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Don't fear the Farmville

4:00 PM on 04.07.2010   |   Sean Carey

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Somewhere deep in the subterranean depths of the Farmville stronghold, a dark and forbidden ritual is taking place at this very moment. The game's creators, clad in jet black robes, stand in a circle in the server room, chanting gutturally in unison. The focus of their eldritch magicks is an obelisk of pure obsidian in the center of the room, pulsating with a menacing aura of madness and depravity.

With each seed planted, a small portion of the player's soul energy is siphoned off through the internet to the servers, and then channeled by the chanting into the obelisk. With millions of unwitting participants giving their precious life essence, the chanters share knowing glances; it won't be long before their task is complete.

Soon, the ancient artifact will reach critical mass, releasing its charge into the aether to tear an ever-widening hole in the very fabric of space and time. On the other side, the Old Ones await to reclaim their bloody dominion over this reality.

This is not speculation or a wild flight of fancy. This is fact. Or at least, it would be to me if the opinions of the "hardcore" gaming internet at large regarding social network games were the only reasoning I was exposed to. I haven't seen this much backlash against an isometric click-fest since Blizzard unveiled Diablo 3's kinder, gentler art style.

Too bad that 95% of what they complain about regarding Farmville is unfounded in reality. There is no threat. 

It's not just that people dislike the game; I can completely understand why most gaming enthusiasts wouldn't touch it. On top of that, however, there is an irrational fear that the success of Farmville, Mafia Wars, etc., somehow translates into a negative impact on console titles or game development as a whole.

Maybe it's the scale of the game's popularity that scares people. With over 80 million unique players, Farmville already touches over a full percent of the human population on Earth. The closest sized player base for a game, over 11 million (as of 2008) for WoW, is also a target of gamer derision; both WoW itself and those who play it are often lampooned or looked down upon by others. I guess some folks are just intimidated by size.

When it comes down to concrete rationale for the Facebook gaming hatred, most everything I hear is lacking in the logic category. I find the reversal of fortune to be wholly amusing, that the dearth of reason would come from those attacking social networking games. I had grown quite comfortable with it being the Facebook fanatics that rubbed me the wrong way.




Myth: Farmville hurts mainstream gaming sales.

After pointing out the obvious, that outside of "get-ahead" micro-transactions (which are optional) there is no cost to play the game, there are still those who insist that Farmville somehow damages console/PC game sales.

"Aha!", they exclaim. "But if someone is spending hours and hours playing Farmville for free, that means they aren't playing other games, which means they aren't buying other games."

From the friends and family I've spoken with who actually play the game, cost is not the issue. They don't play Farmville because they're looking to save a buck, they play it because it is accessible and convenient. It's extremely easy to learn to play, and it's enmeshed with an internet tool they're already using on a day to day basis. No muss, no fuss.

In short, the average person playing Farmville for hours on end wasn't going to hunt down a used copy of The Red Star, invest in FFXIII, or even look for Viva Pinata if the free option didn't exist. That's simply not the experience they're looking for. There are no sales lost in this scenario.




Myth: Farmville will cause mainstream developers to change tracks.

Proving the adage that a little knowledge is a dangerous thing, another argument that I hear asserts that developers and publishers will somehow be swayed from their current investment in AAA or indie games by Farmville's success.

Yes, companies are greedy, and will often glom on to whatever ideas are making the most money at the time. However, companies are also lazy and cheap, which means that if they're already making money doing what they're doing there is no reason for them to spend time, resources, and people power to move in such a radically different direction.

The skillsets employed in all facets of game development (art, programming, design, implementation, marketing) in mainstream games are radically different from those used to create browser-based games which succeed on a social networking platform. Creative types aren't going to drop all the languages and techniques that they built their careers on to go down this path when they're doing fine as is.

Games like Farmville are a parallel market to the titles most of us game-lovers cling to. There's no direct competition for game sales, human capital and talent, or even demographics.

As long as people continue to buy console/PC games (the numbers support the assertion that they will), this will be a complete non-issue. Bioware isn't going to divert resources from Mass Effect 3 in order to create the next great Facebook app, although I'm rather curious to know what Bejeweled would play like with dialogue trees and broad moral choices.




