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Oh boy, here comes more DRM complaints, Activision and Blizzard hate, Torchlight is better blahblahblah.
But I do agree that nerfs suck.
But I do agree that nerfs suck.
Jim, this list was already posted yesterday, by the time you posted the first story.
But anyway, yeah. "Their most useful skills downgraded" certainly couldn't translate into "their most ridiculously broken abilities brought in line." People upset their mains got nerfed, film at 11.
But anyway, yeah. "Their most useful skills downgraded" certainly couldn't translate into "their most ridiculously broken abilities brought in line." People upset their mains got nerfed, film at 11.
*My crowd control/slowing Demon Hunter is conspicuously unaffected.
I guess that sucks for anyone dependent on smoke screen...?
I guess that sucks for anyone dependent on smoke screen...?
Game is tougher on higher difficulties to offer more longevity (item grind) and/or motivate users to use the real-money Auction House. A lot of customization comes from decking your character out with cool gear, at least that's how Diablo has worked in the past.
I haven't started playing on the harder difficulties yet, but this is a shame. Monk just went from having one viable high-level build to having zero viable high-level builds. I'm lucky my friends aren't too good at the game or else they'd notice how much easier it was for their wizards and demon hunters to absolutely wreck shit compared to me. Guess we'll be sticking with normal mode for now.
Though honestly, this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Blizzard could learn from Valve or Aksys on how to balance a game correctly.
Though honestly, this shouldn't be a surprise to anyone. Blizzard could learn from Valve or Aksys on how to balance a game correctly.
Totally called this. Can't wait for the next round of nerfs that will piss off all the people this nerf patch didn't.
Seriously, blizzard and nerf should get together and make a line of toys.
Seriously, blizzard and nerf should get together and make a line of toys.
@omicron1:
SS is used primarily for late Hell and Inferno. Slow builds simply don't work under those circumstances, particularly against Elites that seem to ignore slow and stun entirely.
That said, life as a DH is harder, but not impossible. Chaining for nearly 30 seconds of invulnerability is admittedly broken. It just results in less "Stand and fight!" and more "Get to the fucking exit."
SS is used primarily for late Hell and Inferno. Slow builds simply don't work under those circumstances, particularly against Elites that seem to ignore slow and stun entirely.
That said, life as a DH is harder, but not impossible. Chaining for nearly 30 seconds of invulnerability is admittedly broken. It just results in less "Stand and fight!" and more "Get to the fucking exit."
Alright if you're gonna nerf my SS, buff my Fan of Knives range so I have an appropriate panic button.
SephirothX seems like one of those kids who's always on official game forums calling every complaint, legitimate or not, whiny.
@am
My rooting caltrops work fine all the way through Act 4 Hell on everything but bosses. Can't speak for slow ones, but rooting still works. I'm 1 level away from 60, then I can see how Inferno fares.
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I'm glad they nerfed smokescreen the way they did, as it's still viable with the lingering fog rune. You just can't chain cast it.
My rooting caltrops work fine all the way through Act 4 Hell on everything but bosses. Can't speak for slow ones, but rooting still works. I'm 1 level away from 60, then I can see how Inferno fares.
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I'm glad they nerfed smokescreen the way they did, as it's still viable with the lingering fog rune. You just can't chain cast it.
Pretty sure Sephiroth X doesn't even own the game, guess his mom and dad said no when he got carded at g-stop. And pangloss's comment is pretty much verbatim what he said in the last thread.
I already said it before but the nerf is significant because it leaves the hunter without anything on inferno or hell, most mobs are immune to their traps and they die very quickly, running only works till you meet a jailer/vortex/teleport mob, even then most enemies are faster than you.
"HUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRR ITS HARDER DURRRRRRRRRRRR" Yes I know, but again like I said before, big difference between something that's hard and something that's frustrating. A hunter can farm for days and well, quite frankly the equipment a hunter needs to survive just doesn't exist.
"and/or motivate users to use the real-money Auction House."
This is NOT a good thing, I already bought the game, I am not giving Blizzard or any person more of my money.
