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I'll say that the PSN isn't a "failure", but it's definitely inferior to Live. That being said, Team Meat are far from crybabies.
If Team Meat are crybabies then this guy is an outright bleeding cunt. Can't these people just shut the fuck up and make video games?
@Gene Eric
Not when they're flat out demonstrably wrong.
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/02/09/psn-sales-figures-announced/
"The figure, which includes PSN games (but excludes PSOne titles) shows ‘significant growth’ for the platform, with FADE (Forecasting & Analyzing Digital Entertainment) suggesting that year-on-year growth during the second half of the year was 40%, outpacing Xbox Live Arcade’s 18% increase."
"Ubisoft’s ‘Scott Pilgrim vs. The World’ was, says FADE, the “best selling title for the 2nd half of 2010 with 190,000 units sold”, with XBLA title ‘Castle Crashers’ the top-grossing game for the 2nd half of last year, earning $2.1 million USD “from an estimated 143,000 units sold”."
The article is worth a read. This guy isn't spouting opinions. He's spouting outright falsehoods.
Not when they're flat out demonstrably wrong.
http://www.thesixthaxis.com/2011/02/09/psn-sales-figures-announced/
"The figure, which includes PSN games (but excludes PSOne titles) shows ‘significant growth’ for the platform, with FADE (Forecasting & Analyzing Digital Entertainment) suggesting that year-on-year growth during the second half of the year was 40%, outpacing Xbox Live Arcade’s 18% increase."
"Ubisoft’s ‘Scott Pilgrim vs. The World’ was, says FADE, the “best selling title for the 2nd half of 2010 with 190,000 units sold”, with XBLA title ‘Castle Crashers’ the top-grossing game for the 2nd half of last year, earning $2.1 million USD “from an estimated 143,000 units sold”."
The article is worth a read. This guy isn't spouting opinions. He's spouting outright falsehoods.
I guess spouting their opinions is fine, it's just...what is this going to do in the long run? Will it allow them to make better games? For me, they should just like what they like and enjoy making games where they want to and how they want. Team Meat doesn't like XBLA, another company does. Great. Can we move on from this already?
Big talk from a no-name dev. Also, XBLIG has a handful good games but most are absolute shit because its so open.
Also, SMB is actually a good game and for someone who hasn't released a single game to bash someone who ACTUALLY HAS MADE a good game is also childish. SMB has great precision in their platforming while Nine Dots' game "Brand", a Castlevania wannabe, looks like it doesn't.
Yup, these people are just ruffling some feathers for some free publicity.
Also, SMB is actually a good game and for someone who hasn't released a single game to bash someone who ACTUALLY HAS MADE a good game is also childish. SMB has great precision in their platforming while Nine Dots' game "Brand", a Castlevania wannabe, looks like it doesn't.
Yup, these people are just ruffling some feathers for some free publicity.
"But among a lot of people I know in the indie community, SMB is perceived very negatively for their childish and egocentric behavior."
That is why they have worked with some of the most critically acclaimed people in the indie game scene on more than one occasion. That is why just last night they had a "lets give out a bunch of shit for free for no reason whatsoever war" with Notch from minecraft on twitter where the folks from Team Meat, Minecraft, and Bastion all gave out a total of about 100 codes for free games.
Because the indie scene hates them. Yeaaaaah....
That is why they have worked with some of the most critically acclaimed people in the indie game scene on more than one occasion. That is why just last night they had a "lets give out a bunch of shit for free for no reason whatsoever war" with Notch from minecraft on twitter where the folks from Team Meat, Minecraft, and Bastion all gave out a total of about 100 codes for free games.
Because the indie scene hates them. Yeaaaaah....
Uhm....who are these guys again?
Anyway I wouldn't call psn a failure, but it is vastly inferior to XBLA.
Anyway I wouldn't call psn a failure, but it is vastly inferior to XBLA.
@Tristrix
You are citing a Sony fan blog using "estimates" for sales figures as your source for an unbiased opinion?
I can see your stance on the subject is entirely neutral. /sarcasm
You are citing a Sony fan blog using "estimates" for sales figures as your source for an unbiased opinion?
