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@sabak: I had already planned on getting Torchlight 2 because of the online DRM requirement. online DRM instantly diminishes the value of a product in my eyes and guarantees me not buying your game at launch, even if I really wanted to. I'll probably pick it up for $20-30 eventually, but its not worth the $60 price tag as I see it. If they wanted to make it an MMO (which Diablo never was and never will be) they shouldn't have bothered to even code a SP.
It will be interesting if the server problems and bugs will be factored into the reviews for this game. Plenty of other games seem to get hammered if released and suffer from bugs and glitches. I wonder if reviewers will overlook such issues because it's "Diablo 3".
Of course no penalty whatsoever for Blizzard. Just a cheap excuse, that's it. People pay $60 for a game and it doesn't work straight out of the box, because of some "out of hand" server issue. Gamers seem to be okay with this because server problem are in God hands so Blizzard can't do anything about that. Last time I checked it's illegal to sell a product that his not working, but apparently there's an exception for videogames... It seem we need new laws to fight this recurrent behavior from the gaming industry. It should be illegal and heavily fined.
@Spaz Regarding Skill trees: I'm grad they are done, Im still on my first play through as a demon hunter, and a skill you unlock early on is impale, i set it and used it for a couple of minutes and thought, wow this skill blows, and i didnt use it again.. that is til last night almost 28 levels and a dozen hours later, i was just fooling around and i set impale again, using the over penetration rune. Right away i noticed 2 things, 1.)i was doing around 1400 damage with it and 2.)it was actually really useful for the part of the game i was at(confined coridors where my chakram was getting messed up by walls.
Long story short, the lack of a skill tree system no longer limits me, but allows me to adapt to the situation and makes my character no longer become dead weight.
With regards to binding keys, you can change the game from guided to elective. Elective lets you do whatever you want similar to old diablo.
Long story short, the lack of a skill tree system no longer limits me, but allows me to adapt to the situation and makes my character no longer become dead weight.
With regards to binding keys, you can change the game from guided to elective. Elective lets you do whatever you want similar to old diablo.
this problem won't get fixed unless they do a offline patch that allows you to play offline. even if it works fine once they patch it, what happens to those who have shitty Internet connection or straight up constant outages in their home? no D3 for them?
this is just a good example of why always connected is not the save all, however, from blizzards perspective it makes perfect business sense of fighting off piracy.
this is just a good example of why always connected is not the save all, however, from blizzards perspective it makes perfect business sense of fighting off piracy.
I will not be surprised to hear the story about people cracking the game to play it offline, and the followup by Blizzard saying that they were right to include DRM, because of the huge number of people playing hacked copies. How long do you think it will be? One week?
Do people still not understand that a huge amount of vital game content is on the server side? There will be no offline patch, it's like asking for ask offline version of WOW. Ain't gonna happen. Same for all the morons hoping for a ” DRM crack”.
@silverx2: Concerning the rune statement isn't that just something that just about any other game uses? An item that buffs some of your current abilities, I fail to see how something that has been around for awhile now (even included in the previous game) makes this new system better. You can still be flexible with a skill tree, all it means is that Blizzard needed to be more flexible with it.
@Camel Toad: It will eventually get cracked. This method of DRM isn't exactly new and will only serve to delay the inevitable.
You would think that the Open Beta weekend they had would have prepared them for this. Once I heard it was DRM my hopes of one day purchase faded.
Looking forward to Torchlight 2 instead.
Looking forward to Torchlight 2 instead.
No, it won't. You'd have to essentially set up a private server and emulate the data from Blizzard servers. It's ”DRM” is essentially equivalent to WOW. Please tell me about all those cracked offline versions of WOW.
Also Jim, you forgot to mention how achievements are disappearing or just flat out not unlocking and that the real money auction house has been delayed.
@camel
I could prolly pull up a bunch of video on YouTube of "cracked" wow servers. Its gonna happen.
I could prolly pull up a bunch of video on YouTube of "cracked" wow servers. Its gonna happen.
Technically this method of DRM isn't new, but because it's the MMO method of DRM then I would be surprised if we see a way to pirate Diablo III with perfect functionality within a year.
@Spaz
It's going to be quite a while before it's hacked.
Many of the game's assets are stored server-side -- so until people literally pull the assets themselves and craft their own personal version of the game, you won't see legitimate cracks (usually MMOs are cracked years after launch, and follow the same server-side storage. They exist, just not right away).
It's going to be quite a while before it's hacked.
Many of the game's assets are stored server-side -- so until people literally pull the assets themselves and craft their own personal version of the game, you won't see legitimate cracks (usually MMOs are cracked years after launch, and follow the same server-side storage. They exist, just not right away).