I don't think balanced when I think Diablo anyway, anyone remember hammerdins in Diablo 2? Im sure Sephiroth X doesn't since he wasn't even born yet, but for the adults who played it, think hard and you'll recall all the broken shit had and still does.
I already said it before but the nerf is significant because it leaves the hunter without anything on inferno or hell, most mobs are immune to their traps and they die very quickly, running only works till you meet a jailer/vortex/teleport mob, even then most enemies are faster than you.
"HUUUUUUUUUUUURRRRRRRR ITS HARDER DURRRRRRRRRRRR" Yes I know, but again like I said before, big difference between something that's hard and something that's frustrating. A hunter can farm for days and well, quite frankly the equipment a hunter needs to survive just doesn't exist.
"and/or motivate users to use the real-money Auction House."
This is NOT a good thing, I already bought the game, I am not giving Blizzard or any person more of my money.
I don't think balanced when I think Diablo anyway, anyone remember hammerdins in Diablo 2? Im sure Sephiroth X doesn't since he wasn't even born yet, but for the adults who played it, think hard and you'll recall all the broken shit had and still does.
"SS is used primarily for late Hell and Inferno. Slow builds simply don't work under those circumstances, particularly against Elites that seem to ignore slow and stun entirely."
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So basically, Blizzard is telling me to stop playing Monk, and roll a witch doctor, as apparently Barbarians run into the same Act II wall as monks..
Okay, fine, I'll give that a go. But I won't be touching the RMAH.
Okay, fine, I'll give that a go. But I won't be touching the RMAH.
@usetable & Kyousuke Nanbu
I hope this image helps this sink in for both of you.
Elementary level stuff like that really shouldn't sucker you in like that.
I hope this image helps this sink in for both of you.
Elementary level stuff like that really shouldn't sucker you in like that.
Guess your mom and dad caved at gamestop eventually, Seph? How'd you end up getting the copy of Diablo 3 I see you playing on my battle.net friends list all the damn time?
My demon hunter is unaffected really. Don't use smoke screen. Caltrops have been doing good dmg and slowing for me, and using vault for escaping have been doing good well.
Apparently they think every single player reads or knows about every change/update, and will thus be able to ignore the fact that some of their skills don't actually do what the game says they do?
Really, how hard is it to update the tooltip values? Answer: it's not! That's just lazy, and kind of weird...
Really, how hard is it to update the tooltip values? Answer: it's not! That's just lazy, and kind of weird...
Nothing ignores slow. Stun durations are reduced in later difficulties, but nothing ignores slow.
Mortar enemies are pretty easy once you get used to their pattern. Either stay closer to them and kite them in a tighter pattern, or keep on the move so the mortar blast misses you and only attack after the blast has gone out. Mortar on its own is rarely a problem; it's when it's combined with vortex, jailer, or sometimes knockback that it becomes especially rough.
Demon Hunters are still some of the best kiters in the game, with many abilities that allow them to deal damage while still on the move. Sure, vortex/jailers can be a problem (for ANYONE), but spamming Vault, Caltrops with a stun rune, or even Smoke Screen as soon as you get dragged in can often give you enough time to move away and avoid the damage. And hey, if you die, you at least can't claim it was false advertising (as people claimed regarding ME3).
"big difference between something that's hard and something that's frustrating."
An entirely subjective difference, for what it's worth.
"A hunter can farm for days and well, quite frankly the equipment a hunter needs to survive just doesn't exist."
So you've changed your tune now from, "I don't -want- to farm in a Diablo game!" to this?
Just for the record, saying "the gear doesn't exist" and/or "the class doesn't have the skills to make survival possible" contradicts the notion that this is pushing people toward the auction house.
Mortar enemies are pretty easy once you get used to their pattern. Either stay closer to them and kite them in a tighter pattern, or keep on the move so the mortar blast misses you and only attack after the blast has gone out. Mortar on its own is rarely a problem; it's when it's combined with vortex, jailer, or sometimes knockback that it becomes especially rough.
Demon Hunters are still some of the best kiters in the game, with many abilities that allow them to deal damage while still on the move. Sure, vortex/jailers can be a problem (for ANYONE), but spamming Vault, Caltrops with a stun rune, or even Smoke Screen as soon as you get dragged in can often give you enough time to move away and avoid the damage. And hey, if you die, you at least can't claim it was false advertising (as people claimed regarding ME3).
