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Final Fantasy XIII masterminds Yoshinori Kitase and Motomu Toriyama have stated that they'd be very interested in doing a direct sequel to Final Fantasy XIII, though they're waiting to see how well the current game does in the West before dreaming up a XIII-2

"In the past three years we worked both on the world and on the various systems," says Kitase. "Creating these systems isn’t very glamorous and can frankly be a bit boring. If we could do a XIII-2, we could direct all our attention to the story and refine what we have already built."

That would be nice. It seems, with XIII, that they spent so long working on pretty colors and a battle system so inherently contrived that it needs to play itself for you, that they forgot what an RPG should be about -- the story. As for a possible Final Fantasy XV? Again, it all depends on how XIII does. 

We do not know if there will be a XV. This depends a lot on the success of XIII. Also, it is difficult to pinpoint elements that are typical Final Fantasy. They are mostly invisible: part of the DNA of the game, that everyone recognizes as typical Final Fantasy. But ifthere is a XV, I hope the way we wrote our characters carries over. We strived to create believable people of flesh and blood. They are not robots. And they are not super heroes. I hope this humanity is something we will see again."

The trouble with your "real" characters though, is that they're simply not remarkable. I'd take a sentient cat puppet that rides on the back of a Moogle over characters that have nothing outstanding about their personality at all. 

Kitase wants to do FFXIII-2 and responds to Western critics [WriteAboutGames]








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Ghost125's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:01
Ghost125
U_U
Sanious's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:05
Sanious
I still haven't played XIII, but I'm more curious about XIII Versus. It came off way more interesting than XIII did and this does.
SedeoInedus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:06
SedeoInedus
When they say that 'for three years [they] have worked on the worked', I sure as hell hope they mean making the engine because the concept for the environments and setting is as limp, juvenile and altogether undeveloped as it gets. I would bet a fair bit that a teenager could draft up a more engaging place than Cocoon in a heartbeat.
SedeoInedus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:07
SedeoInedus
*worked = world
manasteel88's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:08
manasteel88
The way Jim talks about FFXIII makes me think he's not going to give it the automatic 10/10 that multiplatform epics seemingly deserve.

This concept could actually be a good sequel...if only they don't turn it into a bunch of mini-games.
dip's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:08
dip
I'd rather have a prequel tbh. The "Episode Zero" light novel they put out for the game is pretty good and really fleshes out the characters and makes the story much more enjoyable.
Moeez's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:13
Moeez
The last quote is messed up, where does it begin?

I'm not sure, Jim Sterling, that you can say that "the trouble with your 'real' characters though, is they're simply not remarkable" when you have nothing to compare them against. Videogames are not exactly known for their characterisation, and are more known for their design or one-dimensionality. It's giving off your bias of what you want videogame characters to be, all-or-nothing.
Jarmel's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:16
Jarmel
Screw that. Just start on FFXV and fix the damn game from the beginning. Better characters, plot, villains, and more free-roam. I can give an Ekans about the towns or shops. The battle system, graphics, and worlds are great as well as the soundtrack so that is a right direction on those fronts. Get to it SE.

Anyway Jim it seems you're going crack the whip on the game. I'm actually interested to hear your take, well to be fair I'm always interested in negative opinions.
The Silent Protagonist's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:16
The Silent Protagonist
I really just wish Kitase would step down as series writer. He is well past his prime. FFVI and FFVII were where he peaked, FFVIII everyone outside of Squall was a fucking nag, FFX was actually pretty strong except that the two lead characters were the weakest characters.

FFXI and FFXII's stories were a breath of fresh air, there were no emotionally crippled people out to save the world. Kitase had no hand in the stories and THANK GOD.

Even Nomura is showing better storytelling chops these days. I seriously doubt a game like Crisis Core could have been as good as it was were it not for Nomura's insights. Nomura does have a knack for making things convoluted (Kingdom Hearts), but at least his characters are more interesting.

