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And just like that, it instantly becomes one of my ten most anticipated games. I some people were put off by the changes in DA2, but I enjoyed it just as much as the first. Here's hoping that my male warrior from the first game and my female mage from the second will be hooking up and smacking around dragons together!!
I still have to play the first one. Is the content worth it to get the Ultimate Edition, or should I just go with the plain old original?
I'll be honest. When DA came out and I just could NOT get into it. Loved the story, setting, and everything but the combat system just did not do it for me. Then when I finally saw & actually played the revamped combat in DA2 I was totally hooked. Yeah, in many ways the first game was better but I'm hoping they find a middle ground in DA3. I can pass on many of the places looking the same if they made the game a little longer. Felt like I breezes through it, especially if one were to only really concentrate on the main story quests. Anyway, looking forward to DA3. :)
In before all the hate.
I trust Bioware. I think they will take the criticisms of the last game to heart. I hope you can create a fully customizable character again(race and such)
I trust Bioware. I think they will take the criticisms of the last game to heart. I hope you can create a fully customizable character again(race and such)
DA2 is the first BioWare game I've ever had any fun playing (still have to pick that up actually now that i'm thinking about it) so the more DA3 is like 2 the better.
Could be good again IF EA let's the spend more than 12 months on it and they listen to the common criticisms we had..
I'll wait to hear when it's expected to come out. If we get it in 2012, that's way too early and it will be a rushed piece of shit like DA2.
I was a big fan of Origins but Dragon Age 2 was such a disappointment that I am done with the series. Frankly, Bioware has raised serious doubts for its once renowned reputation what with its pandering to a more "casual" audience (read: dumbing down). ME3 will not be a day one purchase, I'll wait for the reviews cause I don't want to see that series spoiled.
DA1 - Good, only worth 1 play-through.
DA2 - Barely worth 1 play-through, had to force myself to the end.
DA3 - Not expecting the pattern to change.
DA2 - Barely worth 1 play-through, had to force myself to the end.
DA3 - Not expecting the pattern to change.
I love reading comments about Dragon Age games. No sarcasm, seriously, it's a lot of fun to see what people have to say about what appears to be one of the most polarizing series in recent memory.
Personally, I love them both, including the DA:O DLC, and the next sequel will be a pre-order. However, I freely admit to being a shameless Bioware fanboy. So there's that.
Personally, I love them both, including the DA:O DLC, and the next sequel will be a pre-order. However, I freely admit to being a shameless Bioware fanboy. So there's that.
suit is right. Bioware needs all of its staff to sit down and play through Witcher 2 to see how a real RPG is made. I really hate to say that because I will always love the Baldur's Gate series and Planescape Torment more than any other titles (save LucasArts adventures), but the Dragon Age series has a been a pretty big letdown for me so far. 1 was ok, but did not live up the the moniker of "Spiritual Successor to Baldur's Gate." 2 was utter dross imho. Let's hope they can improve for the 3rd, but Witcher 2 has set the bar unbelievably high for future RPGs. (Bethesda could do well to take notes as well.)
@ctrain,
get Ultimate Edition - depending on the version(console/PC) you will have to pay 15-20$ more, but you're getting atleast 30+ hours of additional story(Awakening alone is 18+ hour story). that's the only Dragon Age game you should get if you're looking for actual RPG game. if you want Dragon Age 2 then go play the demo cause that's basically the whole game.
after terrible Dragon Age 2 i don't give a damn about 3rd one. Origins was deep and amazing role playing experience. Dragon Age 2 was rushed, unfinished and dumbed down mess that could barelly called an RPG with one of the worst stories and characters i've seen in video game in years. i mean it made Fable 3 look like a good game and that's an acomplishment. it was basically The Final Fantasy 13 of western RPGs.
get Ultimate Edition - depending on the version(console/PC) you will have to pay 15-20$ more, but you're getting atleast 30+ hours of additional story(Awakening alone is 18+ hour story). that's the only Dragon Age game you should get if you're looking for actual RPG game. if you want Dragon Age 2 then go play the demo cause that's basically the whole game.
after terrible Dragon Age 2 i don't give a damn about 3rd one. Origins was deep and amazing role playing experience. Dragon Age 2 was rushed, unfinished and dumbed down mess that could barelly called an RPG with one of the worst stories and characters i've seen in video game in years. i mean it made Fable 3 look like a good game and that's an acomplishment. it was basically The Final Fantasy 13 of western RPGs.
