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Jesus, Jim. It sure does sound like you're picking through the guy's comments looking for reasons to get angry about them. I don't think he's saying anything even remotely like what you're accusing him of saying. None of it seems at all unreasonable to me.
You're acting like he said they're using DRM to hold us hostage so we'll pay for things, and I don't see that anywhere. What I see is that he doesn't like the state of things either and it sounds like he'd like to find a way to make it better, or at the very least he's playing lip-service to the notion.
And the MMO thing? Really think you're taking that wrong. I don't see any suggestion there of making games more like MMOs. He's just using that genre as an example of something that gamers perceive value in that loses value when pirated.
Really not getting why this is so dramatic. What gives?
You're acting like he said they're using DRM to hold us hostage so we'll pay for things, and I don't see that anywhere. What I see is that he doesn't like the state of things either and it sounds like he'd like to find a way to make it better, or at the very least he's playing lip-service to the notion.
And the MMO thing? Really think you're taking that wrong. I don't see any suggestion there of making games more like MMOs. He's just using that genre as an example of something that gamers perceive value in that loses value when pirated.
Really not getting why this is so dramatic. What gives?
I really don't know why they bother. They clearly have a better grasp of consoles, and can't seem to come to grips with the fact that on PC, for better or worse, you have to make paying for your product more attractive than pirating it.
@Phil- I belive its from repo the genetic opera, or possibly one of my sex dreams.
I dont quite understand what they want to do. Do they want us to spend 100 bucks a game? Or do they want to sell us unfinished games for full price that we then pay every month for while they patch it?
I dont quite understand what they want to do. Do they want us to spend 100 bucks a game? Or do they want to sell us unfinished games for full price that we then pay every month for while they patch it?
Ubisoft will get its "value" when they stop giving customers a worse experience than pirates. With their actions, they're basically telling people not to buy their games.
How about you give me a complete experience and don't fuck me over in the process? That's how the business used to work, right?
If you're making life more difficult for people who support your work then you're not walking any kind of line. You've crossed that shit, dogg, stepped way the fuck over it like a dude was wearing stilts.
"Is it fair for someone to enjoy our content without us receiving some value for that? I think at the core of that is, no," he told Eurogamer. "Otherwise, other than works of charity, there would be few games made."
As proof of his being correct, he pointed out that the second hand market caused the industry to collapse in 1992, and that the only games made since have been charitable endeavors.
Another day, another wacky baseless statement from a high ranking video game exec.
As proof of his being correct, he pointed out that the second hand market caused the industry to collapse in 1992, and that the only games made since have been charitable endeavors.
Another day, another wacky baseless statement from a high ranking video game exec.
Sooo, what Ubisoft is saying is that I should take my money and give it to ANY other publisher for the forseeable future?
Cheers for that Ubisoft, and cheers Jim for digging up this small nugget of, quite honestly petty noise from Ubisoft's public lies department.
Cheers for that Ubisoft, and cheers Jim for digging up this small nugget of, quite honestly petty noise from Ubisoft's public lies department.
That's fine. I'll buy their games when I get what I'm owed which is a hassle-free experience.
I was going to get the new Anno, but come the hell on.
I was going to get the new Anno, but come the hell on.
I don't think what he's saying is really outrageous Jim.
Ubisoft has been a pain with their shitty DRM, no doubt, and they are pretty much useless since they bother the paying customer and hackers don't care.
That said it is true that piracy is rampant on PC, I used to pirate games like crazy when I was younger but now I buy everything (new so devs get at least a bit of $).
It's just not great value to release games on PC when they appear for free 3 days before release... Not that DRM solves anything.
And I was actually talking with my best friend recently and said an MMO system could be a good thing.
When I buy games, most of the times, I don't give a crap about multiplayer and I'd gladly pay less to have just the Solo campaign.
On top of that keeping servers up costs money, as with seen with recent shutdowns for not-so-old games, so why not have the people would want to play those games online for a long time pay something like $5/month to help keeping the servers up?
Just brainstorming here but do you think this would all be outrageous and a ripoff to consumers?
Ubisoft has been a pain with their shitty DRM, no doubt, and they are pretty much useless since they bother the paying customer and hackers don't care.
That said it is true that piracy is rampant on PC, I used to pirate games like crazy when I was younger but now I buy everything (new so devs get at least a bit of $).
It's just not great value to release games on PC when they appear for free 3 days before release... Not that DRM solves anything.
And I was actually talking with my best friend recently and said an MMO system could be a good thing.
When I buy games, most of the times, I don't give a crap about multiplayer and I'd gladly pay less to have just the Solo campaign.