Myth: Farmville is the first step in the creation of a futuristic dystopia.

At this year's GDC, Chris Hecker's talk regarding achievements and subsequent commentaries posited that trends spurred by the success of games like Farmville have the potential to lead us to a future where our actions are influenced primarily by how we are artificially incentivized. Much homage was paid in this talk to Jesse Schell's soothsaying at DICE, hence the social networking connection.

The problem was well-stated when he mentioned that a reliance on external motivation or rewards for accomplishing a task has been proven to be less effective than allowing people to draw from their own intrinsic (internal) motivation. A world full of achievements and digital social status symbols would theoretically create a reliance on an inherently inferior form of motivation.

What concerns me here is not the diagnosis of the illness (which is fairly sound), but rather the cure. Removing achievements or working to discredit games like Farmville is a solution akin to banning violent games because some people mentioned GTA after killing someone. The real problem is that those individuals are mentally imbalanced or poorly raised.

Artificial external incentives like frequent flier miles, VIP memberships, and the like have existed for decades, and we haven't surrendered to Huxley's premonitions yet. Most of us already subjugate our will to a greater or lesser degree every day to procure extrinsic rewards. It's called a job. Personally, I'd be much more supportive of a movement to ban jobs entirely.

Killing Farmville doesn't fix the problem, and the responsibility for ensuring that the people who play games are free thinkers doesn't lie with the game makers. The more effective and life-affirming intrinsic motivation that drives real success and happiness comes from two things: a strong sense of self and the ability to think critically. These qualities won't be instilled in gamers simply by removing the extrinsic reward system.

Fostering a future that nurtures and harnesses the intrinsic form of motivation is in the hands of the education system, and more importantly, parents. They are the only institutions capable of preventing the Brave New World that Schell is concerned with. Games really aren't part of that equation.




Truth: Farmville is actually good for hardcore gaming.

A few months back, my sister-in-law came to stay with us for a few days. Much of the time that we were hanging out, she was on Facebook in general, or playing Farmville while we chatted. I would normally never consider doing it in an environment with my in-laws, as they just don't get into that stuff as a rule, but in this case I felt comfortable enough to fire up Bioshock 2 while she was playing.

As she played her game and watched my screen out of the corner of her eye, she found herself pleasantly surprised that the shooter genre had more to offer than just explosions and blood. She was fascinated by the art style, dialogue, and story. We discussed the merits of good console games and of Farmville.

It's not that she was going to go home and buy a console and start playing mainstream games any more than I was going to start planting crops online. It's rather that there was just enough overlap there for us to find some common ground. Repeat that scenario 80 million times and you have a world much more open to the benefits of our favorite pastime.

Hell, if even 1% of the people who play Farmville enjoy the simple resource management and planning elements enough to try a more complex RTS or a Civilization-style game, you'd have 800,000 potential core gamers to add to our ranks.

I, for one, welcome our new agricultural overlords.








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Shadowiii's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 16:09
Shadowiii
Fact: Farmville hurts my news feed.
TewDee's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 16:10
TewDee
Good writeup. It's nice to see a cool(er) headed perspective on it.
GoldenGamerXero's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 16:22
GoldenGamerXero
But something has changed! As gamers it's our God given right to ask for change then deny all the things we don't like about it!
Jon B's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 16:25
Jon B
Nice article, and it's strange to see someone with a more level-headed approach.
However the "changing tracks" thing I would disagree with. Hell, there was an article about how Mad World failed because of a casual audience on the Wii, and chances are people will go for this 80 million people pie. Probably isolated to web gaming, but when that's where the big bucks are for minimal effort, then what's the point going to other ventures? Activision's "get as much money no matter what" approach just shows how greedy companies are, and others will flock to that approach too.

But eh, I'm just rambling. Nice article.
F Whipple's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 16:47
F Whipple
I can't fear that which has been banned from my feed
Naim Master's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 16:48
Naim Master
CASUAL. Also, no to all.
Wexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 16:50
Wexx
Exactly. People always forget that it's a COMPLETELY different market.

