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They should be making the console versions more like the pc version. NOT the other way around. At least give us the option.
Thanks for addressing this. Other than the obligatory, "the game has been revealed" post, there hasn't been a single front-page story (that I've seen) concerning all of the changes to the franchise. I was pretty surprised to hear that your character doesn't carry over and that you can only play as a human in the sequel. I don't find that to be especially heart-breaking, but between those changes and the "alleged" console-ification of the game (camera, combat, etc), I was expecting a bit more coverage on those controversial design decisions. Anyway, nice to know that they're being mindful of their PC fanbase.
I thought PC gamers paid top dollar for a gaming system so they wouldn't have to play something exactly the same on the 360 or PS3. That really pisses me off. I game regularly on both the PC and the 360, but if I'm playing something on the PC I expect it to be superior. Damn EA.
@ Neroisonfire
Indeed. While I admit it might not work well on a console, I'd still much prefer having the OPTION to have similar camera features, among other things, to enjoy the game with.
Hell, PS3's HAVE USB ports. So it's not like you couldn't add in keyboard and mouse support, right?
Indeed. While I admit it might not work well on a console, I'd still much prefer having the OPTION to have similar camera features, among other things, to enjoy the game with.
Hell, PS3's HAVE USB ports. So it's not like you couldn't add in keyboard and mouse support, right?
Good. The pc players are like old people who don't contribute anything to society but want everything done their way. If your demographic can't support itself then you're going to have to get used to some console style changes. Maybe if these games weren't pirated into oblivion on the pc...
So its going the way of MW2 grand. Well I guess thats another game i'll be picking up in the bargain bin.
@Gaidenrider: Maybe its not the fact the first one was a pc RPG so you thought it sucked ass, but rather that you're a dumbass for no doing any research on a game you plan on buying?
@Gaidenrider: Maybe its not the fact the first one was a pc RPG so you thought it sucked ass, but rather that you're a dumbass for no doing any research on a game you plan on buying?
If they remove the isometric view, I may not even get this. If anything, the camera need to move out farther. It was a constant struggle to see the battlefield. They also need to add the ability to cue up more than one action.
Dragon Age Origins on the PC played differently on the PC because Bioware suited the usual mechanics we expect from PC RPGS from the past, but the console versions also played differently to suit it's platform too. Neither is superior, just a little different and honestly besides modding and better(?) graphics, everyone preferred it that way because it just worked for everyone.
Except its not easy making everyone happy when you have to send out a multi-platform title because developers wants everyone to get the same experience and cut down on time/costs, so this is worrying news to people like me who chose to enjoy the first game on the PC.
I just hope that they can pull their act together and try to achieve what they had done before, because if I'm going to play "exactly" what console users are getting, then I'd rather get the console version for ease, thus thats where the problem lies.
Except its not easy making everyone happy when you have to send out a multi-platform title because developers wants everyone to get the same experience and cut down on time/costs, so this is worrying news to people like me who chose to enjoy the first game on the PC.
I just hope that they can pull their act together and try to achieve what they had done before, because if I'm going to play "exactly" what console users are getting, then I'd rather get the console version for ease, thus thats where the problem lies.
@llort: nah most of us are in our 20s and 30s and don't like little kids in our video games to much :P.
Your save carries over to the next game, guy who made the second comment. It's just that it's a different character you play as. The choices you made will have an effect on the second game. I'd say exactly how it effects things but I can't remember exact details and my issue of GI is in the bathroom. Not getting up for that.
Well, I think I'll be skipping DA2. I bought the first for PC and 360. But everything they're doing, the Mass Effectization of it, new comicy art style, and now basically removing mods and with it support for the community, I just can't get on board. And I don't think for a second that they'd make a second toolset. That just doesn't make sense. Not pleased Bioware. Not pleased at all.
Well, I think I'll be skipping DA2. I bought the first for PC and 360. But everything they're doing, the Mass Effectization of it, new comicy art style, and now basically removing mods and with it support for the community, I just can't get on board. And I don't think for a second that they'd make a second toolset. That just doesn't make sense. Not pleased Bioware. Not pleased at all.
i needed the isometric view to correctly place spells. hello you cant always do it from 3rd person view if your firey tornado won't place in the right spot your attack will be worthless
@llort het we dont give anything like mods, Counterstrike, team fortress, 1942 star wars, we dont give shit also pc modders dont ever become game developers.
What empty said. A LOT was dumbed down for the console release to make up for the lack of a strategic camera.
This just went from the sequel to my second favorite game of all time to a rent.
This just went from the sequel to my second favorite game of all time to a rent.
