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Pirates continue to pirate while game companies focus on punishing honest consumers. Nothing new here.
I think/hope I'm making the right choice by waiting until the end of Summer to pick this one up, otherwise my skin will see no sunlight or even moon glow. I also like to tell myself that it will be a more complete package by then with the updates and all.
C'mon gamers, please band together and make sure they receive "delayed payments" by not paying for this shit.
I think the point for the DRM might be missed in this instance. For an online games it works, like WoW or any other with some measure of security every bit helps. Can you still be hacked, yes, can they circumvent the DRM and play Diablo 3 on some private server yes. Point is though they can't play on the official servers forever without getting caught eventually. That's really the whole point.
Still waiting for the rage when Blizzard announces the mandatory DLC in order to continue playing the game. Im pretty confident it will happen, and it will be a lot of fun.
I don't know why my message was converted into a blank box. =/ It was supposed to say:
While I would never play a Diablo game without Battle.net (which D2 used and required an always-on internet connection even a decade ago, and was subject to server inaccessibility), I think it's terrible that they're forcing its use as the only method of playing the game. I'm sure there's a means of creating a single player client that doesn't contain a server-based structure that can lead to botting/duping.
While I would never play a Diablo game without Battle.net (which D2 used and required an always-on internet connection even a decade ago, and was subject to server inaccessibility), I think it's terrible that they're forcing its use as the only method of playing the game. I'm sure there's a means of creating a single player client that doesn't contain a server-based structure that can lead to botting/duping.
Jim, I'm normally with you 100% but D3's online structure isn't DRM it's an online game you don't log in to check and make sure the game is legit you log in to play just like you would WoW.
@Robert Long - It's a DRM. Multiplayer is not a requirement, hence, online connections should not bd required to play alone.
Diablo III can rot for all I care. The genre has moved forward since D2 without Blizzard.
Diablo III can rot for all I care. The genre has moved forward since D2 without Blizzard.
Well this is pretty stupid.
Basically, this is like if Honda said, "We're planning on releasing a new type of car with a hydroelectric engine; most of our best talent and keenest minds went into its production. Be aware, though, that there's a chance yours wont even start.
Thank you for your support."
Basically, this is like if Honda said, "We're planning on releasing a new type of car with a hydroelectric engine; most of our best talent and keenest minds went into its production. Be aware, though, that there's a chance yours wont even start.
Thank you for your support."
All I know is, if I can't play next Monday night at 12:01 I'm going to kill my entire family and bathe in their blood.
@The Silent Protagonist - Your right multi-player isn't a requirement being online is however it's a client/server structure. Could they had made it entirely client based like D1/D2 yup but I for would prefer the game not to boil down to dupes/hacks/botters like D2 in the end.
And as for the genre moving on? How? TL2? or Hero's of Ruin? It's still pretty much the same thing mindless hack and slash and loot collect. You can paint a square room a different color but it's still a square room
And as for the genre moving on? How? TL2? or Hero's of Ruin? It's still pretty much the same thing mindless hack and slash and loot collect. You can paint a square room a different color but it's still a square room
@Robert Long
it's a single-player game with multiplayer component i would, probably, even not use (if i even cared about getting the game after this online-only thing was announced last year). it doesn't benefit multiplayer component much, limits single-player component a lot and creates problems like the one described in the article.
I mean, come on, when Valve dropped the ball with Half-Life 2 in 2004 it was a stupid situation. Steam became an amazing (though still far from perfect) service since then and here we have Blizzard doing the same stuff 8 years later. It's a serious reason for complaints
it's a single-player game with multiplayer component i would, probably, even not use (if i even cared about getting the game after this online-only thing was announced last year). it doesn't benefit multiplayer component much, limits single-player component a lot and creates problems like the one described in the article.
I mean, come on, when Valve dropped the ball with Half-Life 2 in 2004 it was a stupid situation. Steam became an amazing (though still far from perfect) service since then and here we have Blizzard doing the same stuff 8 years later. It's a serious reason for complaints
If you don't support this form of online-only requirement, the best thing you can do is to not buy D3 and buy TL2 instead. I don't mean that in a "If you don't like it just shut up and play something else!" way - instead, I just think that companies will listen to their sales record much more than they'll listen to a bunch of people complaining on the internet. In business there's a big difference between "I don't like this, but will buy it anyway" and "This is a total deal-breaker and I won't buy your product." I don't mean to suggest that all game developers care only when a profit is involved - Blizzard has little to gain from the ongoing support it's given Diablo 2 over the years, but they've continued to patch the game and do ladder resets for over a decade now - but when money IS involved those decisions tend to get weighed a bit more heavily. You can't change Diablo 3, but perhaps you can change the direction future games take.