@Stigmeyer:
No. They don't. If I wanted to play The Witcher, I'd just play The Witcher. DA and The Witcher bring different styles to the table, and that's a good thing. There's too much [insert new game] needs to be more like [insert new game]. If you want something like the old game...PLAY THE OLD GAME.
No. They don't. If I wanted to play The Witcher, I'd just play The Witcher. DA and The Witcher bring different styles to the table, and that's a good thing. There's too much [insert new game] needs to be more like [insert new game]. If you want something like the old game...PLAY THE OLD GAME.
I love DA2, but the corners cut to get it out so fast are glaringly obvious. Bioware dudes need to slow their roll for the next one.
haters gonna hate.
While I do agree that the game was a little broken, it was not broken more than many other games out there lately. Its not an excuse but I'll let one of my favorite developers slide a little when they are giving me fun game play with good story (and yeah, I did enjoy the story of the City of Kirkwall and her champion).
The only complaint i have was about the environments and I quickly got over that one because I was having so much fun slicing people to bits with my rogue. Maybe I'm crazy but I don't agree with what seems to be the consensus on Dtoid: I thought DA2 was way better than DA:O. The story was more cohesive. You could see the whole thing escalating to a showdown with the Templars. IN DA:O they really could have broken the game up into episodes and digitally distributed it. I felt the story in the first game was stilted and disjointed and only really came together after you got done helping selfish people so they would help you defend the greater good.
Anyway. I'm pretty durn excited about DA3 and I do hope they take a middle ground between origins and DA2. Lets get a more open world feeling. I'd like some more wide open spaces...even some respawning enemies. I don't like it when I run out of enemies to fight when the combat is so fun.
While I do agree that the game was a little broken, it was not broken more than many other games out there lately. Its not an excuse but I'll let one of my favorite developers slide a little when they are giving me fun game play with good story (and yeah, I did enjoy the story of the City of Kirkwall and her champion).
The only complaint i have was about the environments and I quickly got over that one because I was having so much fun slicing people to bits with my rogue. Maybe I'm crazy but I don't agree with what seems to be the consensus on Dtoid: I thought DA2 was way better than DA:O. The story was more cohesive. You could see the whole thing escalating to a showdown with the Templars. IN DA:O they really could have broken the game up into episodes and digitally distributed it. I felt the story in the first game was stilted and disjointed and only really came together after you got done helping selfish people so they would help you defend the greater good.
Anyway. I'm pretty durn excited about DA3 and I do hope they take a middle ground between origins and DA2. Lets get a more open world feeling. I'd like some more wide open spaces...even some respawning enemies. I don't like it when I run out of enemies to fight when the combat is so fun.
It's rare that sequels can undo a bad franchise but there is still hope that this can come out from under ME's shadow - if EA allow it. If this can ever right the wrongs of the first two, it needs:
1. More than 18 months of dev time. This is simply not enough for a genre that requires scale like an RPG. If EA want this franchise to continue, it'll need 24 months at least.
2. To look like a graphically up-to-date game. The bland, homogeneous and empty environment style of the late 90s/early 2000s PC RPGs is really not doing them any favours. How about some colours other than beige, grey and brown, eh?
3. To focus on creating a good game BEFORE any thoughts of extra monetizing and DLC exploitation come into it.
I truly believe that Bioware are a great group of studios and Baldur's Gate/Neverwinter Nights-style fantasy RPGs can still have commercial potential and relevance today. However, EA really need to let this one breathe or it'll suffer from the obvious rush-job traits and critical backlash of the last one.
After the shaky start of the first game, the second burnt a lot of bridges. I fear that should the third be anything like the first two, there will be no more bridges left to burn.
1. More than 18 months of dev time. This is simply not enough for a genre that requires scale like an RPG. If EA want this franchise to continue, it'll need 24 months at least.
2. To look like a graphically up-to-date game. The bland, homogeneous and empty environment style of the late 90s/early 2000s PC RPGs is really not doing them any favours. How about some colours other than beige, grey and brown, eh?
