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Dragon Age II: The PC Experience photo

To understate it somewhat, Dragon Age: Origins was a fine piece of work. After years of development, Bioware came up the game that older players had been clamoring for since the beginning of the '00s: A spiritual successor to the Baldur's Gate series.

Though BioWare had made other great RPGs since Baldur's Gate, the likes of Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, and Mass Effect did not quite rub sweet spot that screamed "Baldur's Gate!". And nine years later, Dragon Age: Origins came along, scratching that itch at long last. It was very much an "old-school" PC RPG, with all the rewarding complexities (and nitpicks) that implies.

When BioWare announced that consoles would be the lead platform for Dragon Age II, it promised that the sequel would be "streamlining" out many of Origins' perceived frustrations and the awkwardness of its console interface.

PC gamers were (justifiably) concerned. Would we pay as much as console players ($10 more than the average for PC, not counting the cost of DLC) for a game we couldn't sell back, only to have a lazy port that asked us to "Press Start" at the opening screen? And if we complained about it, would we then get mocked and told that we're lucky to have anything at all because our platform is "dead" and we're all probably pirates anyway?

Put plain, how does Dragon Age II play on PC? That's the question I'm here to answer.

[PLEASE NOTE: This is NOT the Destructoid official review! Joseph's writing that one, and it's coming soon! I won't be giving it a score or critiquing the story or anything like that. Rather, I'll just be giving you my impressions of the game as a person who tries to buy all his RPGs on the PC, if possible. Has the need for BioWare to make Dragon Age II a more enjoyable experience on the consoles compromised its ability to satisfy PC players? Are there huge differences between it and the console versions? I intend to address questions of that sort, ones that can't necessarily be answered by downloading the demo alone or reading a review that doesn't distinguish between platforms.]

Performance:

Perhaps the first question any PC player asks when a shiny new game is announced is "Can my rig run it?", often followed by "Is it on Steam?". The answer to the latter question is "Yes," and the answer to the former is "Well, it ran on mine, which is set up like so:"

I played on a system equipped with an Intel core i7 920 CPU, a Radeon HD 5850 graphics card (Catalyst drivers version 11.2), and 6GB of RAM, running the 64-bit version Windows 7. These days that's considered a mid-range PC, and the card can be had for less than $175 from some vendors. According to the game's Steam store page, I fall slightly ahead of the "Recommended" range of system specs. Not bad. I played at 1920x1080 resolution, also known as 1080p.

Dragon Age II allows for a good range of customization options. Gamma and brightness settings, anti-aliasing, texture filtering, and detail levels are all adjustable on the fly and don't require a restart to be applied. Support for DirectX 11 also allows for some fancy post-processing effects and better dynamic lighting.

As you can see above, I played with anti-aliasing turned off, as turning it on tended to slightly blur the interface text for me, and in some cases introduced some ugly black lines across the scenery:

Despite having no anti-aliasing turned on I found the aliased, "jaggy" edges largely unnoticeable, as the higher resolution tended to blend them in easily. Character models also seemed to have a very mild blur effect that smoothed out their jaggies during dialog scenes or when zoomed in:

Of course, none of this would be important if my gameplay experience chugged like a careless college student. Thankfully, it seems that Dragon Age II, for its visual upgrades over the original (among them having an actual art style), still manages to scale rather well. Being just a little better than the "Recommended" system specs proved enough to turn all the graphical details up to "Very High", equip the optional High-Resolution Texture Pack, and still manage just under 30 frames per second except in the largest-scale encounters.

That doesn't sound like a lot, but it's more than the average framerate of the console versions, and more than enough needed to play effectively without pausing (if that's your style). Framerate improved considerably during dialog and cinematic scenes. V-sync is also available, and I would recommend that you turn it on if you can, as screen tear was quite noticeable during combat sequences.

Speaking of the High-Resolution Texture Pack, see the side-by-side comparison below. The image on the left is the capture with High-Res Textures toggled on, and the image on the right has it toggled off. Though the pack description purports to affect primarily the environmental textures, the details on Carver's clothes and weapon are significantly sharper and more pronounced.

Interface:

The next most important concern to PC gamers would be to do with the interface. Dragon Age: Origins was definitely designed with a keyboard and mouse in mind. Combat was best managed from a more strategic viewpoint, frequently pausing the game and assigning orders. Y'know, Baldur's Gate-style.