And yeah, Jobs suck.

Great read :D
Drzog's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 16:56
Drzog
Speaking for myself at least, what annoys me more is people who assert that Facebook gaming is either an MMO killer or will change the face of MMOs, assertions that are heavily seeded in speculation.
Wavebird64's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 17:07
Wavebird64
Yeah, I don't play farmville, but I don't mind my brother playing it. Except when he hogs the comp and I can't play mah bioshock
Alakaiser's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 17:09
Alakaiser
Good read. I got a little long-winded with my reply so I just threw it into the blogging area. Glad to see this kind of thing get publicity, even if I don't necessarily agree with you 100%.
SWE3tMadness's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 17:18
SWE3tMadness
I hate Farmville because it's boring as hell to play. Nothing more, nothing less.

Never really believed all the RAEG about it hurting "hardcore" game sales and whatnot. If people want to play it, that's fine by me, but I personally don't see why it's so popular in the first place.
Drakengard's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 17:21
Drakengard
I'd say that part of my disdain for Farmville is that, at least for me and those older than me, we grew up when gaming was looked down upon.

Now you have 80 million people playing Farmville and essentially saying "Me too!" Sorry, but those people were the very same who thought gaming was stupid back when and it ultimately is that, yes, there is fear that gaming is going to change in the wrong way - in a way that those who embraced gaming when it was not the 'in thing' do not want - simply because the profits will be more there than here.

Call it paranoia if you want, but a business will go where the easy money. It's why there's a million FPS games now and it'll be why there's a giant influx of MMOs and eventually micro transaction games. Sorry if I'm not the least bit worried about the gaming that I've come to love.
mrcecilman's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 17:23
mrcecilman
i don't mind farmville itself, it's a unique game, which i respect, but the fact that 80 million people find online farming interesting makes me lose a bit of faith in humanity.

regardless, cool writeup here, guy. my mom would totally appreciate it.
VampireChrist's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 17:53
VampireChrist
lets see if this works....

i get bored..
oldskool's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 17:58
oldskool
Every time I see Farmville, I can't help but wonder "Where were all these farming sim fans when Harvest Moon's sales were in the dumper?"
Matt Welch's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 18:07
Matt Welch
I don't know enough about Farmville one way or another to comment, but haven't their been some shady things going on? I've read news reports about the people who created it ripping people off, so that's why I'm always cautious about it and have no desire to play it myself.
Drzog's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 18:07
Drzog
But Farmville doesn't require any money to actually play. One of the reasons I'm not convinced it's a model for a new era of gaming. How many of those 70+ million users actually spend money on Farmville and don't just screw around on it while at work or when talking to friends and family? The micro-transaction model certainly is viable, we've seen enough of that to make that determination I think, but I don't see how it directly competes with other games or with MMOs. I have a hard time believing people that are paying for WoW subscriptions right now or who play Modern Warfare 2 would be sufficiently appeased if their gaming needs entirely revolved around Farmville or Mafia Wars or any number of those pathetic copy and paste Zynga games on Facebook.
grafkhun's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 18:30
grafkhun
I suppose so; well stated Mr. Carey.
Tony Ponce's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 18:32
Tony Ponce
I haven't actually played FarmVille so I wouldn't know how similar the two games are, but has anyone heard of a little game called SimCity? You know, that toy where you ran a town, levied taxes, managed utilities, served as a transit authority? Remind me, did that kill gaming? In fact, didn't everyone actually like it?
Prince Ghidorah's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 18:39
Prince Ghidorah
I haven't played it. My menopausal auntie is way deep into it. If she had any sense she'd just play Harvest Moon or Animal Crossing instead.
Alakaiser's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 18:59
Alakaiser
@Drzog: More than enough for Zynga to make bank, apparently.
SpunkyLoveChild's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 19:02
SpunkyLoveChild
This article needs more cowbell.