@Camel
"Please tell me about all those cracked offline versions of WOW."
They exist. It just took them a while to essentially reconstruct the game and host it. Most of them are housed in the EU.
"Please tell me about all those cracked offline versions of WOW."
They exist. It just took them a while to essentially reconstruct the game and host it. Most of them are housed in the EU.
@Camel Toad
...... you mean like the private WoW servers people have been running for years? I'm not saying a crack for Diablo3 is just over the horizon but saying it will never happen is like any security saying their security is uncrackable.... usually that gauntlet results in said security being cracked faster than it would have when no one cared.
Personally I've just written off Diablo3 as a loss until I can pick it up in a bargain bin for $5-15 or they just take it F2P. Whichever comes first. Until then I'm content not playing it at all.
...... you mean like the private WoW servers people have been running for years? I'm not saying a crack for Diablo3 is just over the horizon but saying it will never happen is like any security saying their security is uncrackable.... usually that gauntlet results in said security being cracked faster than it would have when no one cared.
Personally I've just written off Diablo3 as a loss until I can pick it up in a bargain bin for $5-15 or they just take it F2P. Whichever comes first. Until then I'm content not playing it at all.
This is why we need Diablo 3 on the console. Give us a single player Campaign, Drop the auction House ( if you have to) and give us the standard multi player hack and slash questing that we all love.
Bullshit, they cheaped out on servers and they know it.
This isn't some new f2p MMO from some new developer, its fucking Diablo 3, not to mention all the disasters they've had before with Starcraft and WoW, how could they not anticipate something like this.
Servers are currently up regardless but still.
I love the game, Demon Hunter owns but the DRM is grating.
This isn't some new f2p MMO from some new developer, its fucking Diablo 3, not to mention all the disasters they've had before with Starcraft and WoW, how could they not anticipate something like this.
Servers are currently up regardless but still.
I love the game, Demon Hunter owns but the DRM is grating.
The game has been absolutely excellent thus far. Fun, engaging, pretty and did I mention fun? Because fun. The server issues have been unfortunate (not rage-inducing, just unfortunate) but they're little more than excuses for people who already made up their minds to hate the game. It was very clear months before Diablo 3 came out that a certain subset of the gaming community didn't want to like it, and such things are always self-fulfilling prophecies.
As people are always so quick to point out, though, hatred of a game you've never played is a perfectly valid opinion.
As people are always so quick to point out, though, hatred of a game you've never played is a perfectly valid opinion.
@Kyousuke Nanbu
Yup its the standard substandard industry practice.
Cheap out on servers then act all surprised when everything goes to shit. What gets me is all the "they can't control" crap that people spout out..... The hell they can't.
Like you said they aren't some fresh off the boat dev, they have DECADES of experience and certainly access to their pre-order numbers. Which I seem to recall every blog in the blogosphere touting that D3 had broken all kinds of Amazon pre-order records.....
But what we get is "Hurr Durr we dudn't expekt dis!"
Yup its the standard substandard industry practice.
Cheap out on servers then act all surprised when everything goes to shit. What gets me is all the "they can't control" crap that people spout out..... The hell they can't.
Like you said they aren't some fresh off the boat dev, they have DECADES of experience and certainly access to their pre-order numbers. Which I seem to recall every blog in the blogosphere touting that D3 had broken all kinds of Amazon pre-order records.....
But what we get is "Hurr Durr we dudn't expekt dis!"
I wasn't impressed with the beta tristy, and I seriously had a huge boner for this game up until I realized it's always-on drm. About a week prior to its release.
I'm sure your view on the situation is correct in regards to some people, but not all.
I'm sure your view on the situation is correct in regards to some people, but not all.
I never played the old Diablo titles and this news makes me glad I didn't buy into the hype for this one. I wonder if we're going to keep seeing more of these Massively Singleplayer server-bound pieces of crap.
The beta was a very poor representation of the full game. It's not at ALL like that. I got a few codes for free trials of the full game. Want one?
They "cheaped out" on servers? Frankly if they had had a 100% smooth launch, there'd be an argument to be made that they over-invested on servers: Can you fathom the amount of connection attempts they've been getting? The servers needed to handle the insane (and unprecedented) launch rush would be total overkill for day-to-day operations.
I'm well aware there will eventually be private servers, I'm saying there will be no DRM crack for offline play.
Eh im just happy I am away from this greedy company, torchlight 2 did it right by doing everything against blizzards judgment, that is why it will make money, hell already preordered one for me and one for my girl for $20 less then one game of d3.. The beta its the same and definitely not fun.