Thankfully, Dragon Age II's UI was not changed much from Origins, though its appearance has been altered to look more transparent and minimalist. As before, powers are arranged in a World of Warcraft-like hotbar along the bottom of the screen, and can by triggered either by clicking or pressing an assigned number key. "Quick Heal" and "Quick Mana/Stamina" icons are also located in the corner of the screen, freeing up the need to assign health and mana/stamina potions to individual slots.

Given the significant difference in the UI, it is not surprising that Dragon Age II PC does not support gamepads.

The menus were also redesigned for easier mouse navigation, and took advantage of the larger amount of screen real estate available to PC players. For example, on the "Abilities" page of the character menu, all of the ability "trees" are visible on the screen. They zoom in once selected, rather than needing to be paged through one-by-one as on the console versions. This makes it easier to see just where points are allocated on a character in a single glance.

Inventory management is also much the same as in Origins, with players dragging equipment into appropriate slots onto characters' "paper doll" cutouts. Gone, sadly, is the ability to switch "weapon sets", which was a shame, as I manually had to reenter the inventory screen if I wished to switch from daggers to bows, or two-handed weapons to sword-and-shield.

One potentially significant issue I noticed, however, is that the interface does not scale to the screen resolution. While this significantly increases the amount of uncluttered screen space, it also can make text smaller and harder to read at high resolutions, or ability icons more difficult to distinguish from each other. As you may see from some of the menu screenshots in this very writeup, there's a lot of unused real estate on the menu screens.

The camera can be zoomed in and out, but not quite as far as before, and can no longer be detached from a character. As I did most of my movement manually, only using the mouse when I wanted to make party members move simultaneously, this wasn't much of an issue. Being unable to detach the camera proved a little more problematic, though. It made area-effect spells like fireballs and flask attacks more difficult to place for maximum effectiveness, and enemies behind or in the middle of crowds harder to target.

As ever, combat can be paused at any time by tapping the spacebar. This alleviated many of the camera angle issues, as I could take my time selecting targets. Further, I found a "pause-and-play" approach was preferable, as the quickened pace of combat often required that I execute multiple actions simultaneously, such as pulling the whole party together when another wave of enemies spawned into the combat area.

Perhaps the most striking difference between the platforms when it came to combat is the issuing of basic attack orders. On the PC players can simply select a character, mouse over a target, and right-click it to have a character auto-attack it until it dies.

By comparison console players have to mash the attack button for every strike. This lends a more "action-y" feel to the combat, but also demands a lot more mashing. I found the auto-attack more useful, as I could concentrate on positioning and juggling ability cooldowns.

Recent interviews and comments from BioWare staff suggest that the omission of auto-attack from the console versions of Dragon Age II was a bug, and the ability to order auto-attacks without having to use the radial menu will be patched in moving forward.

Regarding difficulty, players who liked playing with "friendly fire" set to on (in which area-effect spells also cause damage to allies) in Dragon Age: Origins may be disappointed to find that it is set to off at all difficulty settings except Nightmare, a setting whose other changes from Normal or even Hard might be found too extreme (particularly with regard to enemy health pools) by players who just would want a somewhat more "realistic" combat experience.

DRM:

DRM is always a thorny issue when it comes to PC games. More often than not it simply punishes paying consumers while not actually deterring pirates, the end result being that the thieves end up with the better, less frustrating game experience.

For the most part, Dragon Age II's DRM is fairly benign. The Steam version of the game merely requires that the Steam client be running to play. Contrary to some early reports, the retail version does not use SecuROM, but Sony Release Control, a simple system designed to prevent pre-launch piracy, which happens to be made by Sony DADC, which also makes SecuROM. Some common (but harmless) files share signatures with the much-maligned DRM solution, which set off alarm bells on DRM detector software. Now that the game is out in all regions, the point is utterly moot and players need not be concerned at all.

That said, both retail and digital versions of the game require a one-time online authentication before playing, which involves logging into an EA Account. As some recent incidents have shown, losing access to the one's EA account before getting a chance to authenticate the game can prevent players from playing at all.

DLC Implementation:

There's no way to put it lightly: Dragon Age II is up to its ears in Downloadable Content. DLC for ordering early, DLC for playing the Facebook game, DLC for playing Dead Space 2, DLC for ordering from certain places, DLC for playing the demo, and of course, DLC you have to pay for. It's a sad, tragic truth of the times, and in Dragon Age II's case, it's unavoidable.