Sorry. Had to.
The Pat Man's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 19:22
The Pat Man
Personally, I don't like Farmville because Harvest Moon spoiled me when it comes to farming simulators. It just doesn't feel the same or as fun. It kind of feels lifeless to me. I don't have anything against it. It's just personal preference.
Toiletfish's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 19:28
Toiletfish
Farmville is a shithole full of morons.
Falcatops's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 19:31
Falcatops
@Shadowiii:

Fact: download firefox. look for the greasemonkey add-on. then google for "facebook purity". all your news feeds problems solved.
Monodi's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 19:38
Monodi
i am actually tempted to play Farmville now.
Danl Haas's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 19:49
Danl Haas
Sean! Congrats on your first STAFFY FEATURE!! I've always been a big fan.

Great read. Very reassuring; all those other dudes you mentioned had be pretty worried.
Alakaiser's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 21:02
Alakaiser
Timing. Farmville gets a nod on tonight's South Park.
KorJax's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 21:03
KorJax
@oldskool

Well I'd say it's the fact that Farmville is free to play and as easy as starting up a web browser... but you do pay microtransactions to get more things. It's much more transparent than say, dropping $30-$40 and having to sit down at your console to play an equivalent casual experience.
Bluth Banana Stand's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 21:11
Bluth Banana Stand
Every time you feed someones chickens, somewhere, a real chicken falls down dead. (that's probably actually statistically true)
Hkun's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 21:16
Hkun
I agree with The Pat Man. Farmville doesn't do anything for me. I don't really hate it, but I'm just annoyed because of it. That, and those other online games which are so abundant on Facebook.

I never had any of those fears that were listed . . . TILL NOW.

But seriously, the last part seems like it was just tossed in there. Farmville has nothing to do with the fact that BioShock 2 attracted her attention. That's like saying "I was playing Uncharted 2 while she read a book . . ."
JDefined's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 21:27
JDefined
Fact: You can easily block FarmVille out of your Facebook feed. Just hold your mouse cursor somewhere over one of the bazillion FarmVille updates you get mixed up with your other updates, and a "Hide" button appears. Press it. Choose "Hide FarmVille". The nightmare is over.
Sean Carey's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 21:29
Sean Carey
@Hkun -- I agree with you, Farmville didn't cause her to appreciate Bioshock 2. What it did do, however, was provide a situation where I felt comfortable playing it around her, and we could talk about it. The game did the rest of the work.
jboking's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 21:51
jboking
I don't care for Farmville, but that's me. I will say the Truth section is just off logically. Farmville didn't make her observe the game, you could have loaded up and played Bioshock 2 while she was on the computer regardless.
JoeSetsFire's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/07/2010 23:37
JoeSetsFire
Worth the read. Thanks!

I think the major fear amongst these gamers who hate casual games and trends like Farmville are those who previously felt gaming was their 'thing' and that we hardcore 'own' it. The typical attitude that everybody who doesn't play 'hardcore' games are just kids, grannies and retards who play the Wii and Farmville is fair reflection of it. Anybody who thinks that somebody is less important than themselves as a consumer because they were there first has got some serious screws loose. Kinda like the indie kid who hates the band who got big...they're all fucking sellouts.

Complaining because people who once looked down on games and now play it is equally pointless. If you were feeling so hard done by when you were looked down on, you should be happy now that the tides have turned. With luck, no gamer will ever again have to suffer the misery we went through to liberate the industry we hold so dear. Think of yourself as a freedom fighter! A defender of all that is right! You took the bullet so that those who follow us can live a life where loving computer games will not lead to your windows being bricked in. I too remember the days when I could not get a seat on a bus because I had my Gameboy in hand...

You get where I'm going.
Airbr1dge's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2010 01:01
Airbr1dge
You know what. You have a point. The more non gamers that play farmville the less people dislike the gaming indestry. After all people don't dislike what they do in there free time right? Mabye this could be good for gaming culture.
Knight Templar's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2010 02:22
Knight Templar
Farmvill is evony on Facebook.
Ibutsu's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2010 06:14
Ibutsu
Famville, simply put, makes me depressed.
ruicraveirinha's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2010 08:55
ruicraveirinha
Great read, Sean, I thoroughly agree with you. I even have a similar experience with my girlfriend, as she played 'Farmville' in the same room as I played 'Heavy Rain'... which sprouted many debates ;)

However, there is one point that you didn't touch that I feel remains unadressed. Farmville may not "harm" mainstream video games as you say, but it may be the wrong way to bring over people over into 'our' medium.