I can see your stance on the subject is entirely neutral. /sarcasm
@TheRemedy
http://www.gamerzines.com/ps3/news/psn-sales-figures-august.html
There ya go grumpypants. Similar article from a neutral site. Google-Fu is magical.
http://www.gamerzines.com/ps3/news/psn-sales-figures-august.html
There ya go grumpypants. Similar article from a neutral site. Google-Fu is magical.
http://ninedotsstudio.com/ this is their site, it actually took a bit of searching to find it. They have a game scheduled to come to Xbox live soon called "Brand" which is probably one of the reasons they are trying to drum up attention.
Honestly though, while the game looks "interesting" the thing looks like a 3rd rate metroidvania attempt but without any of the cohesive artstyle of either Metroid or Castlevania. Mismatched music for the trailer gives low hopes to its atmosphere. And the camera is downright crap, they need to fire whoever throught of adding "shakey cam" to the gameplay. I do hope that the game succeeds and I wish them the best in their future releases, but if Brand is going to release soon then they have a lot of hurdles to jump very quickly to make it more than a game that looks good in screenshots and nothing else.
Honestly though, while the game looks "interesting" the thing looks like a 3rd rate metroidvania attempt but without any of the cohesive artstyle of either Metroid or Castlevania. Mismatched music for the trailer gives low hopes to its atmosphere. And the camera is downright crap, they need to fire whoever throught of adding "shakey cam" to the gameplay. I do hope that the game succeeds and I wish them the best in their future releases, but if Brand is going to release soon then they have a lot of hurdles to jump very quickly to make it more than a game that looks good in screenshots and nothing else.
I have worked in a business before and while $10,000 sounds like a lot for a company starting out, I also work in IT and the cost of a couple of switches is easily that if not more. While I don't know they first thing about coding, I do know that there are languages that cost money and time to train in and ones that are more open source in orientation. I seriously think this is much ado about nothing.
Yes I am a PS3 player. I think the marketplace selection is okay when compared to the Xbox.
Yes I am a PS3 player. I think the marketplace selection is okay when compared to the Xbox.
@TheRemedy
And your stance is... what? The opposite of Tristrix's "neutral?"
I mean, I'm all for pointing out flaws in other peoples' methodologies (in this case sources cited) but to do as much about which site is linked... I mean, it takes 20 seconds to find an alternative link with similar or opposing information.
Instead of competing in this I shall simply post a picture.
And your stance is... what? The opposite of Tristrix's "neutral?"
I mean, I'm all for pointing out flaws in other peoples' methodologies (in this case sources cited) but to do as much about which site is linked... I mean, it takes 20 seconds to find an alternative link with similar or opposing information.
Instead of competing in this I shall simply post a picture.
@Tristix
I'm with Epic. I don't think PSN is a failure, but i prefer XBLA games to it.
@Cody
Really? Are we still going with the "microsoft moneyhats" angle again?
I'm with Epic. I don't think PSN is a failure, but i prefer XBLA games to it.
@Cody
Really? Are we still going with the "microsoft moneyhats" angle again?
I liked Super Meat Boy a lot. I even own a meat boy shirt, but I cannot stand the way Team Meat is struggling to stay relevant without actually making new content.
Looks like someone's parents never loved them. PSN isn't as good as XBLA in terms of indie games, but they have a lot of old games to make up for that. They're pretty good to me. Can't really vouch for Team Meat though, but I'm more than likely to take sides with them since they're pretty cool doods.
@Gene Eric
Preference is perfectly cool. I'd never argue with you on that. I'm simply pointing out that this guy Jim is quoting in the article is a lying asshat because as far as sales figures go, XBLA and PSN are damn near even on multiplatform sales. Quote from the article I linked earlier...
“Today, that advantage is nearly even with first-month typical sales being 55/45 among new titles like ‘Costume Quest’, ‘Pac-Man CE DX’, and ‘X-Men Arcade’” said Benjamin Schlichter, Director of Research & Analysis at FADE LLC.
Preference is perfectly cool. I'd never argue with you on that. I'm simply pointing out that this guy Jim is quoting in the article is a lying asshat because as far as sales figures go, XBLA and PSN are damn near even on multiplatform sales. Quote from the article I linked earlier...
“Today, that advantage is nearly even with first-month typical sales being 55/45 among new titles like ‘Costume Quest’, ‘Pac-Man CE DX’, and ‘X-Men Arcade’” said Benjamin Schlichter, Director of Research & Analysis at FADE LLC.
This guy sounds like the Crybaby to me.