Thankfully, it's not as awkwardly implemented as it has been in previous BioWare. You won't have to worry about seeing an NPC standing in your camp whose sole purpose is to encourage Hawke to buy some Premium Content, nor have the Cerberus Network freeze the main menu for fifteen seconds while it checks for new items.

Unlike the console versions, which use Xbox LIVE and the PlayStation Network to manage the purchase and installation of new content (assuming it isn't simply an unlock), Dragon Age II manages its DLC through the BioWare Social Site. Players can log in using their EA account details, and purchase "BioWare Points" to purchase DLC packs with. The DLC is then unlocked on the player's account and can be downloaded manually as a separate installer and run from the player's PC. Once installed, the player must log in with his or her EA account in-game to authenticate the content, at which point it is playable online or offline.

The fact that the DLC can be downloaded manually as a separate installer can actually make it more convenient than the console versions, since players can store the executables on their hard drives, for backup purposes or transfer to other installed computers.

One should be careful, though, to make sure that their BioWare Social Account uses the same email address as any other EA account that they use, and that any DLC they download is registered to the same account. Case-in-point, I need to sign in using a particular email address whenever I want to download/install DLC for any BioWare game (including Mass Effect 2 or Origins), lest some content be playable but other content disabled. This also goes for unlocks such as the Dead Space 2 promotional armor or the Facebook game tie-ins.


Modding/Customization Support:

A key draw for many PC games, and something that is more or less unique to the platform, is modding. The ability for players to tweak the games they bought to their hearts' delight or even generate entirely new content to fool around with is something outside the scope of the average console game.

Dragon Age: Origins was one such game, supported by a remarkably robust toolset. Mods ranged the whole spectrum, from cheat items to appearance mods that made everyone's giant, giant hands look more human-sized, and were easy to implement.

While BioWare has stated that it will not be releasing a separate toolset for Dragon Age II, it has raised the possibility of patching the existing Origins toolset for enhanced compatibility with Dragon Age II.

Even so, the Origins toolset seems robust enough for players to begin tweaking the game considerably. At the time of this writing several dozen mods for Dragon Age II are already online on sites such as Dragon Age Nexus, ranging from a savegame generator to create customized Origins saves for importing into Hawke's story to a mod that gives Isabela some goddamn pants. The latter was the first mod I downloaded.

Further, it seems that the developer console is also unlockable, allowing players to run functions that would otherwise not be possible through normal in-game actions. It takes a little bit of doing to enable, but once available many commands that were usable in Origins are also apparently compatible with its sequel, including the commands that artificially add money, items, and experience or attribute points.

As is the nature of modding and command consoles, players can screw around with their game experience at their own risk.

For my part, I found the developer console invaluable while playing Origins, as it allowed me to work around several potentially game-breaking situations that in some cases have yet to be fixed officially.

Conclusion:

Overall, many of the fears that Dragon Age II's new console focus would ruin the PC experience prove unfounded, at least from my perspective. Some camera niggles and the mechanical changes aside, I've been able to play Dragon Age II almost identically to the way I played Origins. Whether the lack of a dedicated toolset will limit the ambition or diversity of future mods may be concern for the future, but at the base level, Dragon Age II plays just fine on the PC.

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wasphone 's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:20
wasphone
It's still a pretty mediocre game.
DAVYDOCK's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:27
DAVYDOCK
Mediocre! Cmon. Ive played some pap in my days and this isnt one of 'em. Its not great but mediocre? Wise up.
Hasney's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:30
Hasney
Awesome. Might save my 5th playthrough on for the PC version once I upgrade my PC.

Killing the 360'version right now. Think I might melt the disc soon.
Travosaga's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:32
Travosaga
I loved the minimalist approach in the interface. Everything seemed streamlined. Even better was not having to sift through 10s of worthless spells just to get to one good one (mana clash comes to mind). I loved the game but I am confident this article is about to be spammed with hundreds of baulders gate elitists trashing it.
Zombievarning's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:32
Zombievarning
Well, your experience pretty much exactly matches my own playing this on the PC. I'm just hoping that they patch the toolset, as I modded my copy of Dragon Age:Origins probably past the point of it being healthy. Although I have a couple of small mods from the Nexus already.

