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I really don't care for Ubisoft games, and games that have Always-Online DRM.
So Ubisoft and other developers/publishers can suck it, they're not seeing any of my cash.
I'd rather get a game from gog.com where I know it has no DRM.
So Ubisoft and other developers/publishers can suck it, they're not seeing any of my cash.
I'd rather get a game from gog.com where I know it has no DRM.
I was never planning on buying this game to begin with just because it doesn't interest me all that much. But my some publishers' rationale, the money they aren't getting from me is the same as the money "lost" due to piracy.
Way to treat your legitimate customers like criminals while doing absolutely nothing to solve the problem. Piracy will always happen, and there is nothing you can do to prevent. The only appropriate course of action is to try and mitigate it by giving potential consumers incentive to buy. Treat gamers like decent human beings and you will be rewarded. Treat them like scum and cripple your games and nobody will care about how badly your game is pirated.
Way to treat your legitimate customers like criminals while doing absolutely nothing to solve the problem. Piracy will always happen, and there is nothing you can do to prevent. The only appropriate course of action is to try and mitigate it by giving potential consumers incentive to buy. Treat gamers like decent human beings and you will be rewarded. Treat them like scum and cripple your games and nobody will care about how badly your game is pirated.
If the demo is any indication, I'll be passing on this latest Driver short of a rental--I liked the way the cars handled in the original on PS1. This time they feel like boats.
If the demo is any indication, I'll be passing on this latest Driver short of a rental--I liked the way the cars handled in the original on PS1. This time they feel like boats.
If the demo is any indication, I'll be passing on this latest Driver short of a rental--I liked the way the cars handled in the original on PS1. This time they feel like boats.
If the demo is any indication, I'll be passing on this latest Driver short of a rental--I liked the way the cars handled in the original on PS1. This time they feel like boats.
The people to thank for "Always On" DRM are the MMO players. It's proof that gamers (even those that are against "Always On" DRM) will gladly have an always on connection for hours upon hours in order to play a single game online.
He doesn't defend 'always on' DRM - he defends a publishers right to protect their investment from piracy and second hand sales. Quite a difference.
Note: I'm not a fan of this kind of DRM - just noting that you're putting words in his mouth. Consumers have a right to spend their money where they see fit.
Note: I'm not a fan of this kind of DRM - just noting that you're putting words in his mouth. Consumers have a right to spend their money where they see fit.
I blame gamestop for the entire selling used games fiasco, they really should be giving a cut to the developers as they pay pennies to resell a game at near or at full price to a new customer. Developers should see the lions share of that.
As foor DRM, Steam has the right idea, and they should provide more of a service and less of a burden to the consumer.
As foor DRM, Steam has the right idea, and they should provide more of a service and less of a burden to the consumer.
Didn't Ubisoft try this shit years ago and failed miserably? People just are flat out not going to buy the game. And you can't blame it solely on piracy. Games still sell incredibly well, even if they have high rates of piracy(The Witcher 2 comes to mind). Fuck your asshole Ubisoft.
I'd be all for that if their something of choice wasn't screwing over their PAYING customers. Its almost like they replaced the unappology of "I'm sorry your stupid" with "I'm sorry your all thieves"
As for Rentals ..... I'm rather certain that rental copies in most cases have a contract attached to them so the developers are seeing extra revenue from them. Mind you not the actual rental revenue but an additional cost in the procurement (Buying rental copies costs more) of that rental copy by the renter. Not unlike blueray and DVD rentals. I can't speak for Mom & Pop stores but last time I checke the chain rental stores were paying more to procure their DVD/Bluerays than retail and I assume the same was true for their games.
Also if people are waiting to rent your game or buying it Used (ZOMGWTFBBQ WORSE THAN PIRACY)..... your problem is probably two fold.
A) Your game isn't all that and a bag of chips, try harder next time slacker.
