, sure, and many of the DRM implementations are bullshit, but the current gamer audience also needs to be "educated" by their peers.

(Can already imagine Jim doing a post along the lines of "Piracy is bad kids, don't do it. LOLz").

@Syn

The way you're talking, it seems you wont mind on a "creative" tax over your ISP bill, because that's how governments turn alcohol into profit.
Chronic Logic's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 19:24
Chronic Logic
Terrorists using video game piracy to further their plans of world domination? That'd actually make a interesting movie. But yea, these guys are just a wee little too paranoid.
DinnertimeNinja's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/21/2009 23:38
DinnertimeNinja
Oh yeah, I wanted to mention that the guy up there that said he doesn't like UMD's because they "break too easily" (they don't) and DS carts because he loses them all is hilarious.

The form of media isn't the problem, the problem is your treatment of your possessions.
Syn's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/22/2009 01:58
Syn
@CocoJambo: that actually sounds like a pretty good idea. But in order to enforce it we would have to allow the ISP to keep track of everything that we do on the internet, which doesn't sit well with me.
FinnE's Avatar - Comment posted on 05/31/2009 08:42
FinnE
@seaniccus I don't think anyone is suggesting that we legalize piracy. but, for instance, if an organization were to offer unlimited digital downloads for some arbitrary price per month, that would allow for the downloading of games and other media to retain their convenience while the companies that produce said games and media to make some sort of profit from it.

the point is that this is the information age. as time goes on, information becomes more easily accessible to wide-spectrum audiences, and easier to share between individuals in that audience. trying to enforce some sort of wide anti-piracy movement (I'm not saying this is what you're doing, but it is what the music industry has been trying to do for ages) is an exercise in futility and ends up criminalizing citizens for increasingly insignificant acts. digital downloads are here to stay, but that doesn't mean piracy is. the long term solution is to find a way to reconcile the convenience and abundance of mainstream media downloads with the ownership and profitability of distributed work by artists and designers. however, we've got to leave that up to the business guys, because I have no idea how to do that.
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