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I still don't understand how people think Anonymous is a group of people. It's anyone who cares to call themselves Anonymous and they drop the title just as fast when shit goes down. It's a type of person, the kind who wear Guy Fawkes masks NOT because they believed in his message, but because they thought it looked cool in V for Vendetta and they think it portrays some vague message they have.
Wait, so they attacked the users? No wait... what kind of information is stored in that site anyway? Why is there personal information stored in a fan site?
This is a Hacker free for all.
Micheals (the retail store) just claimed 20,000 debit cards might have been stolen along with personal data.
Did somebody just figure out he could get away with this crap?
Micheals (the retail store) just claimed 20,000 debit cards might have been stolen along with personal data.
Did somebody just figure out he could get away with this crap?
Escapist actually has a lot of info on this, including a IRC chat log of the people who did it. You might wanna check it out.
Well there is only one way this can go now Jim, and that is XBOX Live getting hacked and personal information stolen. That would be something else. Maybe then there would be some real intention by the gaming industry to get things moving in a more aggressive direction against hackers.
Identity mining will be a "thing" anywhere security is lax enough to allow it, plain and simple. There's a reason why more convenience stores are robbed than gun stores.
Also, not all hackers are identity thieves or nefarious asshats. At some point in the future, maybe we'll stop falling for the industry's "blame the hackers" BS arguments the same way most people started to get tired of the "blame 'terrorists' for everything" BS. I remember when hacking your own games was cool, they sold a lot of Game Genies back in the day.
Also, not all hackers are identity thieves or nefarious asshats. At some point in the future, maybe we'll stop falling for the industry's "blame the hackers" BS arguments the same way most people started to get tired of the "blame 'terrorists' for everything" BS. I remember when hacking your own games was cool, they sold a lot of Game Genies back in the day.
...Or it would be nice if game companies put on their big boy pants and took protection of personal information seriously.
@ scorserboots
Yeah, that would be the next step, lets hope for the Xbox guys that they dont really have to put up with the same bullshit as I have with the PS3. Its not all that fun.
Yeah, that would be the next step, lets hope for the Xbox guys that they dont really have to put up with the same bullshit as I have with the PS3. Its not all that fun.
Yeah, apparently they are turning on each other and I'm not sure if that's bad or good. Possibly some form of twisted ethics might have kept them in line in terms of victim selection, but now it appears that it's everyone for themselves and the wolves in among the sheep are becoming more obvious.
@Jack - They're an organization with no real pecking order. You can be a part of the group and still do things they wouldn't approve of.
Think of it like this. Westboro Baptist Church calls themselves Christians and don't represent the ideals all that well. Do you think other Christians like that? Nope, but does other Christians not liking what they do not make Westboro nutjobs Christians?
Unfortunately no.
Kind of the same thing with Anonymous. Anyone can join so anyone can go off calling themselves part of the group. They can go hack anything and then just pin the blame on the group. Sucks, but little to be done about that.
Really, though, if you want to hack something, go hack that sniper game no one wants or asked for. Leave DX:HR alone.
Think of it like this. Westboro Baptist Church calls themselves Christians and don't represent the ideals all that well. Do you think other Christians like that? Nope, but does other Christians not liking what they do not make Westboro nutjobs Christians?
Unfortunately no.
Kind of the same thing with Anonymous. Anyone can join so anyone can go off calling themselves part of the group. They can go hack anything and then just pin the blame on the group. Sucks, but little to be done about that.
Really, though, if you want to hack something, go hack that sniper game no one wants or asked for. Leave DX:HR alone.
@thelegendarybiohazard
While hackers are an issue, assinie Internet shit talkers like you are just a much of an issue. Oh, but this is okay because it's not Sony, the golden god that didn't bring the PSN outage upon itself. The publishers and developers that actually MAKE the games for the platform don't matter at all. Not one bit.
"hackers are shitheads that need to be killed"
Do you hear how childish you sound? Even more childish than some egotistical hacker who feels the need to victimize others to validate themselves, wishing death on another so freely highlights the fact that you are weak.
Keep it up fanboy.