3. To focus on creating a good game BEFORE any thoughts of extra monetizing and DLC exploitation come into it.
I truly believe that Bioware are a great group of studios and Baldur's Gate/Neverwinter Nights-style fantasy RPGs can still have commercial potential and relevance today. However, EA really need to let this one breathe or it'll suffer from the obvious rush-job traits and critical backlash of the last one.
After the shaky start of the first game, the second burnt a lot of bridges. I fear that should the third be anything like the first two, there will be no more bridges left to burn.
If i get to play my warden in 3 i'll pick it up. and if the game isn't complete shit like the 2nd one.
No.1's world with no.2's combat and i will be happy.
Though i won't mind if they cut down on the promotions, dlc and random unlockable items from outside the game.
Though i won't mind if they cut down on the promotions, dlc and random unlockable items from outside the game.
No.1's world with no.2's combat and i will be happy.
Though i won't mind if they cut down on the promotions, dlc and random unlockable items from outside the game.
Though i won't mind if they cut down on the promotions, dlc and random unlockable items from outside the game.
No.1's world with no.2's combat and i will be happy.
Though i won't mind if they cut down on the promotions, dlc and random unlockable items from outside the game.
Though i won't mind if they cut down on the promotions, dlc and random unlockable items from outside the game.
DA2's recycled dungeons and absolutely horrible enemy AI have put me off the series. It will take a whole lot to make me buy DA3.
Sure, in some aspects the combat was improved, but almost every fight was just against wave after wave of cannon fodder grunts. The potential for depth was there, but the enemy design was so poor that it didn't matter.
That some people are happy to defend such lazy design just shows how low our standards have fallen.
Sure, in some aspects the combat was improved, but almost every fight was just against wave after wave of cannon fodder grunts. The potential for depth was there, but the enemy design was so poor that it didn't matter.
That some people are happy to defend such lazy design just shows how low our standards have fallen.
No one is going to change anyone's mind on whether or not they liked DA2, but I've played the first two and I'm sure is shit going to play the next.
@20 Sided Death
The hate is justified, if even the developer says it wants to mainstream so we can appease to the CoD crowd and that people should shut up and take the change like a man
No thanks, I wont expect much of DA3 anyway.
The hate is justified, if even the developer says it wants to mainstream so we can appease to the CoD crowd and that people should shut up and take the change like a man
No thanks, I wont expect much of DA3 anyway.
I cannot wait. I absolutely loved DA:O and DA2 both. They fixed a lot of the problems with DA:O when they developed DA2, so I'm hoping that trend continues.
I hear the usual "dumbing down" criticisms, and it still confuses me. The two games played pretty much exactly the same, except DA2 was tighter and quicker. Combat in DA2 was more about managing multiple targets as opposed to setting up and pulling as in DA:O, which could get monotonous. DA2 was only "easier" because the pre-set tactics were SO much improved, and most people really didn't even need to look at them for the first chapter. "HARD" should be the default for people who've played DA:O, anyway. Seriously, the enemy health ratios and abilities are very much the same as in DA:O, it's just that your base party is more ready to deal with them without doing really stupid things.
I admit that I whined a little myself when I started playing DA2. I complained that I couldn't put armor on my other characters until I realized that I never liked spending 20 minutes sorting armor in the base camp in the FIRST place, and I definitely like the idea that each character retains their individual and unique looks. A big flaw for me in DA:O was that the best armor for Morrigan might be Circle robes that cover her from head to toe, or that Wynne might end up in something sexy. Kind of stupid, really, and I often skipped the best armors just cause they were out of place. Managing weapons and accessories for those other characters is enough for me.
I also loved DA2's method of storytelling. Quests that did not advance the story no longer truly felt like "side quests", but more a part of my character's life. In the generic "save the world" format of DA:O, it felt kind of silly to be doing for-hire quests while I was supposed to be stopping the Darkspawn menace.
There were flaws, definitely, but nothing as pronounced as in DA:O, which was Bethesda level buggy. After three play-throughs, I only hit one major bug, and that was fixed by going back two saves. My major complaint was the environments, and that wasn't that big a deal for me. I just hope it's something they work on, but the same thing wouldn't stop me from buying DA3.