That said, I like the online functionality I've seen so far from the D3 beta: I like being able to see when my friends are online, I like being able to quickly join a game with those friends by clicking a single button, I like having access to the auction house, and I like that Blizzard is doing everything within its power to crack down on unfair play (duping, botting, etc.). Sure, I could have the first two in addition to an offline experience, but the latter two - a stable economy and a tough-on-cheating environment - benefit greatly from the online-only model Blizzard has used for D3.
That said, I like the online functionality I've seen so far from the D3 beta: I like being able to see when my friends are online, I like being able to quickly join a game with those friends by clicking a single button, I like having access to the auction house, and I like that Blizzard is doing everything within its power to crack down on unfair play (duping, botting, etc.). Sure, I could have the first two in addition to an offline experience, but the latter two - a stable economy and a tough-on-cheating environment - benefit greatly from the online-only model Blizzard has used for D3.
And I feel a bit better about refusing to buy this. Cmon Torchlight 2, get here. A poor sp guy like me needs some clicky clacking.
It's not a single player game. It's an MMORPG with an economy, it just happens to limit players to four player instances and has no central hub. "Single player" as you refer to it is really just you soloing. This game was designed from the ground up to be a multiplayer game.
No one complained that they couldn't play WoW or SWTOR offline without having to log in. This is no different.
No one complained that they couldn't play WoW or SWTOR offline without having to log in. This is no different.
@Robert Long - there have been plenty of entries in the genre, it would take too long to list them all and what they've brought to the table, but most of it boils down to shared loot pools - everyone gets the same stuff.
This eliminates the need for AH or online DRM. Everyone gets the stuff, he'll, in Monster Hunter the same monster part can be used to make different weapons or armor and everyone can loot that part for themselves to build what they wish. All they have to do is put in the time.
So people can work online and off toward thier own goals. Why is D3 not doing that?
This eliminates the need for AH or online DRM. Everyone gets the stuff, he'll, in Monster Hunter the same monster part can be used to make different weapons or armor and everyone can loot that part for themselves to build what they wish. All they have to do is put in the time.
So people can work online and off toward thier own goals. Why is D3 not doing that?
lol this is the reason why I taking Wednesday off instead of Tuesday. I've been burned by launch day shenanigans before.
40 second delay? Oh God, how horrible. This is a non-story.
It's not DRM, but an MMO. Of course you have to log in.
I'm fairly confident about playing Day 1. The beta really stressed their servers and helped them with the load of so many logging in. Plus, during that time, I was able to play for most of it (with some minor headaches).
With all that said, I can't play until I get off work anyway. So all the hardcore people will have been logged in by the time I get home.
It's not DRM, but an MMO. Of course you have to log in.
I'm fairly confident about playing Day 1. The beta really stressed their servers and helped them with the load of so many logging in. Plus, during that time, I was able to play for most of it (with some minor headaches).
With all that said, I can't play until I get off work anyway. So all the hardcore people will have been logged in by the time I get home.
"Why is D3 not doing that?"
Because different games are different?
"Everyone getting the same stuff" may work for some games, but the highly randomized loot is one of the MAIN draws of the Diablo series. Taking that away from Diablo is like taking classes out of Team Fortress: "Why not have everyone just shoot the same guns?"
Because different games are different?
"Everyone getting the same stuff" may work for some games, but the highly randomized loot is one of the MAIN draws of the Diablo series. Taking that away from Diablo is like taking classes out of Team Fortress: "Why not have everyone just shoot the same guns?"
@Arttemis
Very true!
I just remember playing single player D2 at my moms (offline only) as we had no internet, which they just got about 2 years ago and when I went online at my dad's I crapped myself at how much better the game was. Trying to play D2 online without an internet connection...lol
Just sucks for people that can actually only play offline as I used to be in that category as we lived to far up the mountain and out of town to get internet.
Very true!