I think the FFXI/FFXIV team (also responsible for FFIX) and the FFXII team are the strongest in SE right now. They're willing to grow beyond the cliches.
Static Jak's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:17
Static Jak
First FF I can think of were I'm left bored and not interested in continuing on. All there is to it is fight after fight in small corridors with different wallpapers which gets repetitive after 20 hours to say the least. With only some CGI to break it up. And even for a JRPG, the story makes fuck all sense.
Gatsby's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:19
Gatsby
Final Fantasy XIII has a fantastic story and an excellent battle system.
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:20
Thane Vickers
Really... it's not necessary.
xxthedudexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:21
xxthedudexx
The characters in XIII are good characters as compared to other FF's because they aren't exaggerated. The battle system doesn't play itself. If you analyze it well, the battle system is like Persona 3's battle system mixed in with the ATB. If you don't know what you're doing with paradigms then you will get eaten alive.
Poe's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:23
Poe
I've been consistently burned by direct FF sequels. FFIV The After Years and FFXII Revenant Wings were kind of a pile of horseshit compared to the games they are based on. FFXV instead plz
lastdual's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:24
lastdual
A big part of the investment, both in time and cash, was the engine for FFXIII. With that out of the way, they could probably pump out a profitable sequel a lot easier, and frankly, it would be a waste not to after going through all that.

I just hope SE moves on to a new title rather than an XIII-2 spin off. I mean, we've already got Versus coming. And if SE was really that strapped for cash, they would just go multiplat with Versus as well.
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:25
Thane Vickers
But I really have to ask.. I'm not trolling, I swear... But does anyone elses' PS3 FFXIII crash all-the-fucking-time?
Smo5000's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:28
Smo5000
"We strived to create believable people of flesh and blood. They are not robots. And they are not super heroes."

thats what they were going for?? because they just came across as dramatic anime-heroes

they are not superheroes but they cut through huge robots with their swords!
SedeoInedus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:28
SedeoInedus
How anyone could say that Snow in particular isn't overexaggerated beggars belief. The single biggest cliché in Japanese storytelling for the last three decades and longer holds absolutely no weight whatsoever. Flat flat flat.
esin's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:32
esin
Yep, you need paradigms as well as knowledge of quick attacking and canceling if you want to get anywhere past the game's long tutorial. You will get wrecked if you're one of the morons who thinks you can let the game play for you.

*Spoilers*


Around ch7 Snow seems to show a bit more self-awareness and realizes how stupid he's been. The characters all start to flesh out a bit more at this point. Haven't finished the game yet, but things are looking up.


*Spoilers*
Thane Vickers's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:35
Thane Vickers
And,,, holy shit... has anyone's PS3 wiped 25 hours of save data from said crash? I'm truly at loss for words right now..
evilsephiroth21's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:43
evilsephiroth21
They need to go ahead and finish Final Fantasy XII versus. Im more excited on that one!
sewerraccoon's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:44
sewerraccoon
or... or, squenix.... you could just you know, stop the franchise
Jarmel's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:45
Jarmel
@Robotic
Wow you're just getting an ass rape right now aren't you. I would check that hard-drive, it might be failing.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:48
Jim Sterling
Moeez: Come back to me when you understand how to use the word bias.
Corak's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:48
Corak
Shocking that a Japanese game would have Japanese clichés in it right? Its not a western game, if you went in expecting that well then I don't know what to tell you. I've been through a few random deaths in the game by not paying attention to what was going on. After the initial hand holding the battle system did start to grow on me.
XanderSan's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:50
XanderSan
Just this month, we have Infinte Space, Shin Megami Tensei, Sakura Taisen, End of Eternity and Lunar PSP released. Those are the ones I remember, as I keep for some reason forgetting Fragile at the very least. Each one could not be more different from each other, all surrounding a genre that most people seem to berate for being the same linear cookie cutter work each time.