They really need to be thinking in the other direction. Instead of making the PC version more like the consoles, they NEED!!!! to be making the console more like the PC version. Its unfathomable to me why they didn't include the zoomed-out camera. Its not like DA:O is a breath-takingly beautiful game pushing the consoles to their absolute limits. I'm sure they can find a way to optimize their game engine to be able to handle multiple view points. And they need a better interface for issuing commands to your followers.
DA:O is a wonderful game that could have been so much better. Though, I guess there might be people out there that wish it was more hack-n-slash actiony instead of tactical. But those people are wrong.
DA:O is a wonderful game that could have been so much better. Though, I guess there might be people out there that wish it was more hack-n-slash actiony instead of tactical. But those people are wrong.
It really saddens me to see that most of the people commenting here are utter morons. First of I'll say that I'm a PC gamer, and my Dragon Age installation is heavily modded.
To all the people nagging about the removal of the isometric view, did anyone read this "This means you can still maneuver the camera around the battlefield and issue orders from a remote location, just as you could in Origins."
Maybe it'll be a bit different. Maybe instead of isometric view, they'll call it bird's eye view or panoramic or whatever the f they want to call it. Does it really change anything?
They haven't even released the reveal trailer yet and you're complaining about the gameplay? I weep for the future of gaming.
To all the people nagging about the removal of the isometric view, did anyone read this "This means you can still maneuver the camera around the battlefield and issue orders from a remote location, just as you could in Origins."
Maybe it'll be a bit different. Maybe instead of isometric view, they'll call it bird's eye view or panoramic or whatever the f they want to call it. Does it really change anything?
They haven't even released the reveal trailer yet and you're complaining about the gameplay? I weep for the future of gaming.
@Metal
It's obvious that just like Mass Effect 2, they are going to "streamline" (ie remove) a lot of the RPG aspects of the game.
That would be fine if Dragon Age wasn't billed as a revival of what made Bioware remotely successful in the first place - Baldur's Gate old school RPG gameplay. It worked for Mass Effect because it was already pretty much a shooter first, RPG second with its cover system. Dragon Age is completely different, and I'm starting to really not like what it's going to become - a hack and slash.
It's obvious that just like Mass Effect 2, they are going to "streamline" (ie remove) a lot of the RPG aspects of the game.
That would be fine if Dragon Age wasn't billed as a revival of what made Bioware remotely successful in the first place - Baldur's Gate old school RPG gameplay. It worked for Mass Effect because it was already pretty much a shooter first, RPG second with its cover system. Dragon Age is completely different, and I'm starting to really not like what it's going to become - a hack and slash.
Bioware could, if it bothered, try to use the upcoming motion controllers so as to simulate a mouse-like interface. Hell, the Move is basically a gyromouse, and you could probably even get the Kinect to act like a mouse if you were clever. And no, I'm not saying DA:O needs a bunch of waggle nonsense, I'm just saying they don't need to rip out the PC-style interface just for the sake of the consoles.
You have the name wrong. Mike Laidlaw is from Bioware, MARK Laidlaw is the guy from Valve.
I was very concerned for a moment that Mark had jumped ship from Valve. That would have been terrible.
I was very concerned for a moment that Mark had jumped ship from Valve. That would have been terrible.
@EternalDeathSlayer
Yeah, I remember seeing that somewhere. I was specifically disappointed about the lack of character transfer, though. Again, I'm not throwing a fit over it or anything, but I was just kind of bummed that I won't be able to continue my first dude's story and I feel sympathy for those who had enjoyed playing other races besides human. How my actions in the first game will alter the Dwarven socio-economic structure in the second game isn't as interesting to me as the personal aspects of the story. Anyway, thanks for offering the clarification.
Yeah, I remember seeing that somewhere. I was specifically disappointed about the lack of character transfer, though. Again, I'm not throwing a fit over it or anything, but I was just kind of bummed that I won't be able to continue my first dude's story and I feel sympathy for those who had enjoyed playing other races besides human. How my actions in the first game will alter the Dwarven socio-economic structure in the second game isn't as interesting to me as the personal aspects of the story. Anyway, thanks for offering the clarification.
@Magnalon
"That would be fine if Dragon Age wasn't billed as a revival of...Baldur's Gate old school RPG gameplay."
This is exactly why I found all of this news surprising. I think a lot of people who didn't really enjoy or care about the first game are seeing a lot of the concern over the changes as people just bitching about nothing. All of the buzzwords they have used to describe the sequel seem to be an almost 180 from the experience they set out to design with the first game. Considering Dragon Age has been Bioware's most successful game to date, it just seems like an odd move to suddenly change things up. I think most people are willing to see what they do with it, but I agree with your concerns about the change in direction.
"That would be fine if Dragon Age wasn't billed as a revival of...Baldur's Gate old school RPG gameplay."
