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I also like that the game is doing well, but I wish it wouldn't be exploited by Capcom to death later on.
I wish the DLC situation would change for the better everywhere, as I refuse to get most "add-on" DLC.
I wish the DLC situation would change for the better everywhere, as I refuse to get most "add-on" DLC.
Awesome. A new IP that was actually successful enough to stick around. I was disappointed with the whole mess around the KoA: Reckoning devs, so I guess this will have to fill it's place as the new big RPG franchise.
I didn't "get" Dragon's Dogma it just felt like they were trying to do another Monster hunter spin-off like Lost Planet but also try to pander to the dull, traditional fantasy settings which western gamers apparently find compelling...
And in 3 years they'll reboot it and have Treyarch make Dragons Dogma, on account of the game not having enough western appeal.
Fantastic! I've been playing the shit out of this game since it released and greatly enjoying it. I haven't felt any need to buy any of the DLC, but I would buy a legitimate expansion if they deign to do so.
I do share concerns that Capcom will run this into the ground. However, here's hoping they treat the IP with judicious restraint and release a sequel that fixes all the problems with the first....
I do share concerns that Capcom will run this into the ground. However, here's hoping they treat the IP with judicious restraint and release a sequel that fixes all the problems with the first....
If they're going to continue to push DLC, I'll continue to wait for a Gold Edition. Sounds like a fun game, and the wait isn't going to lessen any enjoyment I'd get out of it.
Some sandy vaginas here. Personally, I'm happy that the game did well. I really enjoyed the open world of Dragon's Dogma and the combat was a lot of fun. Would love to see them fix some of the travel issues for the second game.
Deserved, it's a great game. It's thrilling to play! When you get ambushed at night by one of the games bigger creatures/monsters the fight they put up is incredible.
Love this game and seeing the news on the Capcom site made my week. For me, a lot of the flaws were side-effects of the great ideas, such as the pawns' constant nattering being due to the way in which they learn information about the world, quests and monsters. Games like Beyond Good and Evil have sidekicks who constantly spew out the same 4 lines for the whole game and for no other reason than sidekicks have to have shitty catchphrases, right? But no one ever calls out Beyond for that.
The open world, limited fast-travel thing is actually a GOOD thing. Remember when RPGs weren't just level select maps with isolated locations? True, Bioware have been doing that shit since BG but at least the areas actually linked up geographically, unlike in Dragon Age. FFX did it eventually, when you got the airship, but then FFX-2 did it off the bat, as do games like Skyrim (again, granted the locations are at least in an open world, but it may as well just be the map as a level select screen after a point). There's something seriously amiss in the concept or execution of open world settings if it's considered a grievous crime to limit the player's ability to bypass the open world.
The open world, limited fast-travel thing is actually a GOOD thing. Remember when RPGs weren't just level select maps with isolated locations? True, Bioware have been doing that shit since BG but at least the areas actually linked up geographically, unlike in Dragon Age. FFX did it eventually, when you got the airship, but then FFX-2 did it off the bat, as do games like Skyrim (again, granted the locations are at least in an open world, but it may as well just be the map as a level select screen after a point). There's something seriously amiss in the concept or execution of open world settings if it's considered a grievous crime to limit the player's ability to bypass the open world.
Excellent! I'm still looking to pick this one up at some point, but I'm happy it's done well. Also, agreed with Arttemis, a "gold edition" with all the DLC seems pretty plausible. Might be worth the wait.
Teclo: I found the lack of fast travel super obnoxious until I'd managed to amass a small fortune in ferry stones, and now in NG+ I have a lot of port crystals, which eases the pain. But I think it's not even so much that there isn't fast travel but that you have to travel the same paths over and over and fight the same monsters over and over, in the same exact spots every time. It does wear.
I don't mind the pawns, though.
I don't mind the pawns, though.
molamolacolacake: I agree, it would've been nice to mix up the enemies that are found around, as well as to actually put things like horses and carriages in. I mean, it does seem a little odd that everyone in this world walks everywhere on foot. But the limitation of fast travel, and the fact it's a luxury rather than the standard, really makes the world feel vast and real to me.
It's a pleasure being able to teleport across it, as it would be in real life if I could teleport from England to, say, New York, rather than the standard way of travel that you take for granted. Think of how it used to be really exciting and liberating to get the vehicles in Final Fantasy games; it was so awesome getting Highwind because now the world is your oyster having just trekked all across it on foot. But then, FF games don't tend to make you repeatedly backtrack across the whole planet either... So yeah, vehicles of some sort are needed.