If you have extras then sure buddy. :-) What is so different from the beta, might I ask?
P.s. have you ever compared trophies with me in psn? It's hilarious how we play/own almost none of the same games.
P.s. have you ever compared trophies with me in psn? It's hilarious how we play/own almost none of the same games.
@tek
My good friend and I are huge D1 and D2 fans: we played D1 with each other via 56k back in the day. We both didn't like the beta.
We love the full game. PM Tristrix :)
My good friend and I are huge D1 and D2 fans: we played D1 with each other via 56k back in the day. We both didn't like the beta.
We love the full game. PM Tristrix :)
@Snorbuckle, because ActivisionBlizzard is lacking in funds right? Lol. Im sure they can afford to have some extra servers on standby just for launches.
@mag
oh god, 56k... i remember working for Earthlink and having to tech a 56k, touchy as hell connection for mostly idiots.
WHY DID WE THINK WE COULD PLAY GAMES ON 56K?! WE WERE FOOLS! FOOLS, YA SEE?! MREH!! /1920's gangster
oh god, 56k... i remember working for Earthlink and having to tech a 56k, touchy as hell connection for mostly idiots.
WHY DID WE THINK WE COULD PLAY GAMES ON 56K?! WE WERE FOOLS! FOOLS, YA SEE?! MREH!! /1920's gangster
I'm pretty okay with it being always online. The OBN was terrible in D2 and I wouldn't want a repeat of that.
With a game like this, the server issues were expected. Any thing could go wrong and there is no way of testing millions of people attempting to log in at the same time.
With a game like this, the server issues were expected. Any thing could go wrong and there is no way of testing millions of people attempting to log in at the same time.
@Achromatis I don't think "some" extra servers would cover the kind of server stress that's going on here. Also, it makes little business sense to invest too much in a title that doesn't have a set monthly return. The RMAH is an entirely new venture, and not something they can have a full grasp on the financials of. Furthermore, I feel that gamers don't really have a good understanding of the sheer amount of money and resources it takes to run the kind of servers that are needed for games of this magnitude. To think that Activision Blizzard can throw enough money around to account for every scenario relies on massive assumptions about their financial situation that we just don't have insight into.
@tekbunny
They did stress test, but they can't stress test that many people getting online at the same time. Stress testing is great for seeing how many can be on concurrently, but they can't stress their login and authentication servers.
They did stress test, but they can't stress test that many people getting online at the same time. Stress testing is great for seeing how many can be on concurrently, but they can't stress their login and authentication servers.
i really want to stop responding, but i can't help myself. god, help me.
@snor
"Also, it makes little business sense to invest too much in a title that doesn't have a set monthly return."
so 99.9 percent of all games makes little business sense? why even make them then?
"The RMAH is an entirely new venture, and not something they can have a full grasp on the financials of."
couldn't they look at all the other companies who have been doing something similar to this completely not new venture for some help or ideas? it's not like this is the first company to let you pay for items for their game.
"Furthermore, I feel that gamers don't really have a good understanding of the sheer amount of money and resources it takes to run the kind of servers that are needed for games of this magnitude. To think that Activision Blizzard can throw enough money around to account for every scenario relies on massive assumptions about their financial situation that we just don't have insight into."
cool story. but that's really blizzards fault, and no one elses. if it had had an offline mode you wouldn't have to stress the servers with every person playing single player.
@meryc
you're going to have to clarify for me, because what i got out of you wrote was they cannot stress test many people getting on... which is what i thought a stress test was. i'm essentially hearing "they totally tested the breaks on their car to the limit, they just didn't test them past 50 miles per hour"
@snor
"Also, it makes little business sense to invest too much in a title that doesn't have a set monthly return."
so 99.9 percent of all games makes little business sense? why even make them then?
"The RMAH is an entirely new venture, and not something they can have a full grasp on the financials of."
couldn't they look at all the other companies who have been doing something similar to this completely not new venture for some help or ideas? it's not like this is the first company to let you pay for items for their game.
"Furthermore, I feel that gamers don't really have a good understanding of the sheer amount of money and resources it takes to run the kind of servers that are needed for games of this magnitude. To think that Activision Blizzard can throw enough money around to account for every scenario relies on massive assumptions about their financial situation that we just don't have insight into."
cool story. but that's really blizzards fault, and no one elses. if it had had an offline mode you wouldn't have to stress the servers with every person playing single player.