This is exactly why I found all of this news surprising. I think a lot of people who didn't really enjoy or care about the first game are seeing a lot of the concern over the changes as people just bitching about nothing. All of the buzzwords they have used to describe the sequel seem to be an almost 180 from the experience they set out to design with the first game. Considering Dragon Age has been Bioware's most successful game to date, it just seems like an odd move to suddenly change things up. I think most people are willing to see what they do with it, but I agree with your concerns about the change in direction.
@Richard
To me these responses read:
"Hack and Slash/Shooty simple games are in right now, so we're going to gut this franchise and popularize it".
Of course I'd be a fool to fault a developer for simplifying a franchise: a company's goal is to make money, plain and simple.
But, Dragon Age was the last bastion of "Baldur's Gate-ty" old school RPG gameplay. There are plenty of hack and slash/simplified RPGs out there.
To me these responses read:
"Hack and Slash/Shooty simple games are in right now, so we're going to gut this franchise and popularize it".
Of course I'd be a fool to fault a developer for simplifying a franchise: a company's goal is to make money, plain and simple.
But, Dragon Age was the last bastion of "Baldur's Gate-ty" old school RPG gameplay. There are plenty of hack and slash/simplified RPGs out there.
Dragon Age: Origins is the only Bioware game I have truly, unreservedly loved. Almost nothing I've heard about the sequel makes me even remotely excited for it.
But everyone knows its Bioware they cant screw up.Ha im tired of people using this line.Bioware is a good rpg company that makes good games but lately they are losing touch with there rots.Evolving a genre does not mean streamlining a game because new gamers have short attention spans.It seem to me with every new interview with bioware they disdain there old fan base.Bioware will only be happy when the old fans get fed up and move on.So far my interest is very low for this game.Just know in the end it will sell and we will be given more of there rpgs.
@Bigmoose85
Really? Modding isn't that important nothing amazing has happened in the modding community, and I'm normally a defender of modding. You don't need to act like a dick.
Really? Modding isn't that important nothing amazing has happened in the modding community, and I'm normally a defender of modding. You don't need to act like a dick.
@llort het,
"Good. The pc players are like old people who don't contribute anything to society but want everything done their way. If your demographic can't support itself then you're going to have to get used to some console style changes. Maybe if these games weren't pirated into oblivion on the pc..."
Man, this was incredibly stupid. Why did I have to read this? I really wouldn't know where to begin with this. Every single thing you said is wrong.. and some of the things you said are wrong for multiple reasons, even. What a train wreck of a comment.
"Good. The pc players are like old people who don't contribute anything to society but want everything done their way. If your demographic can't support itself then you're going to have to get used to some console style changes. Maybe if these games weren't pirated into oblivion on the pc..."
Man, this was incredibly stupid. Why did I have to read this? I really wouldn't know where to begin with this. Every single thing you said is wrong.. and some of the things you said are wrong for multiple reasons, even. What a train wreck of a comment.
I've been a loyal Bioware fan since Baldur's Gate. I like to zoom out. I hope it stays.
I'm beginning to get worried that Dragon Age is becoming Mass Effectified. Mass Effect 2 was a great game but in my eyes... BG was better.
I'm beginning to get worried that Dragon Age is becoming Mass Effectified. Mass Effect 2 was a great game but in my eyes... BG was better.
I don't see what the problem here is(PC Gamer, don't flame me without reading first!), I hated the isometric view since I found it more constraining than the normal view, and the normal paragraph concerning mod support is just plain false, they're not releasing a new toolset since the first toolset will work with DA2 once an update for it is released.
I used the tactical view a lot in combat, so this will be pretty annoying if not done right. I have a deeper fear that the game will be more about hack n' slash combat than tactics though, which might make the camera point moot.
Console-itis indeed.
Console-itis indeed.
Ah, good old gamers. Complaining and bitching well before an official trailer or much information has been released. Gamers take the fun out of gaming sometimes.
@Korolev and Thulsa Dooom etc
Nobody on here has said it's going to be the "worst thing ever" or that they're going to "boycott Bioware". People are allowed to voice their reasonable concerns based on the information that's been released. If we're not supposed to talk about it at all until it gets a full-length trailer, or even reviewed, why does Destructoid post articles about it? Just because you're not as invested in this particular issue, that does not give you any kind of special permission to condescend to everybody else in this thread.
Nobody on here has said it's going to be the "worst thing ever" or that they're going to "boycott Bioware". People are allowed to voice their reasonable concerns based on the information that's been released. If we're not supposed to talk about it at all until it gets a full-length trailer, or even reviewed, why does Destructoid post articles about it? Just because you're not as invested in this particular issue, that does not give you any kind of special permission to condescend to everybody else in this thread.
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