I just remember playing single player D2 at my moms (offline only) as we had no internet, which they just got about 2 years ago and when I went online at my dad's I crapped myself at how much better the game was. Trying to play D2 online without an internet connection...lol
Just sucks for people that can actually only play offline as I used to be in that category as we lived to far up the mountain and out of town to get internet.
@MRR - Randomized loot its one of the most heavily condemned aspects of the genre. People don't like being jerked around on loot, they want to see a light at the end of the tunnel.
Part of the problem is the randomized loot is tiered by time investment. Its an incredibly old gag, but better loot just starts unlocking after the 50 hour mark, the 100 hour mark, 200 hour mark and so on. You could just leave your game idle at home, go to work and get better loot faster than only playing it when you're at home.
At least building something better bit by bit does not feel like a circle jerk.
Part of the problem is the randomized loot is tiered by time investment. Its an incredibly old gag, but better loot just starts unlocking after the 50 hour mark, the 100 hour mark, 200 hour mark and so on. You could just leave your game idle at home, go to work and get better loot faster than only playing it when you're at home.
At least building something better bit by bit does not feel like a circle jerk.
@EDOfying Films
Lol true story!
If this is an "MMO"RPG than Battlefield must be an MMOFPS as you can have 4 times as many people in a game as you can with D3, ZOMG!
Lol true story!
If this is an "MMO"RPG than Battlefield must be an MMOFPS as you can have 4 times as many people in a game as you can with D3, ZOMG!
@Jackburnt
I'm in basically the same boat as you. I' won't be trying to log in until well after 8pm on the 15th, so I don't really expect many problems. If I do encounter a delay however, 40 sec is not a deal breaker/ rage-inducer by any means, at not to anyone who doesn't have their head stuck up they're whiny ass anyways.
I'm in basically the same boat as you. I' won't be trying to log in until well after 8pm on the 15th, so I don't really expect many problems. If I do encounter a delay however, 40 sec is not a deal breaker/ rage-inducer by any means, at not to anyone who doesn't have their head stuck up they're whiny ass anyways.
A whole fucking 40 seconds!? How dare they, I shall never buy another actiblizz cream game again good sirs! Seriously though, I have to wait until after work, so by then it will just be 30 seconds. The wait right now is far worse, even killing kittens isn't lessening the Diabloless pain.
@The Silent Protagonist:
Changing drop based on time invested? I've never heard that. Has Blizzard ever said anything to that effect?
Changing drop based on time invested? I've never heard that. Has Blizzard ever said anything to that effect?
I don't really see battle net as drm, the services it provides are pretty sweet. Same thing with steam, i guess technically its drm but it balances out and then some. I'm ok with slight timeouts.
You predict a lot of rage stemming from 40 seconds of wait time at the login screen? I don't. People waited for hours to log into WoW servers the first week, and that blew over pretty fast. I'm guessing the rage that builds up in that 40 seconds will likely be gone by the time the player can click "Create new character".
This isn't' DRM it is a method of securing the integrity of the game, not just the real money auction house but not having the ridiculous amounts of cheating, exploits, hacks and bots flooding into the game like Diablo 2.
@amtaix, The Silent Protagonist: No, that's not how loot in Diablo works; it is not tiered by time and you can get any item at any time, if you kill the right monsters. Enemies in Diablo 2 had a number referred to as their "treasure class" (which was based on the difficulty of the monster and their place in the game) and that determined their loot table. It doesn't matter whether it's the first or thousandth time you're killing a certain monster or boss; that particular monster will have a chance to drop anything on the list associated with its treasure class.
@The Silent Protagonist: I've often seen randomized loot condemned in MMOs, but never in ARPGs. MMOs typically limit their (less-randomized) payouts to a weekly or daily basis, but there is no such limitation to how often you can get loot in Diablo - it's just always a random. Maybe you've seen different things than I have, but I've followed a number of D3 news sites and visited the official message boards from time to time and I've never seen the suggestion come up that loot shouldn't be random. Maybe you don't like randomized loot, but it's worked well for millions of Diablo players over the years, and it's very much a defining feature of the series. Randomized loot with thousands and thousands of possibilities (random item mods with random values) has led to much of the replayability of Diablo, since people will hunt for the perfect item over and over and over again (and have fun doing so).