@meryc
you're going to have to clarify for me, because what i got out of you wrote was they cannot stress test many people getting on... which is what i thought a stress test was. i'm essentially hearing "they totally tested the breaks on their car to the limit, they just didn't test them past 50 miles per hour"
@tekbunny
Essentially, they tested the engine but they couldn't test the ignition. Also, I am terrible with cars so that analogy probably sucks.
Stress tests are there to make sure that many people can be on at the same time. But they couldn't predict how many people participated in the beta weekend, nor how many would get on at the same time.
I should clarify a little further on my post, while I like this DRM, they should have set up an offline version. You can't take those characters to multiplayer, but it would be there. I do understand that had they done that we probably wouldn't have the game just yet.
Essentially, they tested the engine but they couldn't test the ignition. Also, I am terrible with cars so that analogy probably sucks.
Stress tests are there to make sure that many people can be on at the same time. But they couldn't predict how many people participated in the beta weekend, nor how many would get on at the same time.
I should clarify a little further on my post, while I like this DRM, they should have set up an offline version. You can't take those characters to multiplayer, but it would be there. I do understand that had they done that we probably wouldn't have the game just yet.
@tekbunny
Essentially, they tested the engine but they couldn't test the ignition. Also, I am terrible with cars so that analogy probably sucks.
Stress tests are there to make sure that many people can be on at the same time. But they couldn't predict how many people participated in the beta weekend, nor how many would get on at the same time.
I should clarify a little further on my post, while I like this DRM, they should have set up an offline version. You can't take those characters to multiplayer, but it would be there. I do understand that had they done that we probably wouldn't have the game just yet.
Essentially, they tested the engine but they couldn't test the ignition. Also, I am terrible with cars so that analogy probably sucks.
Stress tests are there to make sure that many people can be on at the same time. But they couldn't predict how many people participated in the beta weekend, nor how many would get on at the same time.
I should clarify a little further on my post, while I like this DRM, they should have set up an offline version. You can't take those characters to multiplayer, but it would be there. I do understand that had they done that we probably wouldn't have the game just yet.
@meryc
i think i get ya. auth servers are different than gameplay servers, and you prolly don't need as many auth servers running at a time as you do gameplay ones since their role is required for a short period of time, right? or am i just pulling all of this out of my ass? if so, would anyone care to correct me?
"I should clarify a little further on my post, while I like this DRM, they should have set up an offline version. You can't take those characters to multiplayer, but it would be there."
okay, this mentality i can agree on. but that's because i'm a consumer/human being who thinks that having options is one of the greater joys and freedoms in life.
the online "drm" itself isn't inherently bad. both wow and tf2 do something similar where many or all things are saved server-side. and if i choose to log in to battle.net, then i'll be glad they have my online character saved there. but it will also be nice to play my alt offline character when i just want to play single player. no hassles, no one rushing me, no one going too slow, i can take a smoke break without pissing off 4 other people, i can take care of my animals without pissing off 4 other people, and i can stop without pissing off 4 other people.
or are people just waiting for Lain to happen so they can just be hooked up to a computer and the internet all the time?
i think i get ya. auth servers are different than gameplay servers, and you prolly don't need as many auth servers running at a time as you do gameplay ones since their role is required for a short period of time, right? or am i just pulling all of this out of my ass? if so, would anyone care to correct me?
"I should clarify a little further on my post, while I like this DRM, they should have set up an offline version. You can't take those characters to multiplayer, but it would be there."
okay, this mentality i can agree on. but that's because i'm a consumer/human being who thinks that having options is one of the greater joys and freedoms in life.
the online "drm" itself isn't inherently bad. both wow and tf2 do something similar where many or all things are saved server-side. and if i choose to log in to battle.net, then i'll be glad they have my online character saved there. but it will also be nice to play my alt offline character when i just want to play single player. no hassles, no one rushing me, no one going too slow, i can take a smoke break without pissing off 4 other people, i can take care of my animals without pissing off 4 other people, and i can stop without pissing off 4 other people.
or are people just waiting for Lain to happen so they can just be hooked up to a computer and the internet all the time?
Blizzard sucks big fat dick. If you're gonna force people to be online all the time to play your damn game and go as far as to manage MOVEMENT server-side you better fucking be prepared to handle the server load. And considering all the hype they built up for that game it is their fault 100%, I really don't think they lack resources for it and they had a stress test with the beta.
And all the drones telling people to stop "whining", I'm pretty sure everybody who bought this on launch day are entitled to being able to fucking play it. It's been three days and it's still filled with technical problems. You can't both support their horrid DRM and expect people to suck Blizzard's milky tits when they can't get it to work. This just goes to show that the only people DRM fucks over is honest customers.
Looking forward to Torchlight II.
Looking forward to Torchlight II.
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