B) Your game is too damn expensive out of the gate.... hows about you Duuuuurrrrrrrrrrrr think about lowering the price point and selling Huuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrr More copies at launch? No, I guess your right you couldn't possibly make more money by volume of sales (especially if the reason they are waiting is more A) that your game sucks)
As for Rentals ..... I'm rather certain that rental copies in most cases have a contract attached to them so the developers are seeing extra revenue from them. Mind you not the actual rental revenue but an additional cost in the procurement (Buying rental copies costs more) of that rental copy by the renter. Not unlike blueray and DVD rentals. I can't speak for Mom & Pop stores but last time I checke the chain rental stores were paying more to procure their DVD/Bluerays than retail and I assume the same was true for their games.
Also if people are waiting to rent your game or buying it Used (ZOMGWTFBBQ WORSE THAN PIRACY)..... your problem is probably two fold.
A) Your game isn't all that and a bag of chips, try harder next time slacker.
B) Your game is too damn expensive out of the gate.... hows about you Duuuuurrrrrrrrrrrr think about lowering the price point and selling Huuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrrrr More copies at launch? No, I guess your right you couldn't possibly make more money by volume of sales (especially if the reason they are waiting is more A) that your game sucks)
If devs don't want gamers buy second hand games, then they should make sure first hand gamers don't want to sell them in the first place. A game lasting for six hours for sixty bucks is aiming for being sold again, so cry me a river, Mr. Pub Lisher McGreed.
so how do people without internet feel about this? oh wait, we will never know.
seriously, internet connections to play games is the dumbest thing ever. you just alienated all the gamers who might not have internet who may have liked your game and would have bought it, now they cant because they cant play it.
seriously, internet connections to play games is the dumbest thing ever. you just alienated all the gamers who might not have internet who may have liked your game and would have bought it, now they cant because they cant play it.
New day, new game, same old mindless "reasons" for being idiots. Why can't Ubisoft just fail and die already? They probably would have it weren't for all those goddamn casual Wii and DS titles that must've had insane profit margins. That market's drying up though, so hopefully they'll just go away soon.
This doesn't need to be said, but a system that penalizes legit buyers in the name of anti-piracy--and pirates completely avoid Ubi's bullshit--is hilarious.
I'll buy it used...realize its a shit game, and return it for a refund.
Will you let me do that if I buy it new Ubisoft?
Will you let me do that if I buy it new Ubisoft?
Gotta love how companies always blame piracy, even when it isn't the issue.
Game doesn't sell well on PC but does fair on consoles? Couldn't be the DRM or the shoddy port job, or bugs or the 60$ price tag that never really caught on for PC (go look at steam, most new titles are 49.99 with only a few exceptions, usually from Activision.) it MUST be piracy
Piracy cutting into profits on a game that has still been considered profitable and more than recouped costs? Don't continue to support the game by releasing additional free content that would require pirates to put in even more work (typically pirate groups rarely release additional cracks for titles with free updates, PAID DLC usually gets cracks released ironically.) Nope instead screw over the customers who DID buy the game by never patching out bugs and making the next game have harsh DRM.
Publishers are stupid. Rather than try and reach more people and make better products and thus make more money, they'd rather try and make more money by squeezing the customers they have already for every dime ensuring a short term profit and very very very little brand loyalty. (Ask anyone if they would buy the next Valve/Mojang/Tell Tale/ect published game without knowing anything about it. Chances are you'll have FAR more people who will say "Yes" or "Yeah probably" than you would if you asked the same question about Bethesda(Most people say I'll wait for GOTY), Activision, EA, Ubisoft, ect you'd find some but I bet the % would be far lower. Because their brand loyalty is far lower.)
Game doesn't sell well on PC but does fair on consoles? Couldn't be the DRM or the shoddy port job, or bugs or the 60$ price tag that never really caught on for PC (go look at steam, most new titles are 49.99 with only a few exceptions, usually from Activision.) it MUST be piracy
Piracy cutting into profits on a game that has still been considered profitable and more than recouped costs? Don't continue to support the game by releasing additional free content that would require pirates to put in even more work (typically pirate groups rarely release additional cracks for titles with free updates, PAID DLC usually gets cracks released ironically.) Nope instead screw over the customers who DID buy the game by never patching out bugs and making the next game have harsh DRM.