On top of that keeping servers up costs money, as with seen with recent shutdowns for not-so-old games, so why not have the people would want to play those games online for a long time pay something like $5/month to help keeping the servers up?
Just brainstorming here but do you think this would all be outrageous and a ripoff to consumers?
Article: we need to provide better value to consumers while making piracy worse off. Response: unconditional hate. Oh internet you so crazy
@Volty: Ahhhh thanks!
@themuad: too late, you get no cookie!
@occams: have I told you I love you lately?
@themuad: too late, you get no cookie!
@occams: have I told you I love you lately?
Hm I don't really interpret his comments the same way you do.
In any case no, don't stop making PC games! That would mean less games for a portion of gamers and I don't think that's a good thing.
In any case no, don't stop making PC games! That would mean less games for a portion of gamers and I don't think that's a good thing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zCtynCk-S0 - Meanwhile, GOG starts a new ad campaign specifically attacking DRM.
Ubisoft can kiss my pasty white ass. I haven't bought a Ubisoft game since they started this DRM shit, and I won't buy another one until they stop.
As a side note, how many of you want to bet that Microsoft will raise the price of games next generation.
@killias
I dug the very unsubtle jab at Steam there. Wonder how smart it is to attack the sacred cow of PC gaming though?
I dug the very unsubtle jab at Steam there. Wonder how smart it is to attack the sacred cow of PC gaming though?
@Occams: Ha! I really need to read that book, now. I've only just discovered the teen emo joys of "US indie" paperbacks. Apparently, this is a real genre, according to Waterstones. :S
As for Ubisoft, there's no real limit to what's owed, right? So, what was all this guff in aid of?!
As for Ubisoft, there's no real limit to what's owed, right? So, what was all this guff in aid of?!
Well maybe if Ubisoft removes their anti-consumer DRM and stops SUCKING at developing/porting games to the PC .... I might maybe some day contemplate thinking about again becoming an Ubisoft customer.... until then expect me to happily not pay the piper or listen to the pipers horrendously out of tune attempt at music.
"I dug the very unsubtle jab at Steam there. Wonder how smart it is to attack the sacred cow of PC gaming though?"
haha, I don't think Steam minds. Honestly, PC gamers on PC gaming sites are as likely to attack Steam viciously as they are to praise it. It really is a crapshoot.
Personally, I love Steam, but I also love GoG/CDP.
haha, I don't think Steam minds. Honestly, PC gamers on PC gaming sites are as likely to attack Steam viciously as they are to praise it. It really is a crapshoot.
Personally, I love Steam, but I also love GoG/CDP.
Mind blowing. They still refuse to take any accountability for their lack of sales. The bottom line is if I have $60 to spend and it's between a Ubisoft product and ANYTHING ELSE... I'm going to spend it on anything else. Or save it for sandwiches.
@killias2 @Tristrix
A very stupid move, to be fair. Instead of making Witcher work better and using all the steamworks features, they pull EA and just play out attack a good service. I used and will continue using GOG for older single-player games. But making it look like they can even dream about competing with Steam? a very very stupid move.
A very stupid move, to be fair. Instead of making Witcher work better and using all the steamworks features, they pull EA and just play out attack a good service. I used and will continue using GOG for older single-player games. But making it look like they can even dream about competing with Steam? a very very stupid move.
Still haven't paid for an Ubisoft game since Splinter Cell Double Agent. I wanted Anno 2072 (might be the wrong year), but then I realized it's a PC game made by Ubisoft.
I believe that although a publisher/developer does have the right to protect their PC games from being stolen or pirated, they also have to not fuck the customer in their ass with intrusive drm that just makes playing the game a hassle.
Just put it on steam or another digital distributor, that's all the DRM you need. If it goes on sale, then more people will purchase it and then if it's good even more people will buy it due to word of mouth. People will pirate your game. It doesn't matter what DRM you have, pirates will break it and make it work.
I believe that although a publisher/developer does have the right to protect their PC games from being stolen or pirated, they also have to not fuck the customer in their ass with intrusive drm that just makes playing the game a hassle.
Just put it on steam or another digital distributor, that's all the DRM you need. If it goes on sale, then more people will purchase it and then if it's good even more people will buy it due to word of mouth. People will pirate your game. It doesn't matter what DRM you have, pirates will break it and make it work.
"A very stupid move, to be fair. "
Yes, I'm sure this one little joke about Steam will prove to be the undoing of GOG.
**rollseyes**
Yes, I'm sure this one little joke about Steam will prove to be the undoing of GOG.