Either way PSN is not even close to a failure. I personally like it better than Live,and it's free.
As a gamer,you can never complain about free ;D
Either way PSN is not even close to a failure. I personally like it better than Live,and it's free.
As a gamer,you can never complain about free ;D
Why should anyone care what he has to say? If it was someone reputable like Ken Levine, John Carmack, Cliffy "8.0" B., or someone like that THEN I would listen, but this dude seems no different than any other "I can use Twitter" asshole on the internet.
After his bullshit game comes out, I think Team Meat should send him a cake of Meat Boy giving the finger and it should be delivered by Kevin Butler.
After his bullshit game comes out, I think Team Meat should send him a cake of Meat Boy giving the finger and it should be delivered by Kevin Butler.
This seems as a guy desperate for attention to me. We is yet to launch a game and by being cited we garners attention to his company and maybe some sales of people trying to see what this guy is about.
Not knowing the games at offer in the LIVE, I can't say how much better their offer is, but PSN have some great titles too.
Not knowing the games at offer in the LIVE, I can't say how much better their offer is, but PSN have some great titles too.
XBLA, PSN, Steam, and WiiWare have all been successful for some developers, and failures for others. Pointing out which games have sold well on which platforms while theorizing on the reasons for their respective successes and failures is a lot more interesting than just slamming them, isn't it?
As for calling Team Meat crybabies, and saying other developers also don't like them, that is easily the most spiteful and reprehensible thing I've ever seen a game developer say about another developer. It smacks of a desperate need for attention, an unhealthy level of competitiveness, and among other things, no standards for one's own behavior.
If these guys think it's OK to publicly say something that dumb, mean, and lame, I wonder what kind of games they'll make? Personally, I am not optimistic.
As for calling Team Meat crybabies, and saying other developers also don't like them, that is easily the most spiteful and reprehensible thing I've ever seen a game developer say about another developer. It smacks of a desperate need for attention, an unhealthy level of competitiveness, and among other things, no standards for one's own behavior.
If these guys think it's OK to publicly say something that dumb, mean, and lame, I wonder what kind of games they'll make? Personally, I am not optimistic.
He probably couldn't afford to pay for advertising for his game and hopes that this will stir up enough attention for a few purchases rather than hoping that the quality of the game is enough to have word of mouth spread its popularity.
Well apparently that Guillaume dude has Activision-Blizzard as one of his previously worked for companies and well, looking at their blog their game looks half decent (reserving judgement as they only have screenshots).
As for PSN being a failure? I wouldn't say that, they have a big range of good games and regardless of how 'strict' MS are, I thought the whole idea of games design was shipping out a product that gives your customers the best value possible, not working to appease the almighty Microsoft gods or whatever nonsense is being spat out from him.
Either way, I don't think we'll be seeing 'Brand' coming to PSN any time soon ;)
As for PSN being a failure? I wouldn't say that, they have a big range of good games and regardless of how 'strict' MS are, I thought the whole idea of games design was shipping out a product that gives your customers the best value possible, not working to appease the almighty Microsoft gods or whatever nonsense is being spat out from him.
Either way, I don't think we'll be seeing 'Brand' coming to PSN any time soon ;)
I assumed that was the Royal We, manwithnoname. As in:
We have yet to launch a game because We have been too busy scratching the Royal Ass and playing Ico/Shadow of the Colossus HD Collection. We are not amused.
We have yet to launch a game because We have been too busy scratching the Royal Ass and playing Ico/Shadow of the Colossus HD Collection. We are not amused.
@manwithnoname
Both has its share of great games. The standouts being Wipeout for the PSN and Treasure's classic games like Ikaruga on XBLA
Both has its share of great games. The standouts being Wipeout for the PSN and Treasure's classic games like Ikaruga on XBLA
@Max- They have a video trailer go look again.
@Alex Celeski wow, if you are a fan than you really need to keep up with them. Not only did they JUST release a new game (lol struggling to stay relevant) but they have said they have a large plan for celebrating the 1year aniversary of Super Meat Boy.
@Alex Celeski wow, if you are a fan than you really need to keep up with them. Not only did they JUST release a new game (lol struggling to stay relevant) but they have said they have a large plan for celebrating the 1year aniversary of Super Meat Boy.
This guy hasn't seen the amount of crap on XBLIG if he thinks PSN has low standards.
Either way his game looks like complete crap, why isn't it on PSN if they have such low standards?