Publishers are stupid. Rather than try and reach more people and make better products and thus make more money, they'd rather try and make more money by squeezing the customers they have already for every dime ensuring a short term profit and very very very little brand loyalty. (Ask anyone if they would buy the next Valve/Mojang/Tell Tale/ect published game without knowing anything about it. Chances are you'll have FAR more people who will say "Yes" or "Yeah probably" than you would if you asked the same question about Bethesda(Most people say I'll wait for GOTY), Activision, EA, Ubisoft, ect you'd find some but I bet the % would be far lower. Because their brand loyalty is far lower.)
Ubisoft must figure that if they just keep putting in this DRM eventually people will stop complaining because they can't be bothered.
This is the reason I haven't bought a Ubisoft game in years.
"It's just, simply, PC piracy is at the most incredible rates."
What a crock of shit.
A. Tell Valve this and they will laugh in your faces.
B. You know who doesn't have to deal with the DRM? Pirates less than a week after the game releases.
"It's just, simply, PC piracy is at the most incredible rates."
What a crock of shit.
A. Tell Valve this and they will laugh in your faces.
B. You know who doesn't have to deal with the DRM? Pirates less than a week after the game releases.
You mean Ubisoft is out of touch with reality and has no idea how to treat their customers? This is groundbreaking
WOOOOOWWWWW, Like Jim pointed out, he made a specific point about the publisher not being able to cash in on "second-hand usage"? Seriously?!
I've also never worked at a rental store, but I always assumed that their games cost them some amount of money. Are we supposed to believe that every rental copy of a game everywhere was distributed free of cost by the developer of the game?
Hey Edmonson, how much profit is enough, you jackass? As if it's not a detriment enough that your game appeals only to a certain percentage of gamers, NOW you're driving away (pun not intended) even more prospective customers with your BS DRM and comments.
Ubisoft is another company I like less and less as time goes by.
I've also never worked at a rental store, but I always assumed that their games cost them some amount of money. Are we supposed to believe that every rental copy of a game everywhere was distributed free of cost by the developer of the game?
Hey Edmonson, how much profit is enough, you jackass? As if it's not a detriment enough that your game appeals only to a certain percentage of gamers, NOW you're driving away (pun not intended) even more prospective customers with your BS DRM and comments.
Ubisoft is another company I like less and less as time goes by.
Actually I always forget how much money Ubiosofts DRM has saved me, for instance From Dust. I would have been all over that game if it hadn't been for the DRM. Once the DRM was announced I lost all interest in the game.
By the time the DRM had been slated to be removed the reviews were already out and the game was proclaimed a bungling crapfest of a port for the PC. Which extended my disinterest in the game far past the removal of the crap DRM.
So thank you Ubisoft, your DRM saved me money on what would have been a Pre-Order.
By the time the DRM had been slated to be removed the reviews were already out and the game was proclaimed a bungling crapfest of a port for the PC. Which extended my disinterest in the game far past the removal of the crap DRM.
So thank you Ubisoft, your DRM saved me money on what would have been a Pre-Order.
@Commandant Oreo
A fallacy. DRM is a form of control. It would exist in one form or another so long as someone stands to profit from controlling the way people get their games. Many forms of DRM (especially those that force players to go online, be it temporarily or permanently) could be used to counter used sales.
A fallacy. DRM is a form of control. It would exist in one form or another so long as someone stands to profit from controlling the way people get their games. Many forms of DRM (especially those that force players to go online, be it temporarily or permanently) could be used to counter used sales.
Ok, let's get this out of the way: you big publishers were nickling and diming us long before the recession hit so I'd shut up about not getting a single dime when your CEOs and your shareholders have more money then god while you, the developer, don't get much of a raise. Believe it or not, there are people out there who want to support you guys but just don't' have the sufficient funds to buy your premium prices, especially at a time like this. Maybe throwing them a bone that doesn't involve making your game half of a paper weight is a good start, don't you think?
As for the DRM...we really need some investigation that, once and for all, puts on the cold hard facts on how much damage it's actually done to the industry rather then assuming what factors contribute to it beyond the possibility of the person being a dick.
As for the DRM...we really need some investigation that, once and for all, puts on the cold hard facts on how much damage it's actually done to the industry rather then assuming what factors contribute to it beyond the possibility of the person being a dick.