Besides, Diablo 3's crafting system DOES give you a "light at the end of the tunnel" in terms of offering a semi-predictable way to build up your gear. It won't offer the absolute best stuff in the game, but some crafted gear should be quite competitive.
@The Silent Protagonist: I've often seen randomized loot condemned in MMOs, but never in ARPGs. MMOs typically limit their (less-randomized) payouts to a weekly or daily basis, but there is no such limitation to how often you can get loot in Diablo - it's just always a random. Maybe you've seen different things than I have, but I've followed a number of D3 news sites and visited the official message boards from time to time and I've never seen the suggestion come up that loot shouldn't be random. Maybe you don't like randomized loot, but it's worked well for millions of Diablo players over the years, and it's very much a defining feature of the series. Randomized loot with thousands and thousands of possibilities (random item mods with random values) has led to much of the replayability of Diablo, since people will hunt for the perfect item over and over and over again (and have fun doing so).
Besides, Diablo 3's crafting system DOES give you a "light at the end of the tunnel" in terms of offering a semi-predictable way to build up your gear. It won't offer the absolute best stuff in the game, but some crafted gear should be quite competitive.
I've decided to hold off on getting Diablo 3 until someone cracks it and I can play it without having to be online or sign in to Blizzards servers. I'm sorry, but I won't be forced to stay online to play a game that can easily be played single player.
When someone cracks it, I'll jump in.
When someone cracks it, I'll jump in.
@Ekg: That's my stance. But I'm buying it way down the line as much as it hurts (fwp and all). I'll just stare at my d3 journal and sob quietly. While listening to ppl call me a whiner because i won't support always online for a fucking sp experience.
Also:
Diablo 3 is not an MMO... but MMOs aren't the only type of game to utilize a persistent internet connection. I don't think it's productive to frame this debate in terms of genre. Rather, I think we should focus on the specific gameplay elements that are affected by the connection.
And a lot of people seem to have misread the "40 seconds" comment. It was never stated that you'd wait 40 seconds and then automatically get in; you can wait UP TO 40 seconds during the log-in process before you'll be automatically disconnected. You may fail completely to log in for hours. That said, based on SC2's relatively smooth launch, I'm not particularly worried.
Diablo 3 is not an MMO... but MMOs aren't the only type of game to utilize a persistent internet connection. I don't think it's productive to frame this debate in terms of genre. Rather, I think we should focus on the specific gameplay elements that are affected by the connection.
And a lot of people seem to have misread the "40 seconds" comment. It was never stated that you'd wait 40 seconds and then automatically get in; you can wait UP TO 40 seconds during the log-in process before you'll be automatically disconnected. You may fail completely to log in for hours. That said, based on SC2's relatively smooth launch, I'm not particularly worried.
Think I'll hold off on picking up my (paid-off) pre-order. If servers are swamped and things are really bad for too long, my money might end up elsewhere.
@EKG: it's not that simple. Part of the reason it requires an persistent connection are because many aspects of the game like AI, NPC's, quests, merchants and whatnot are run on Blizzard's servers, with the client just being a "dumb" terminal pulling down data and visualizing it. No one is going to be able to crack it until they can accurately clone Blizzard's server logic, which will take a decent amount of time monitoring network traffic from the real game and reverse-engineering it. Even then, to play offline, you'll probably need to run a local, private server.
From some of the comments I gather there is a sect of PC gamers who are used to a developer telling them when and how they can use their purchases, and if you don't like it you are a whiner. Master race?
Going to pirate Diablo 3 and host a private server JUST SO I CAN PLAY FUCKING LAN WITH MY BROTHER. Christ, thats all I want to do. I dont give a rats ass about auctions so if I decide to play OFFLINE then I already dont get to use them so it shouldnt fucking matter!
This always online thing is bullshit.
This always online thing is bullshit.
@EKGProd this will never happen.
D3 isn't going to be a single player focused game, the focus is off single player and on coop almost entirely.
D3 isn't going to be a single player focused game, the focus is off single player and on coop almost entirely.
I think I will download this and buy it, that way I can play this the 3 months out of the year I'm working in China... It blows my mind, if it was on the xbox I'd understand, not to many people lug their xbox around, but PCs people play EVERYWHERE! I bring my laptop with me to crap sometimes just like a phone or tablet.
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