It's a pleasure being able to teleport across it, as it would be in real life if I could teleport from England to, say, New York, rather than the standard way of travel that you take for granted. Think of how it used to be really exciting and liberating to get the vehicles in Final Fantasy games; it was so awesome getting Highwind because now the world is your oyster having just trekked all across it on foot. But then, FF games don't tend to make you repeatedly backtrack across the whole planet either... So yeah, vehicles of some sort are needed.
@Occams - Oh, I don't know, I'd just like it if gamers grew a spine and spoke with thier wallets rather than encourage and embrace bad business practices.
I strongly believe that side quests are not things you set aside for sale and if your game has that planned at the start I will not be buying that game new, if at all.
Capcom had the opportunity to show me it could compete with Dark Souls or Skyrim and it chose to whore on disc DLC by the truckload. It's as bad as how Bioware did it with DA:O and ME3. Worse actually, as it's just as shameless but more commonly reminds you it exists.
Want my money for DLC? Give me some free DLC upfront with no strings attached. A show of good faith, if you will. Then, take your time with the paid stuff and make it good like, say, Dawnguard or GTA IV's expansions.
I don't think it's too much to ask that if you want to create more content for me to buy, you first prove the base game is a complete experience. Dragon's Dogma does not do this.
I know when New Super Mario Bros. 2 hits in two months that it should have a princess kidnapping and eight world to traverse in her rescue that that's very much a SMB game, just as a game that gives me 400+ hour of content in an open world certainly a full Elder Scrolls entry.
If I got a New Super Mario game with four worlds, well, me and Nintendo are gonna have some problems. If TES became a 20 hour RPG with hundreds of hours of content for sale, again, problems.
There is no sandy vagina here just someone sticking to principle and who is disappointed gamers will not make a stand. Capcom doesn't deserve wins right now, they need to be humbled and brought to thier knees.
I strongly believe that side quests are not things you set aside for sale and if your game has that planned at the start I will not be buying that game new, if at all.
Capcom had the opportunity to show me it could compete with Dark Souls or Skyrim and it chose to whore on disc DLC by the truckload. It's as bad as how Bioware did it with DA:O and ME3. Worse actually, as it's just as shameless but more commonly reminds you it exists.
Want my money for DLC? Give me some free DLC upfront with no strings attached. A show of good faith, if you will. Then, take your time with the paid stuff and make it good like, say, Dawnguard or GTA IV's expansions.
I don't think it's too much to ask that if you want to create more content for me to buy, you first prove the base game is a complete experience. Dragon's Dogma does not do this.
I know when New Super Mario Bros. 2 hits in two months that it should have a princess kidnapping and eight world to traverse in her rescue that that's very much a SMB game, just as a game that gives me 400+ hour of content in an open world certainly a full Elder Scrolls entry.
If I got a New Super Mario game with four worlds, well, me and Nintendo are gonna have some problems. If TES became a 20 hour RPG with hundreds of hours of content for sale, again, problems.
There is no sandy vagina here just someone sticking to principle and who is disappointed gamers will not make a stand. Capcom doesn't deserve wins right now, they need to be humbled and brought to thier knees.
@The Silent Protagonist Well, you work on bringing them to their knees. I'll just get excited for a sequel to Dragon's Dogma. Maybe we can meet in the middle.
Haha good job at rifling silents feathets occams.
There is way more than enough content in dragons dogma silent. Ive put so many hours into the game without buying dlc. This game is worth supporting but i dont think the dlc is.
There is way more than enough content in dragons dogma silent. Ive put so many hours into the game without buying dlc. This game is worth supporting but i dont think the dlc is.
So fast forward three years down the line.....
Super Turbo Dragons Dogma Vs Skyrim
Complete with on the disk DLC that they will swear isn't there until someone goes through and proves it is. But us missing the sound files and that will be used as justification. Also more incoming DLC than you can shake a stick at.
Fast forward another 10+ years
Dragons Dogma Legends 3
Will be highly anticipated and a paid demo will be touted to hold the future of the franchise. The paid demo will never see the light of day and DDL3 will never see the light of day.
....... oh Capcom you just make it too easy :P
Super Turbo Dragons Dogma Vs Skyrim
Complete with on the disk DLC that they will swear isn't there until someone goes through and proves it is. But us missing the sound files and that will be used as justification. Also more incoming DLC than you can shake a stick at.
Fast forward another 10+ years
Dragons Dogma Legends 3
Will be highly anticipated and a paid demo will be touted to hold the future of the franchise. The paid demo will never see the light of day and DDL3 will never see the light of day.
....... oh Capcom you just make it too easy :P
Can they replace Makoto Ikehara with someone else for the sequel so that he can write up another Breath of Fire?
Teclo: I actually did grow to really enjoy the lack of fast travel, even before I secured port crystals, but more variation and some horses or something would have been cool. Or capture and tame a Griffen or chimera or something to cart you around!