Either way his game looks like complete crap, why isn't it on PSN if they have such low standards?
Yeah, that's right, I haven't heard of him. And now I'm kind of hard-pressed to come up with a reason why I should know about him at all.
Was there a good reason to make me aware of this man? I mean, beyond the fact that he's being a little obnoxious? Is there a game he's working on or something topical he's doing that relates to his statements? He's expressing an opinion on something that's been getting a lot of attention recently (Sony's development relationships), but there's nothing he said that's really thought provoking or interesting. I honestly can't tell if you're giving this guy a soapbox, using him as a proxy for your own, or if you're just trying to capture a little more of this ongoing thing with Sony for late-comers.
Help me here, Jim, please. I really do mean it; I'm not being sarcastic or facetious. I want to know why this man's opinion is poignant enough to warrant your attention, and perforce mine as a reader here. Is it really just the novelty of no PR standing between his opinion and the world? Is it about what he can say as opposed to what he actually said? Because that would be interesting.
Was there a good reason to make me aware of this man? I mean, beyond the fact that he's being a little obnoxious? Is there a game he's working on or something topical he's doing that relates to his statements? He's expressing an opinion on something that's been getting a lot of attention recently (Sony's development relationships), but there's nothing he said that's really thought provoking or interesting. I honestly can't tell if you're giving this guy a soapbox, using him as a proxy for your own, or if you're just trying to capture a little more of this ongoing thing with Sony for late-comers.
Help me here, Jim, please. I really do mean it; I'm not being sarcastic or facetious. I want to know why this man's opinion is poignant enough to warrant your attention, and perforce mine as a reader here. Is it really just the novelty of no PR standing between his opinion and the world? Is it about what he can say as opposed to what he actually said? Because that would be interesting.
I dont even know who Nine Dot Studios is, but i have bought great PSN titles that worked as they should...so who is the complete failure?
Seriously though, game developers should not be attacking eachother like politicians. Choose your side, make games, and enjoy the best of both worlds.
Seriously though, game developers should not be attacking eachother like politicians. Choose your side, make games, and enjoy the best of both worlds.
@Eternal - Just scrolled down after reading your post :p and yeah, the music don't fit, though the animations seem to go well with the music how the character is electric sliding all over the place, ah well if this game bombs then I suppose Mr. Boucher-Vidal will be having his own words for dinner :D
Xbox Live: Better but paid
PSN: Inferior but free
Do we not understand this yet?
Nine Dots Studios, I would like to see you try to make a game for PSN and XBL. Then come back and tell us this.
PSN: Inferior but free
Do we not understand this yet?
Nine Dots Studios, I would like to see you try to make a game for PSN and XBL. Then come back and tell us this.
Who the fuck does he think he is?! Hands off Team Meat, sir! You have the right to have your opinion, but I demand you back them up. Why are professional developers taking part in a "console war"? Developers should know the way of the market better than gamers who want to defend their purchases. There are benefits and downsides to both Sony and Microsoft. Perhaps for some devs, the balance is skewed based on how they've been treated which is perfectly understandable. However, devs shouldn't be up in arms against each other. They're all part of this community and allegiances to faceless corporations should break apart what could have been a good chance to get something going.
Mr. Boucher-Vidal, you've gotten the PR you want. Now show us what you've got.
Mr. Boucher-Vidal, you've gotten the PR you want. Now show us what you've got.
Who the fuck does he think he is?! Hands off Team Meat, sir! You have the right to have your opinion, but I demand you back them up. Why are professional developers taking part in a "console war"? Developers should know the way of the market better than gamers who want to defend their purchases. There are benefits and downsides to both Sony and Microsoft. Perhaps for some devs, the balance is skewed based on how they've been treated which is perfectly understandable. However, devs shouldn't be up in arms against each other. They're all part of this community and allegiances to faceless corporations shouldn't break apart what could have been a good chance to get something going.
Mr. Boucher-Vidal, you've gotten the PR you want. Now show us what you've got.
Mr. Boucher-Vidal, you've gotten the PR you want. Now show us what you've got.
The greatest problem with the posture this guy is having is that we is closing doors in the future. He is not Gabe Newell or Bobby Kotick who can say such stupid things because they have top seller software. If his game fails at LIVE, or if Microsoft make a huge mistake and gets out of the market, to whom he will run to?
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