"big difference between something that's hard and something that's frustrating."
An entirely subjective difference, for what it's worth.
"A hunter can farm for days and well, quite frankly the equipment a hunter needs to survive just doesn't exist."
So you've changed your tune now from, "I don't -want- to farm in a Diablo game!" to this?
Just for the record, saying "the gear doesn't exist" and/or "the class doesn't have the skills to make survival possible" contradicts the notion that this is pushing people toward the auction house.
@Tristrix
He's certainly got JimmyX beat.
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I play Barbarian. Woot. SirLaggsalot is safe for now.
He's certainly got JimmyX beat.
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I play Barbarian. Woot. SirLaggsalot is safe for now.
@ghettosmurf: It's not just a matter of laziness. Tooltip changes require client-side patching, while skill functionality can be changed purely on the server side. They're waiting to collect more changes so that they can release a single patch rather than a gazillion of them.
@Kyousuke Nanbu: Seemed fitting, since it was the same article, about the same thing, but just included the notes (which were already available when the last one was published).
I'm pretty quick to dismiss complaints about things being nerfed, because the reactions to said nerfs, since the dawn of the internet, are knee-jerk complaining to players who are likely not nearly as injured as they claim. I prefer to withhold judgement on balance changes until they've had a chance to shake out.
This is especially true with D3. It's a far cry from D2, where a marquee ability getting nerfed would mean a reroll to get the newest optimum build. It's not even WoW, where a major talent/ability nerf means you have to pay some gold to respec. Respeccing is absolutely, fabulously free in Diablo 3, so why not take your time and try other stuff out before hollering on a forum or comment thread? I'm sure I won't know whether Hunters, Monks, and Wizards are balanced with this change until I extensively test it myself.
I'm pretty quick to dismiss complaints about things being nerfed, because the reactions to said nerfs, since the dawn of the internet, are knee-jerk complaining to players who are likely not nearly as injured as they claim. I prefer to withhold judgement on balance changes until they've had a chance to shake out.
This is especially true with D3. It's a far cry from D2, where a marquee ability getting nerfed would mean a reroll to get the newest optimum build. It's not even WoW, where a major talent/ability nerf means you have to pay some gold to respec. Respeccing is absolutely, fabulously free in Diablo 3, so why not take your time and try other stuff out before hollering on a forum or comment thread? I'm sure I won't know whether Hunters, Monks, and Wizards are balanced with this change until I extensively test it myself.
Using "ignore" was poor word choice. I should have said that elites and elite minions often move fast enough that slow isn't useful and stun durations are shortened so much that they offer little to no respite.
That said, DH still has enough tools to be viable and fun. SS is still a good panic button, you just can't panic for 30 seconds any more.
That said, DH still has enough tools to be viable and fun. SS is still a good panic button, you just can't panic for 30 seconds any more.
It's funny that people are so upset about the Monks nerf (I <3 my Monk) but 4 Monk's in Inferno each casting their Mantra every 6 seconds in a big ol casting circle orgy meant they would never die.
On that note though I have no idea how hard it is as I am level 31 and still not done Normal but I remember D2 Hell spanking my ass. I am playing a WD at the same time though so it's taking me longer to finish.
On that note though I have no idea how hard it is as I am level 31 and still not done Normal but I remember D2 Hell spanking my ass. I am playing a WD at the same time though so it's taking me longer to finish.
@Sephiroth:
>Claim to be trolling
>post same responses in both articles
Must be a really shitty troll brah. And really, "I wuz trollan guiz" is a 2007 response. Any real troll never responds like that. You just got called out for whining about whiners. It won't ruin your front page rep(lol).
>Claim to be trolling
>post same responses in both articles
Must be a really shitty troll brah. And really, "I wuz trollan guiz" is a 2007 response. Any real troll never responds like that. You just got called out for whining about whiners. It won't ruin your front page rep(lol).
"Y'know, if you're so invested in Diablo III's story that you'd actually be mad about that."