But yeah, I found myself playing DA2 pretty much identically to how I played DA:O as well (Except that my dear Rogue Archer is insanely more powerful now).
ZeoX's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:33
ZeoX
Totally agree with this article. I didn't use the tactical overhead view from Origins so I didn't even notice it was gone here. The only thing I trully miss is the ability to equip a second weapon layout and to toggle it mid-fight. And I really dig the new combat system with all its frenetic action and gore galore. Anyway, DAII is not as "consolized" as many tro... erm, people point out.
Vhaius's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:33
Vhaius
Apparently mediocre is the new definition for enjoyable.
Arch649's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:38
Arch649
Good to know, I had the original on PC an liked the way that played.
Bobthecatlol's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:40
Bobthecatlol
Dragon Age fans save your money and do not buy this awful game. It's lost everythign that made Dragon Age fun, sorry but Josh is wrong the graphics are abysmal for a 2011 pc game even with the hi-res textures, the storyline is weak and you are stuck in one city for the entire game.

Thanks for nothing Bioware...
wasphone 's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:45
wasphone
@Davydock

No, it's well made but it is very very mediocre. Combat is a novelty and loses it's charm quick, dialogue is just bad, story isn't very interesting.

It's mediocre, and compared to DA:O it's pretty bad. Although, I do recognize the improvements it's made from DA:O.
JeanLuc761's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:45
JeanLuc761
@Bob
As someone who loves DA:O and loves DA2, I couldn't disagree more. Yeah, the graphics are no Crysis or even Mass Effect 2, but there wasn't a single occasion where they were unpleasant to look at. Character design is fantastic, animations are vastly improved, and texture detail is more than competent in most respects.

The strength of the storyline is debatable, but I found the story of Hawke to be utterly fascinating. The Arishok is easily one of the best antagonists I've seen in a game, and the "war" between mages and templar's was extremely compelling. I also enjoyed Hawke's compatriots, who were extremely well written and fleshed-out.

As for being stuck in one city...we've known this for months. I will fully agree that Bioware could have used an extra 6 months or so to add some more variety and size though.
Hasney's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:46
Hasney
Dragon Age fans go out and buy this game immediately. You may find your face hurting from grinning all the way through playing the game. The graphics are more than acceptable, the story is a more focused, person level one and you're in one big city the whole game which carries on that focus.

Thanks for everything Bioware!
Hellbender's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:46
Hellbender
great, informative article for us PC enthusiasts. keep 'em coming.
goodguy8705's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:46
goodguy8705
This is an average game at best.

If you wholeheartedly think this is a move forward graphically, you're out of your fucking mind.

The art direction is different sure, and some people prefer this style over the original's, but to say it's technically advanced beyond the original is laughable.
Blahblahblahblah's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:47
Blahblahblahblah
The Dragon Age 2 I played was pretty shitty. I'll probably never buy it.

This makes me iffy about Mass Effect 3, Bioware is getting sloppy.
bickle's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:48
bickle
Stating that is 'awful' is just hyperbole. By no stretch of the imagination could it be considered awful. It might not meet *your* expectations, or might not be the perfect game for *you*, but any impartial player can see that the game is a quality game.
Fraser Brown's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:49
Fraser Brown
I've found the PC version to be far better optimised than DA:O. I have a pretty out of date rig and could only use DX9, but the game still looked fantastic. It was very smooth both in terms of how it ran and how it looked.

Overall the entire game has been a blast. While I liked Origins a lot I appreciate all the improvements in dialogue, aesthetics and smoother gameplay in DA2 and I really like how the game is more character driven and less about saving the world which is a trope I'm a bit tired of.

I'm pretty surprised how polarising the game has been though, I simply don't understand why people actually miss the shallow crafting of Origins or swapping out their companions ugly gear for more ugly gear. It seems that for every genuine complaint like the lack of variety in the dungeons (which really does suck) there are 20 people complaining about not being able to put armour on their companions or getting all upset about not being able to travel all over the world so they can fight some big bad generic boss a la Origins.