May i also point out that Blizzard do always online drm for all their games now?
But always onle drm is so disgusting, why you ask? Its because your not buying a game, your buying the right to play a game they own and at any point they can deem that you cant play it.
But always onle drm is so disgusting, why you ask? Its because your not buying a game, your buying the right to play a game they own and at any point they can deem that you cant play it.
Well I'm not going to say "Down with Ubisoft!!!" because I do love the assassin creed games. But I do love used games and non-stupid DRM.
CONFLICTED!
CONFLICTED!
It's unfair because the DRM hits the people who actually paid money for it, and people who pirate the game usually get none of it. Publishers do and say stuff like this but it never stops piracy, on the day From Dust was released you could already find cracks and patches for it to pirate the game. It's ridiculous.
You're all forgetting that Ubisoft's DRM actually works. It did hold off cracks for assassin's creed for almost a month after release, thus encouranging people to just buy the game instead of waiting for a crack to come out. The first weeks after release are critical for publishers.
Online pass can suck it. They make that same $10 releasing DLC content that should have been in the game already.
The whole industry is a load of wank these days.
The whole industry is a load of wank these days.
When I sold my car to a guy, the manufacturer saw absolutely nothing of it. Injustice!
Online passes and one-time-use DLC codes reduce the value of a used game, and provide a chance for the publisher to make some money from secondhand buyers. I wonder what's stopping them from disabling resale *entirely*, though: why not put the entire game behind a one-time use key?
Online passes and one-time-use DLC codes reduce the value of a used game, and provide a chance for the publisher to make some money from secondhand buyers. I wonder what's stopping them from disabling resale *entirely*, though: why not put the entire game behind a one-time use key?
Shame, all that money and it's still an awful, awful game. The DRM just finishes off the cake.
Sorry Ubi, even if it was the greatest game of all time, I wouldn't buy it with always online DRM.
Sorry Ubi, even if it was the greatest game of all time, I wouldn't buy it with always online DRM.
@putz
It works...for a month. What about all the other legitimate customers who have to put up with it forever, or until Ubisoft gets a power outage at its authentication servers, or gets attacked (as it did initially), or goes under?
Is it worth it? And can players trust that Ubisoft will patch that requirement out if it DOES go under? One doubts that a publisher going bankrupt or selling its IP has the time or inclination to make life easy for its customers.
Ubisoft has actually benefited from piracy at some points, such as when problems with Rainbow Six Vegas' DRM were "solved" by Ubisoft's pirating No-CD cracks to use in their patches.
It works...for a month. What about all the other legitimate customers who have to put up with it forever, or until Ubisoft gets a power outage at its authentication servers, or gets attacked (as it did initially), or goes under?
Is it worth it? And can players trust that Ubisoft will patch that requirement out if it DOES go under? One doubts that a publisher going bankrupt or selling its IP has the time or inclination to make life easy for its customers.
Ubisoft has actually benefited from piracy at some points, such as when problems with Rainbow Six Vegas' DRM were "solved" by Ubisoft's pirating No-CD cracks to use in their patches.
@putz: I'm sorry this is the most polite way I can say this, you're a goddamn moron if you actually believe that.
@Josh Tolentino I'm totally against this DRM thing, I'm just pointing out that it worked once.
@Spaz I don't "believe" that, it happened. You can't deny it.
@Spaz I don't "believe" that, it happened. You can't deny it.
And the reason why people would rather wait for the second hand market is because gamers don't want to pay $60 for a mediocre game. Either lower your prices, or make better games (or preferably, a combination of the two).
As for DRM, I thought it was common knowledge that does not work to prevent piracy.
As for DRM, I thought it was common knowledge that does not work to prevent piracy.
How is games different from other stuff I buy? They don't get any money when people buy used? Boo frickin' hoo. Of course they don't, they're not supposed to, the person selling the used copy is the one who is supposed to get paid.
I hate the "USED" sale = no money for me boo hoo crap.
What about CARS, TV'S, PHONE....etc
Wheres their frigging cut?
What about CARS, TV'S, PHONE....etc
Wheres their frigging cut?
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