**rollseyes**
@killias2
of course not, not the little jab at the service they can't compete with. Not the lack of jab at, you know, Ubisoft DRM which is the thing actually hated by pretty much everyone. most likely because GOG sells Ubisoft games, you know.
No, what can be GOG's undoing is the attitude. They already pulled a very VERY stupid "we're closing" stunt few years ago which alienated a lot of people. And now they're planning to sell new games and actually compete with Steam. No if they do, THAT can be their undoing. Simply because selling newer games might be not very profitable and they will lose money. They're not EA, who an pull Origin without worrying much. Or MS, who did GFWL. And i don't want them to fail, i love the service.
of course not, not the little jab at the service they can't compete with. Not the lack of jab at, you know, Ubisoft DRM which is the thing actually hated by pretty much everyone. most likely because GOG sells Ubisoft games, you know.
No, what can be GOG's undoing is the attitude. They already pulled a very VERY stupid "we're closing" stunt few years ago which alienated a lot of people. And now they're planning to sell new games and actually compete with Steam. No if they do, THAT can be their undoing. Simply because selling newer games might be not very profitable and they will lose money. They're not EA, who an pull Origin without worrying much. Or MS, who did GFWL. And i don't want them to fail, i love the service.
@Klarden: I don't see how trying to sell new games will go -badly- for them. It might not be profitable, but I can't imagine it'll lose them money. I mean, smaller outfits than CDP are in the digital distribution game. See: GreenManGaming, GamersGate, Impulse (which was sold because WoM was a failure, not because of anything with the platform itself), etc.
I wonder how much extra money they would have if they did not waste it on DRM that is hacked and defeated the same day of release.
@Phil
Hurray, i shall cancel the contract on your life then. You dont want a coked up Holmes chasing you down
Hurray, i shall cancel the contract on your life then. You dont want a coked up Holmes chasing you down
@killias2
getting games on your service isn't actually free, when you're talking about big publishers. Besides, i highly HIGHLY doubt they will get a lot of publishers to release the games on their service without actually adding drm. Smaller indie titles? ok, fine. I'll still get them on Steam, or, hell, Desura just because it's easier to do and manage it. But let them try.
besides, any failed attempt can hurt their reputation badly. and that's more important than just losing money for a long time service
getting games on your service isn't actually free, when you're talking about big publishers. Besides, i highly HIGHLY doubt they will get a lot of publishers to release the games on their service without actually adding drm. Smaller indie titles? ok, fine. I'll still get them on Steam, or, hell, Desura just because it's easier to do and manage it. But let them try.
besides, any failed attempt can hurt their reputation badly. and that's more important than just losing money for a long time service
"Or expecting pity in any way, when it consistently has shown nothing but contempt for its own consumer."
Oh look, more alarmist bullshit from Jim. SHOCKER.If you honestly believe what you stated you are an idiot. "Contempt" is sure as hell not what they feel towards the people who buy their games. Get real. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they do feel that for all the scum-sucking bottom-feeders who pirate their games, as well they should.
Oh look, more alarmist bullshit from Jim. SHOCKER.If you honestly believe what you stated you are an idiot. "Contempt" is sure as hell not what they feel towards the people who buy their games. Get real. Although I wouldn't be surprised if they do feel that for all the scum-sucking bottom-feeders who pirate their games, as well they should.
"getting games on your service isn't actually free, when you're talking about big publishers."
I can't imagine it would be terribly expensive. If it's expensive and the games don't sell, why would any of these little services offer big games? The truth is, besides GoG and Desura, all the little services offer big games. If what you're saying is true, then I have no idea how they're still alive. Instead, they seem to be going strong.. and proliferating. I mean.. when the hell did GreenManGaming emerge?
"besides, any failed attempt can hurt their reputation badly. and that's more important than just losing money for a long time service"
Honestly, you're really pushing here. This is just a minor note in a much larger symphony. CDP will live or die by the bigger decisions it makes, not whether it slightly insults Steam or decides to offer a few new games on GoG.
I can't imagine it would be terribly expensive. If it's expensive and the games don't sell, why would any of these little services offer big games? The truth is, besides GoG and Desura, all the little services offer big games. If what you're saying is true, then I have no idea how they're still alive. Instead, they seem to be going strong.. and proliferating. I mean.. when the hell did GreenManGaming emerge?
"besides, any failed attempt can hurt their reputation badly. and that's more important than just losing money for a long time service"
Honestly, you're really pushing here. This is just a minor note in a much larger symphony. CDP will live or die by the bigger decisions it makes, not whether it slightly insults Steam or decides to offer a few new games on GoG.
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