Video games have been in a cultural ghetto ever since their inception. Until recently, one of the reasons for this state of affairs had precisely to do with a biased perception of society of what a video game is or can be like. The notion that video games are just toys for kids and adolescents was prevalent in most sects of non-gamer society. But the Wii and Farmville and other casual games and platforms have effectively narrowed down non-gamers to non-existent. Almost everybody plays some type of game today, do they not?

The thing is, a game like Farmville has aught to do with mainstream video games. We might even be as purile as to not even consider these games actual 'video games'. In the end, Farmville may be wasting an opportunity on telling people the expressive power of video games, by luring them into the medium while assuring them that video games still are cute toys that people can play and just have fun with. But they are much more than that, and instead of enriching our audiences, we may in fact be impoverishing them, and diminishing society's perceived cultural value of the medium. We're not luring non-gamers by placing high standards, by showing people that games can explore facets of human experience which no other medium can address, and instead we're luring everyone into video games with fun little apps that are addictive and entertaining, but little else. And that is why I think Farmville may be truly prejudicial to us.

Cheers!
TheDukeofNukem's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2010 10:36
TheDukeofNukem
Eat shit in hell shitty games, shitty grandma games, don't give a fuck what some block of text says fuck shitty fucking granda games
HarassmentPanda's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2010 11:06
HarassmentPanda
I liked the post, but I completely disagree with your assertion that there is no direct competition for human capital and talent. Programming and design skills are highly portable and if there is money to be made in social gaming (there is), large console and PC developers will certainly try to get a piece. That said, there should be little concern that console or PC gaming will actually suffer in the long run.
Sean Daisy's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2010 11:22
Sean Daisy
Interesting read, but I must counter your belief that publishers have no interest in social gaming if they are making money elsewhere.

EA's recent acquisition of social network service J2Play somewhat counters your assertion that publishers are too lazy or cheap not to take an interest in social gaming.

You're right that BioWare isn't going to divert resources from Mass Effect 3 in order to create the next great Facebook app. However, EA, the guys that fund BioWare, just might.

You forgot the one thing that diverts a money-making company; the potential for even more money.

I'm not saying it's the end of days though - we will always find the games we want as long as there are people with the same taste in gaming and the technical know-how. One thing the Wii has taught publishers though, is never bet against the pull of the mainstream.
Jackie Murray's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2010 12:20
Jackie Murray
You also have to take into account the tons of people who already are gamers that play Farmville. But, nonetheless, I shall welcome the younglings as well.
Kyle MacGregor's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/08/2010 12:43
Kyle MacGregor
I feel like this same concept applies to people who fear the Wii and Apple.
Teclo's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/10/2010 16:36
Teclo
I had never heard of Farmville until that South Park episode and now in this article. 99% of my friends definitely fit into the casual/non-gamer demographic so it's not like all my friends "too hardcore" for it either.

I'd guess the vast majority of this 80+ million users are American and that the vast majority of them merely have it installed in Facebook and don't actively play it any more.
Rogue Cheddar's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/12/2010 14:50
Rogue Cheddar
You are a smart man. I would argue that FarmVille even has a few things to teach gamers about current DLC models and hot player on player interaction.

Read: http://www.destructoid.com/blogs/Rogue+Cheddar/in-defense-of-farmville-170698.phtml
NotoriousBIG420's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/15/2010 16:54
NotoriousBIG420
I stopped playing a while ago. I made a Super Mario out of my hay bales and left it to rot!!
KrazyKraut's Avatar - Comment posted on 04/22/2010 18:04
KrazyKraut
ohh..m8s...wtf...
please call this here: Confessions of a Farmville addict
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