Reading some of the user reviews on metacritic would make a gullible person believe this might be one of the worst RPGs in the last decade.
RichardBlaine's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:50
RichardBlaine
Interesting look at the technical aspects of the game and how it handles on PC. Interested to see Joseph's take on the actual content. Anyway, thanks for putting all of this info in one place.
Robert's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:51
Robert
Whine city over here. The game isn't as good as most other Bioware games but it's still pretty decent. 7.5/10, maybe 8/10. The way they decided to do the story makes a lot more sense once you finish.

It seems like a ton of side questing, but nearly every quest relates to the main plot. The main issues just don't involve an Archdemon this time around.
PhilK3nS3bb3n's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:51
PhilK3nS3bb3n
Yes, while it may not be revolutionary, it's still a good game. Glad to see it plays well on pc, you pc folks deserve it.
Hasney's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:53
Hasney
Still hoping that ending plays out as DA3 and some short DLC though. That would make me disown the game.
Epic-Kx's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:53
Epic-Kx
Idk. I might buy it on PC. Besides, I need something to cure my World of Minefortress 2 cycle :L
TheDirtyHeadband's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:54
TheDirtyHeadband
It may not be an emotionally moving piece of art like most people seem to think that video games are supposed to be. but it looks pretty damn fun, and i seriously think thats all that matters.
brod's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 18:55
brod
Nice article.
~JnRx Teh Jokester~'s Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:01
~JnRx Teh Jokester~
BUT BUT O_O There is no NUMBER :O I NEED NUMBERS DAMMIT >:( lolz

@TheDirtyHeadband I couldn't have said it better myself the game is FUN and that's all that matters really :)
runtheplacered's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:08
runtheplacered
@goodguy8705,

"If you wholeheartedly think this is a move forward graphically, you're out of your fucking mind. "

Umm... why does it have to move forward graphically? Who even said it did? Are you positive you're not the one out of your mind?
Maxxthepenguin's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:10
Maxxthepenguin
Also, if you're on PC, play on hard. Normal requires no real tactical mind, but hard is paced pretty perfectly
Begaria's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:12
Begaria
You consider that PC mid-rang? If anything it's at the "low end" of the high ranged machines. There's only a hand full of (expensive) graphic cards released that are more powerful than a 5850 (which I also use) and 6 gigs of RAM is way more than enough for any game out there. The processor is still a quad core processor with...what? 2.66 GHZ per core? That's a pretty damn good machine.

I run a 3.4 ghz quad core with a 5850 and 4 gigs of ram and I get 30-50 FPS when running everything max and only 4x AA.
Begaria's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:15
Begaria
Pay, play it on Nightmare, not Hard. Nightmare is pretty damn fun, minus the ANOTHER WAVE aspect.
Ilostmycookie's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:19
Ilostmycookie
Thats nice. NOW WHERE IS MAH DA2 REVIEW. DERP DERP
goodguy8705's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:23
goodguy8705
@runtheplacered

I don't care what the game is graphically. The article claims that that game is visually upgraded beyond just having a different art style. That is false.
Zombievarning's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:27
Zombievarning
Also, and this is something I might very well get lynched for, but I thought that the story concept actually was more compelling this time over the Save the World scenario of the first game, as well as less Marathon Levels (on the other hand, the one thing that bothers me is the blatant recycling of environments)

*goes and hides*
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:27
Thane Vickers
Awesome game. I'm a little flustered with the very high settings onl being available with a DX11 card. But I love it nonetheless.
SirNinjaFace's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:40
SirNinjaFace
@JnRx Teh Jokester your avatar is incredible! I'm playing it on 360 and i'm having fun so far, and i didn't like Origins.
Fear No Darkness's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:42
Fear No Darkness
Was surprised how much grief I was given by PC gamers for playing DA:O on 360. "You're doing it wrong, how's the inferior version?" etc and I just shrugged my shoulders and enjoyed the shit out of DA:O and all of it's DLC. Now, I can't look at a DA2 article without a PC gamer complaining how bad 2 is. Well, I'm still enjoying the shit out it and can't wait to start another play through.
Karma's a bitch I guess.
Neroisonfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:43
Neroisonfire
Great review of the pc game. I'm a huge pc gamer and always choose it as my primary platform, and I would love to see more reviews like this that talk about optimization. I always just max out all settings so I would have never known to try and skip the AA
JohnGrisham's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:54
JohnGrisham
Why don't you guys just go back to multi-user reviews? Like the good ole' days?
~JnRx Teh Jokester~'s Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 19:56
~JnRx Teh Jokester~
BUT BUT O_O There is no NUMBER :O I NEED NUMBERS DAMMIT >:( lolz