I officially cannot wait, especially since the ending of DA2 presented us with a world in a state of profound chaos. I think things are going to get very interesting.
I hear the usual "dumbing down" criticisms, and it still confuses me. The two games played pretty much exactly the same, except DA2 was tighter and quicker. Combat in DA2 was more about managing multiple targets as opposed to setting up and pulling as in DA:O, which could get monotonous. DA2 was only "easier" because the pre-set tactics were SO much improved, and most people really didn't even need to look at them for the first chapter. "HARD" should be the default for people who've played DA:O, anyway. Seriously, the enemy health ratios and abilities are very much the same as in DA:O, it's just that your base party is more ready to deal with them without doing really stupid things.
I admit that I whined a little myself when I started playing DA2. I complained that I couldn't put armor on my other characters until I realized that I never liked spending 20 minutes sorting armor in the base camp in the FIRST place, and I definitely like the idea that each character retains their individual and unique looks. A big flaw for me in DA:O was that the best armor for Morrigan might be Circle robes that cover her from head to toe, or that Wynne might end up in something sexy. Kind of stupid, really, and I often skipped the best armors just cause they were out of place. Managing weapons and accessories for those other characters is enough for me.
I also loved DA2's method of storytelling. Quests that did not advance the story no longer truly felt like "side quests", but more a part of my character's life. In the generic "save the world" format of DA:O, it felt kind of silly to be doing for-hire quests while I was supposed to be stopping the Darkspawn menace.
There were flaws, definitely, but nothing as pronounced as in DA:O, which was Bethesda level buggy. After three play-throughs, I only hit one major bug, and that was fixed by going back two saves. My major complaint was the environments, and that wasn't that big a deal for me. I just hope it's something they work on, but the same thing wouldn't stop me from buying DA3.
I officially cannot wait, especially since the ending of DA2 presented us with a world in a state of profound chaos. I think things are going to get very interesting.
As if I'd stop playing Skyrim to play more DA 2 type nonsense. Stick with space epics or Jade Empire Bioware.
As far as I'm concerned there is only one Dragon Age, and that's Origins. I respect that some people loved DAII, but I hated it :3 And now it feels like they're gonna screw it up even more, but one can hope.
Been playing DA:O again. For the 20th time. I still want to know why David Gaider can't be as cohesive in his writing as Drew/Mac. ME shifted writing leads and it STILL has less plot holes. Regardless, I'm ready to drop a preorder ASAP.
meh, the two RPG devs i still have faith in are CD Projekt and Piranha Bytes.
Bethesda are great too but i never finish their games for some reason. just my personal opinion
Bethesda are great too but i never finish their games for some reason. just my personal opinion
I just hope third time's the charm and they really hit the ball out the park with DA3, DA:O was a brilliant game, and DA2 felt quite the let-down, it felt dumbed down, rushed, lifeless, too much revisiting of the same damn areas, too much focus on "OOH LOOK AT OUR ART STYLE IT'S REALLY...ERR...UNIQUE!" and less "OOH LOOK AT OUR GAME GUYS IT'S BITCHIN'!", too much Derpwall and not enough Free Marches.
I just hope that they can actually get a nice balance between the first and second game, take the things that did work from 2 (to an extent the combat system and the animations), and most of the things from Origins (less giblets, more rewarding mutilation deaths, deeper roleplaying, characters you really gave a shit about, devtools, a more interesting story, NPCs that had their own unique line to say, more lively designed areas, more natural looking blood textures, TACTICAL/STRATEGIC THINKING REQUIRED!!!, oh and your own choice of race, and starting story.).
I just hope that they can actually get a nice balance between the first and second game, take the things that did work from 2 (to an extent the combat system and the animations), and most of the things from Origins (less giblets, more rewarding mutilation deaths, deeper roleplaying, characters you really gave a shit about, devtools, a more interesting story, NPCs that had their own unique line to say, more lively designed areas, more natural looking blood textures, TACTICAL/STRATEGIC THINKING REQUIRED!!!, oh and your own choice of race, and starting story.).
Let me guess, it's gonna come out in 2012, be as unpolished and rushed as DA2 but have the same publicity onslaught as DA2 did so it will sell well and review much better than it deserves? You won't fool me again, EA.
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