I sort of don't need Final Fantasy XIII to be anything more than it wants to be. I can always just play something else. Let them make the sequel whatever the hell they want to.
JiR INC's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:51
JiR INC
just work on Verses for now do XIII-2 later...jeez keep on track
SedeoInedus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:53
SedeoInedus
No, it's shocking that they think those clichés aren't clichés. You don't seem to understand the point and frankly it's pathetic how many people are confusing these arguments for anti-Japanese biases. It's nothing to do with the tradition of the characters; it's to do with the belief of the developers and their scriptwriters that they have made deep, thoughtful characters when they have done nothing but rehash the the same stylised characters.
SedeoInedus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:54
SedeoInedus
No, it's shocking that they think those clichés aren't clichés. You don't seem to understand the point and frankly it's pathetic how many people are confusing these arguments for anti-Japanese biases. It's nothing to do with the tradition of the characters; it's to do with the belief of the developers and their scriptwriters that they have made deep, thoughtful characters when they have done nothing but rehash the the same stylised characters.
SedeoInedus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:54
SedeoInedus
No, it's shocking that they think those clichés aren't clichés. You don't seem to understand the point and frankly it's pathetic how many people are confusing these arguments for anti-Japanese biases. It's nothing to do with the tradition of the characters; it's to do with the belief of the developers and their scriptwriters that they have made deep, thoughtful characters when they have done nothing but rehash the the same stylised characters.
SedeoInedus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:55
SedeoInedus
Apologies for that, iPhone playing up
Smo5000's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:55
Smo5000
@ esin

come on, it isnt that hard dude, it definitely has a learning curve but i cant imagine an RPG-player getting stumped on this game. i've had a harder time with DA:O
Zeta Crossfire's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 10:57
Zeta Crossfire
YES! please! I'm almost done with disk 2 and this is already is my favorite FF game and in my top 10. Such a gooooood game.
Airbr1dge's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:00
Airbr1dge
NO. Try need a new ip. A Final Fantasy spiritual successer:
CRAZYAPE69's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:00
CRAZYAPE69
really jim... really? this isn't news.. it was inevitable seeing how well this would sell.
Jim Sterling's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:02
Jim Sterling
Thanks for telling me what my job entails, Crazyape!

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matty125's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:04
matty125
Agreed about the characters, Jimbo. I kind of twitched when he said "But if there is a XV, I hope the way we wrote our characters carries over."

I really, honestly, can not relate to any of the FF characters since X, and that's okay if the characters are "believable", but I really hate to think they are if X, XII and XIII are anything to go by.
SedeoInedus's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:06
SedeoInedus
Heaven forbid there should be any discussion...
Enkido's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:07
Enkido
Would very much like Versus XIII first please.
xxthedudexx's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:15
xxthedudexx
I think it's funny that people think that the FFXIII characters are bland. Do any of you even remember VIII? Only Squall and Rinoa were developed (Laguna too if you count him). Every other character was left in the dark.
matty125's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:21
matty125
"Preliminary day one sales are in for Final Fantasy XIII, and with around 290,000 units sold on PS3 and 160,000 units sold on Xbox360 it looks like the title is a success."
http://news.vgchartz.com/news.php?id=7369&mp=1

Honestly, I really hope they have a clear idea of what they're doing if/when XV comes around.
HeilHiggie's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:26
HeilHiggie
I don't really get the XIII hatred concerning the characters/story. I feel it is more the userping of western-developed RPGs in the gamer's minds than actual holes in the character development. Granted, Snow is infatuated with the term "hero", and Vanille sure is whiney, but just coming off of playing both Tales of Vesperia and Star Ocean, FF13 is definately more geared towards someone of my age group (31), which is something most JRPGs couldn't say.