I do remember how exciting it was to get airships and stuff in the old Final fantasy games. That makes me nostalgic!
One thing I would really like to see changed in future iterations is the affinity system. I'd like someway to get rid of clingy townspeople without punching them and going to jail.
@TSP: I actually shared your concerns on that, but I'm about 90 hours in to the game and I have felt absolutely no need to purchase DLC to make the game feel complete. I mean, Im on NG+ and still am finding new stuff to do. The extra stuff is truly just extra. I bean even looked a the DLC list.
I do remember how exciting it was to get airships and stuff in the old Final fantasy games. That makes me nostalgic!
One thing I would really like to see changed in future iterations is the affinity system. I'd like someway to get rid of clingy townspeople without punching them and going to jail.
@TSP: I actually shared your concerns on that, but I'm about 90 hours in to the game and I have felt absolutely no need to purchase DLC to make the game feel complete. I mean, Im on NG+ and still am finding new stuff to do. The extra stuff is truly just extra. I bean even looked a the DLC list.
@TSP: The game definitely feels like a complete experience to me. After beating it, I felt no need to purchase any DLC, because I didn't feel there was anything lacking. More sidequests and weapons? There are more than enough of those in the game already.
This is good to hear. I'm expecting this game to become a sleeper/cult hit like Demon's Souls if not more (since the game doesn't have the brutalizing difficulty even though it's still challenging).
I can't even be bothered with being irritated at the DLC since much of it is for superfluous stuff you don't even need, not with the DLC weapons, or the DLC quests. The game is already pretty content heavy that you can ignore the rest of that stuff.
Still I have to say despite being on the fence with this game it's my game of the year already. It's like every cool thing from every game in the last ten years rolled into one. The big demand I have for a sequel is online multiplayer. Do that and this will be the greatest game ever.
Also I liked all the Berserk references.
I can't even be bothered with being irritated at the DLC since much of it is for superfluous stuff you don't even need, not with the DLC weapons, or the DLC quests. The game is already pretty content heavy that you can ignore the rest of that stuff.
Still I have to say despite being on the fence with this game it's my game of the year already. It's like every cool thing from every game in the last ten years rolled into one. The big demand I have for a sequel is online multiplayer. Do that and this will be the greatest game ever.
Also I liked all the Berserk references.
Sandy vaginas... That reminds me of one of my favourite tricks: The Angry Seal.
Sounds like there are a lot of vaginas in here who got Angry Seal'd.
Sounds like there are a lot of vaginas in here who got Angry Seal'd.
I wonder how much in debt they are and how many million units this new franchise needs to be milked for before anyone gets money?
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't KoA sell something like 3 million and then wound up with the studio being unable to pay a bill of 75 MILLION?
Also, I really don't get or enjoy DD in the slightest, but ho hum.
Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't KoA sell something like 3 million and then wound up with the studio being unable to pay a bill of 75 MILLION?
Also, I really don't get or enjoy DD in the slightest, but ho hum.
I would also like to add the fact that you bring nsmb or skyrim into your point makes you a fucking hypocrite. Dragons dogma has a shitload of content. You make yourself come off as righteous but youre just a hypocrite. You arent some voice to gaming your just a whiny little bitch.
@Teclo - I hear what you're saying, but disagree.
What I remember is enourmous open worlds that weren't littered with towns, but were actually relatively barren with the odd nook, but you know what they had?
Airships, submarines and Gold Chocobos, that's what. Turning the game into a level select map is no fun, travelling around a world properly is awesome, but making it an obnoxious pain in the ass/obscenely expensive to do so is horrible design, period. Especially when this problem was solved 20 odd years ago.
What I remember is enourmous open worlds that weren't littered with towns, but were actually relatively barren with the odd nook, but you know what they had?
Airships, submarines and Gold Chocobos, that's what. Turning the game into a level select map is no fun, travelling around a world properly is awesome, but making it an obnoxious pain in the ass/obscenely expensive to do so is horrible design, period. Especially when this problem was solved 20 odd years ago.
I'm not interested in the semantics of "it feels complete." I do not care how many hours you've personally poured into it.
The on-disc DLC is an upfront admission that it is NOT complete and that they cared more about monetizing the game than addressing its weaknesses during development.
@Occams - it's hard to bring the giants to thier knees when people like you are part of the problem. Do you not want Capcom to shape up? Rewarding them only tells them they made the right choice and tells me nothing will change.
The on-disc DLC is an upfront admission that it is NOT complete and that they cared more about monetizing the game than addressing its weaknesses during development.
@Occams - it's hard to bring the giants to thier knees when people like you are part of the problem. Do you not want Capcom to shape up? Rewarding them only tells them they made the right choice and tells me nothing will change.
@Silent - You know who really gives a shit about making complete games that are quality, rather then making something that can sell? Indie teams, Valve and Bethesda.