I am, actually. Or was, since I beat it on Normal already. Not that its like a great or complicated story you cant guess the end of before Act1 is over, but its still nice to play through. Id have appreciated the spoiler warning if I had not already beat it, is what Im saying.
But really wtf, 10 years to make it and theyre releasing balancing patches in the first week. THIS ISNT FUCKING WORLD OF WARCRAFT BLIZZARD, GAMES NOT GONA BREAK IF SHITS NOT PERFECTLY BALANCED. So what if theres a couple powerful combos? Fucking let people use them and fuck right off.
I am, actually. Or was, since I beat it on Normal already. Not that its like a great or complicated story you cant guess the end of before Act1 is over, but its still nice to play through. Id have appreciated the spoiler warning if I had not already beat it, is what Im saying.
But really wtf, 10 years to make it and theyre releasing balancing patches in the first week. THIS ISNT FUCKING WORLD OF WARCRAFT BLIZZARD, GAMES NOT GONA BREAK IF SHITS NOT PERFECTLY BALANCED. So what if theres a couple powerful combos? Fucking let people use them and fuck right off.
People cry for 12 years about there only being a handful of viable Diablo 2 builds for Hell difficulty.
Try to fix Diablo 3 so there's more than a handful of viable builds.
People cry about that too.
Try to fix Diablo 3 so there's more than a handful of viable builds.
People cry about that too.
@Tristix: That's what they do. But, they paid for the product as it was and have a legitimate claim. Calling everyone stupid or crybabies because you disagree with their complaints just makes someone look like a corporate cocksucker. If you don't like their complaints, ignore them. Do you read through telecom complaints and call bullshit on those as well? Why should this be any different?
@Achromatis: By "a couple powerful combos" do you mean four monks chain casting their Mantra of Protection to be immortal, completely trivializing Inferno? I'm sure I have no idea why Blizzard would even consider nuking that one from orbit.
I'm actually a little surprised how upfront Blizz is being, I remember before I quit WoW they ran a patch that changed some Warlock spells and even until I quit they kept chanting the same thing "Those spells have always functioned that way" Course who am I going to pay attention to, some Blizz mouthpiece or ME who had played a Warlock at that point for years ....
@omicron: You'll be affected when you reach inferno where crowd controls never work on blue and gold level mobs. ever.
At that point demon hunter becomes pretty much unplayable. Have fun!
At that point demon hunter becomes pretty much unplayable. Have fun!
Of course. everyone seems to miss the one big important thing. The devs have outright stated they dont intend anypone to beat Inferno as it currently stands. Bashiok made a post just yesterday that Inferno atm is intended to be a brick wall used for identifyying mechanics to balance. Eventually Inferno will be nerfed to amanageable level, but for now, if you're playing Inferno, Blizz has tuned Inferno quite deliberately to be unfair and broken.
You are not supposed to be able to beat Inferno unless you have 4 players co-operating like a SWAT team, with complimentary skills, after each has spent several months spending a few hundreds dollars at the RMAH, and then you also need a good deal of luck to boot. That's how it was designed!!
I don't understand why people can't just play the game on Normal, finish, and be happy?!?
I don't understand why people can't just play the game on Normal, finish, and be happy?!?
Also for those of you with HURR HARD MODE WORKING AS INTENDED.
Yesterday on the forums, Blizzard admitted they didn't really test nightmare and hell modes, and didn't test Inferno nearly at all.
So there you go, we are currently beta testing this 60 dollar game, you know you didn't test the other diffs properly and still nerf certain abilities. That's the issue here.
In the case of some characters, their abilities are garbage, take the witch doctor, the pet class, all his pets suck on normal or above, they die in seconds and the cooldown on them is to big.
Yesterday on the forums, Blizzard admitted they didn't really test nightmare and hell modes, and didn't test Inferno nearly at all.
So there you go, we are currently beta testing this 60 dollar game, you know you didn't test the other diffs properly and still nerf certain abilities. That's the issue here.
In the case of some characters, their abilities are garbage, take the witch doctor, the pet class, all his pets suck on normal or above, they die in seconds and the cooldown on them is to big.
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