@TheDirtyHeadband I couldn't have said it better myself the game is FUN and that's all that matters really :)
Motaz Turk's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 20:02
Motaz Turk
DA2 sucks!!! there is nothing in it i enjoyed!!!! its streamlined, stupid, childish, and totally gives the middle finger for the franchises fans!!
KingSoup's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 20:16
KingSoup
And so Bioware continues as the new religion, where anything they do is as good as chocolate covered bunnies pooping rainbows and their games are all things to all people. Even the mutually exclusive things. I'm sure we'll get an article in a day or two explaining how DA2 is also really the best FPS out there.

Most people who aren't that enthralled with it still say it's a decent game, if a 'B' effort by Bioware. I thought it was one of the better action-RPG's on the market, but would have been better suited with less 'Dragon Age: The Sequel' branding and instead been pushed as an adventure game within the DA universe. But holy jumpin' chocolate Jesus, are the Bioware fanatics absolutely set on insane in defending/hyping this game.


"Though BioWare had made other great RPGs since Baldur's Gate, the likes of Neverwinter Nights, Jade Empire, Knights of the Old Republic, and Mass Effect did not quite rub sweet spot that screamed "Baldur's Gate!". And nine years later, Dragon Age: Origins came along, scratching that itch at long last. It was very much an "old-school" PC RPG, with all the rewarding complexities (and nitpicks) that implies."

Really? I thought most of the 'hardcore' RPG crowd considered DA:O to be pretty stream-lined to begin with. In fact, most of the hype-battle around DA:O played out exactly like DA2. Bioware/fans sniffing that stream-lining was necessary, not everything can be Baldurs Gate, people just have to get used to a new thing, etc. This isn't a knock on DA:O, but it wasn't anywhere near as complex as Baldurs Gate. But now it's getting sold as some uber-deep throwback in order to burnish DA2's image.
3ofDiamonds's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 20:19
3ofDiamonds
For me, the lack of overhead killed DA2.
Chiurka's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 20:30
Chiurka
you people just dont get it why DA:O fans are raging on metacritic. its not because DA2 is bad, but because its a very disappointing game. things that they removed in DA2 like tedious inventory management, freedom to choose were to go, default defficulty being set on hard, free camera etc is what made it look so close to baldurs gate and what made me love the game. just like i hate fallout 3/new vegas because its missing the main thing that made me love fallout 1 and 2 -> turn based combat. just like i hate RE4 and RE5 because they have nothing in common with prior RE games and have more in common with gears of war. then a game has nothing that made you buy the previous one its a piece of shit game from your point of view and if even the next Fallout and or RE game will get perfect scores will not make me touch them as long as they do not return to things i loved about them.
RaelXX's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 20:39
RaelXX
I use the tactical overview all the time to place my char's fireballs. But with the friendly fire gone, it won't be missed.
SullyE's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 20:43
SullyE
Beat it Two days ago. I had an incredibly buggy experience compared to some, which is strange, because I never have buggy experiences. SPOILARS FOLLOW.

Buggy piece of poorly written shit. I hate the pointless, endless waves of slaughter. I hate the repeated areas. I hate the bugs. I hate the fact that every romance character is bisexual, not because of any sort of dislike for bisexuals, but for the fact that it does the characters little justice.

I hate the fact that my decisions don't matter at all. I hate the fact that the game's never aware of itself (for instance, when Aveline's in the room, a character may still say "please don't take me to the guard!" even when Aveline actually has a special line of dialog that only triggers in that conversation, or when I have tons of money, a quest still acts like I don't). I hate the fact that Merrill is a stupid bitch, and even though I took her magical knife away, the game says "fuck you, man," and proceeds to give it to her and let her finish her quest line.

I hate the fact that every single mage will fuck you over in the end, besides Bethany, who has spent the entire game hating you, ever since she asked you to take her to the deep roads (and you complied), and she became a Grey Warden.

I hate the fact that the only romance options are psychopathic mage, white-haired sasuke elf clone, walking STD farm, and idiotically immature blood mage. I hate the fact that you're forced to either hit on Anders or act like a homophobe. I liked how, with Zevran in the previous game, I could simply say "hey man, I don't swing that way," and he and I could still be friends.