Every other gaming company in the world only cares about the most bang for their buck. So if you don't want to support anyone whose intention is purely to make money, you're kinda cutting off your feet to spite your hands.
Every other gaming company in the world only cares about the most bang for their buck. So if you don't want to support anyone whose intention is purely to make money, you're kinda cutting off your feet to spite your hands.
@The Silent Protagonist I enjoyed the game. That's where it begins and ends with me. Its as simple as that in my waking world. I think there's enough room to have a neat game like Dragon's Dogma succeed and for Capcom to clean up their act.
@TSP: Well, all I'm saying is, Dragon's Dogma was the first game where I was really worried that the DLC was going to ruin the experience for me, and it turned out not to be a big deal in the slightest. So rather than worry about stuff like that, I'm just going to have fun with the games I can get from now on.
@Alan
Every game has its own cup. If MW3 sells a million, it is a flop, because you're expecting multi-millions.
If Dragon's Dogma was onyl expected to put up (for example) No More Hero like numbers, then most certainly, 1 million is a win!
That said, I too would like to see a Mirror's Edge franchise explosion.
Every game has its own cup. If MW3 sells a million, it is a flop, because you're expecting multi-millions.
If Dragon's Dogma was onyl expected to put up (for example) No More Hero like numbers, then most certainly, 1 million is a win!
That said, I too would like to see a Mirror's Edge franchise explosion.
Why do people get so mad at Capcom doing on-disc DLC but don't mind things like Nintendo releasing Pokemon games in pairs, each one incomplete? Don't give me that "it encourages trading" bullshit, people don't JUST trade in the Pokemon not on their cart so people would still trade if Nintendo actually released full games.
And the mockery of the "Ultimate edition" thing when Nintendo essentially do that with every Pokemon, all the updates, ports and re-releases of their hundreds of Zelda and Marios, and do it by releasing a number of near identical "New" Super Mario Bros games in a small space of time. Seriously, a lot of gamers are starting to remind me of a 16-year-old trying to be political by moaning about what they think sounds cool to moan about without actually thinking anything through.
And the mockery of the "Ultimate edition" thing when Nintendo essentially do that with every Pokemon, all the updates, ports and re-releases of their hundreds of Zelda and Marios, and do it by releasing a number of near identical "New" Super Mario Bros games in a small space of time. Seriously, a lot of gamers are starting to remind me of a 16-year-old trying to be political by moaning about what they think sounds cool to moan about without actually thinking anything through.
TSP: this is an argument I have struggled with. I want to support creative new IPs and the devs that create then, but at the same time not support shitty business practices. How does one accomplish both of these things? The best compromise I can come up with is that when the issue is shady DLC, I will buy the game but not the DLC. That's the best way I can think of to say, "Capcom, this game is awesome and you should do more like this, but I want naught to do with your DLC shenanigans." Additionally, for my own purposes, if the DLC doesn't seem as if it was carved out of the game, or otherwise affect the game, I'm not likely to be bothered, but I understand many like you are.
I respect your commitment to your own principles, however, I'm not sure how effective it is in the long run.
I respect your commitment to your own principles, however, I'm not sure how effective it is in the long run.
@Tubatic
I know, my comment was a barb at EA for being a bunch of feckless halfwits who need every game to sell millions over millions.
I know, my comment was a barb at EA for being a bunch of feckless halfwits who need every game to sell millions over millions.
The DLC for this is obscene, 10(planned, 6 are out so far I think) mission packs and multiple weapons and armor packs and of course in game currency purchases.
I would however like to see a sequel with a bigger game and more polished gameplay.
I would however like to see a sequel with a bigger game and more polished gameplay.
Ah, yes, "fun."
See,there are different modalities of fun. Fun for me is playing and exploring a game without my immersion being broken by DLC prompts.
I would like to play the game without being reminded it is a product every now and then. I don't want it coming up in my towns or camps or even after the credits roll and the epilogue is done.
If I want more content advertised to me that is what the Internet is for. II you want to convince me you game is a complete product, do not toss in-game ads in my face.
See,there are different modalities of fun. Fun for me is playing and exploring a game without my immersion being broken by DLC prompts.
I would like to play the game without being reminded it is a product every now and then. I don't want it coming up in my towns or camps or even after the credits roll and the epilogue is done.
If I want more content advertised to me that is what the Internet is for. II you want to convince me you game is a complete product, do not toss in-game ads in my face.
I really want to play this but I haven't been able to find a used copy in the wild yet.
Lucky for me I have a lot of patience.
Lucky for me I have a lot of patience.
the sequel better have online co-op, or no buy from me.
they got a pass from me because this is the first game, but not again.
they got a pass from me because this is the first game, but not again.
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