Don't get me wrong; I feel XIII is a step back from XII and in general causes one to wonder when the actual role-playing comes into effect (I am on hour 15). However, I feel that the design decisions came with a few godsends. In particular the retry options is a feature I'd like to see in all future RPGs, but I am getting off point. The story is not overly dramatic (I am looking at you, twins of Lost Odyssey), the background notes are informative AND precise (how many of us actually read all that Dragon Age had to offer) and while there are no Judges- level villians to speak of, the philosophy of Cocoon is the true enemy, and fighting a mindset is truely epic.
HeilHiggie's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:30
HeilHiggie
Also, I liked the setup of ordinary characters in extrodinary circumstances. It makes the story more personal for me.
HEL105's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:36
HEL105
I'd welcome a sequel to XIII. What's the point of creating these detailed worlds, and visiting them only once or twice? I liked X-2, as well, because revisitng characters and stories that I'm already invested in = win. As someone said above, Revenant Wings was pretty mediocre, though.
KupoCheer's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:37
KupoCheer
Isn't it possible to just... I dunno... do the next full game in the series on the same graphics engine with the same combat system? Isn't that something most developers do?

Personally, I'd like to see them diverge to another series and drop all of the conventions that the Final Fantasy name seems to bring with it.
silvain's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:37
silvain
I'm predicting ffxv will be ds2 or a psp title. Their margins aren't good enough for more of this, I would expect. Much like dq
KirbyMcDope's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:42
KirbyMcDope
I'm 15 hours into the game now and yeah, characters suck fucking balls and that's ok, I guess, because I got used to that in FF. In fact, I hate all characters of FF franchise, except for mugles, chocobos and Vivi. But cgi in XIII is so beautiful i can't even
And I love that whole stuff with fal'cie, these fucking arcane ancient beings(?) or whatever the fuck they are. Also I dig that new dynamic battle system, it's actually not that simple, it's just more fast-paced. Even if you're using auto function constantly, you can't just win simply by pressing X. You reveal enemy's weaknesses first, then you choose the right formation and ONLY THEN you're pressing X to win, eheh.
It's more like you're directing and shaping the battle, but you still can do all this stuff manually.
That reminds me how people were complaining about detective mode in Batman:AA, that it made things just too easy. But it's all optional, no one's forcing you to use it.

I'm not saying I love the game, it's pretty crappy compared to other ff's, and I wouldn't want to see another FF like this. But it's not all that bad either.
GRiVEN's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:51
GRiVEN
I would like to see a sequel. I haven't enjoyed a Final Fantasy game like XIII, since IX. I like the world they've crafted. It something like Suikoden/Persona/Final Fantasy. I think that in a sequel, the main issue (lack of exploration) could easily be addressed.

I don't understand people saying the game plays itself. I think you would easily die at boss battles using auto-battle. Not only that, but why would you use auto-battle? Aren't you missing the point of RPGs if you just constantly choose auto-battle? I think it was intended to make weak encounters less tedious, without having to flee.

I really don't understand the hate for this game. The character progression has been pretty good, almost like a TV drama. And the gameplay itself reminds me of an improved Persona 3, without the dating sim element.

I hope the game does well, and they get another chance to iron out some of the things Final Fantasy fans don't like. It's a good game. I'd rather see a sequel to XIII than a remake of VII.
Moeez's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 11:53
Moeez
Jim: There's not much choice for characters in videogames. They'll all be cliches, whether they're Western or Japanese cliches. So, you won't find "remarkable" characters in popular videogames, or at least as a common thing. Same goes for the movie industry. Therefore, your standards might be a little too high. And is it really wise for letting your opinion on the game already be known, before the review? Kind of discredits it, don't you think?
True Axiom's Avatar - Comment posted on 03/13/2010 12:04
True Axiom
XIII is very much a long form video game, in that if you play it for ten hours (the apparently length of a great game nowadays) it'll be awful. They had some trouble with pacing, but once it gets going (and it takes a while for that to happen, admittedly), it becomes one of the better games. Like, there's a low water mark, around 12 hours, and right after that everything becomes cool again.

The characters are...I'd say the best part of it (except the whole killing system, which is possibly the most strategic of all of them, once you have to do things), but with a major caveat. The problem isn't the characters, it's that they only interact with each other. They don't interact with the level design, they don't interact with NPCs, and that makes them begin to feel stale and "boring" quicker, despite many of them possibly being the most realistic characters in video games. Which is depressing, because they did it right, for once.
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