Here, I'm the object of obsession for a guy who doesn't feel anything like his counterparts in the superb Awakening expansion for the previous game, and it's really disappointing. I liked Anders in the last game--I knew he was gay, but he wasn't turning Awakening into a dating sim, either. Here, much of the emphasis on the game is on romances.

I hate the fact that the city elves and other random NPCs have N64 faces (look at them some time!). I hate the fact that the outfits of the forced cameos in the game are all incredibly low quality (again, like N64 level).

I like few things about the game; one thing is the main plot, and that's simply because I'm not the SAVIOR OF THE WORLD (but then again, by the time the game ends, it's implied I'm the only one who can save it, along with the Warden). The politics in the game, between the Qunari, the Viscount, and the Templars is a good idea that goes horribly wrong in the third act. Every mage will screw you over in the end, but every Templar is a nazi, and you don't get to say "fuck everyone, I'm done with this shit; I try and try to save you, but you never listen!"

I also like the slightly more responsive combat experience, but that's marred by the fact that if I, say, hit a guy and he goes flying, then I have to retarget him every time. If I reach down to get a glass of water, my character won't have autotargeted the next guy and just stands there, in combat, stupidly. Speaking of people who stand there in combat, stupidly, this game, unlike its predecessor, just has NPCs stand there, unmoving, watching the combat.

Boss fights are cool. I enjoyed them, but the lack of tactical view makes AOE attacks poorly implemented. I guess I respect the fact that the PC version has similar, but somewhat improved combat on its predecessor, but for every improvement, the game takes a huge step backwards. Like Zeox pointed out, you can't easily switch weapon types mid-battle, meaning if you suddenly want a character to start being an archer, it doesn't work. Not that it matters, of course--the game's endlessly spawning waves of enemies tend to spawn right there in front of you, disrupting combat.

Don't believe me? Well, Rock Paper Shotgun's "first few hours" review is endemic of the whole game. It sucks. It really does.

I liked Divinity 2 more. I liked Risen more. I also felt entirely "meh" about both of those games. I went and beat two games (hell yeah Arkham Asylum and Darksiders!) just to wipe the shit that was Dragon Age 2 from my brain.

I have even more complaints, but I'm done for now.
Cynical Gamer's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 20:50
Cynical Gamer
The Dragon Age series has been the most generic and boring RPGs Bioware has made in recent history. They make more RPGs like Planescape.
pokota's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 20:56
pokota
Nice overview. I did not know that about the console versions having no auto-attack.

As a huge fan of DA:O, I'm loving DA2 almost as much. There are things that I miss from DA:O, certainly, but DA2 does fix a lot of the frustrations, and polishes things up nicely. Having females look like females is awesome, for one thing.

I was kind of pessimistic at first, when I heard about a lot of the changes, but after playing it, I'm quite pleased. Most of all, DA2 is fun and interesting, even if it doesn't follow the DA:O template exactly. Despite what some people say, it's entirely possible to love both games.
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 20:56
Naim Master
This much is true, it works, even if the HUD is horrid. The real gripe is that the whole game is pure shit. But I'm not going on a pages long rant about it. SullyE took the words right out of my mouth.
TrevHead's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 21:06
TrevHead
Bioware / EA can eat a dick if they expect me to fork out $10 above PC averages for a game they rushed though development. Sticks of greed to me as the reason PC games are cheaper is because theres no MS or Sony taking a cut from each title sold. Ill wait another 6 months to buy it when its cheap as chips.

The fact that theres no overhead camera (ala baulders gate) really grates me, so does the crappy interface scalling meaning ill need to run the game in a lower resolution (which looks shit on my 16:9 LCD)

Hopefully these issues will get fixed by bioware or mods by the time I get around to playing it. Such is the joys of been a late addopter of new games and tech :D
Doku's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 21:13
Doku
Newcomers to the series might find it interesting, but most of us who are fans of Baldurs Gate and the first Dragon Age see alot of flaws in this title. As others mentioned, the game has been very streamlined. It's missing the depht and the charm the previous title had and end up being a mediocre game in my opinion. It's really sad to see my favourite company Bioware taking this sloppy route of cash-ins with DA2 (they also did this with ME2) since the game had so much potential but ended up going nowhere.
Kanten's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/20/2011 21:25
Kanten
@TrevHead

Don't forget your $7 companion.
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