While hackers are an issue, assinie Internet shit talkers like you are just a much of an issue. Oh, but this is okay because it's not Sony, the golden god that didn't bring the PSN outage upon itself. The publishers and developers that actually MAKE the games for the platform don't matter at all. Not one bit.
"hackers are shitheads that need to be killed"
Do you hear how childish you sound? Even more childish than some egotistical hacker who feels the need to victimize others to validate themselves, wishing death on another so freely highlights the fact that you are weak.
Keep it up fanboy.
OMG, EIDOS. WHY DO YOU HAVE SUCH CRAPPY SECURITY. THE FREAKING HACKER JUST WALKED IN AND GOT THE DATA. DO YOU HAVE FREAKIN PANDAS AS YOUR CYBER SECURITY OR SOMETHING?!!
WTF OMG.
Let's blame the Victim here too, guys.
WTF OMG.
Let's blame the Victim here too, guys.
@OneRed
The problem here is that there seem to be adequate security (if you believe the Sony side of things, we really don't know yet 100%), and the hackers are still getting personal information and credit card info.
Also, I really don't think hacking games has been cool at all. We all know about the hacking devices from the past. To me it is equal to little gaming skills to hack a game. The last time I played Modern Warfare on 360 people were openly hacking the game to the point it tells you on the HUD that so and so has a hack and they got it from such and such address via youtube. Pathetic really why people hack games.
The problem here is that there seem to be adequate security (if you believe the Sony side of things, we really don't know yet 100%), and the hackers are still getting personal information and credit card info.
Also, I really don't think hacking games has been cool at all. We all know about the hacking devices from the past. To me it is equal to little gaming skills to hack a game. The last time I played Modern Warfare on 360 people were openly hacking the game to the point it tells you on the HUD that so and so has a hack and they got it from such and such address via youtube. Pathetic really why people hack games.
I'll admit I've gotten a snide sense of amusement from Sony's steamrolling, but I don't really see the point behind this one. At least Sony has been guilty of assholery in the past. Eidos hasn't antagonized anyone as far as I know.
I really wanto to know what Eidos did to piss of hackers, as many people here points tha hackers only goes for people who piss them off.
I remember a time when hackers where viewed with some kind of respect... I can see that time coming to an end real fast... Chippy1337 is just a spoiled and annoying brat! At least with the sony attacks the hackers could get some money this is just for bragging rights... It's getting really annoying really fast. I just hope they don't decide to target Microsoft next...
@DrunkPunk
Information they took from PC Gamer - The Escapists "news room" is a complete joke; it's either sensationalist drivel Fox News style [I recall the story they ran about Microsoft putting out a standard phishing warning and trying to spin it to claim hackers cold steal your credit card details in-game] or copy and pasted from other sites. I mean they don't claim the site was hacked, they immediately claimed "Anonymous hacked..." despite the fact they don't seem intelligent enough to realize Anonymous is not a group...
Anyway regarding this; it's ridiculous, simply because there seems to be no ulterior motive.
Information they took from PC Gamer - The Escapists "news room" is a complete joke; it's either sensationalist drivel Fox News style [I recall the story they ran about Microsoft putting out a standard phishing warning and trying to spin it to claim hackers cold steal your credit card details in-game] or copy and pasted from other sites. I mean they don't claim the site was hacked, they immediately claimed "Anonymous hacked..." despite the fact they don't seem intelligent enough to realize Anonymous is not a group...
Anyway regarding this; it's ridiculous, simply because there seems to be no ulterior motive.
Lol @ blogs talking about Anonymous as if it's the KKK or al-Qaeda or NAMBLA or PETA or some such.
It's safe to say that this is not the work of Anonymous per se. While almost any person on the planet could do things in the name of Anonymous, there have been very few attacks like this done under Anonymous' banner and when something is done by the "proper Anonymous" (not that there really is such a thing, but you get the idea) they don't put a name to it. Most activity by Anonymous to date has been outing paedophiles and scam artists, helping to track down wanted criminals, generally ruining the lives of people who arguably deserved it, taking down Fox and protesting against Scientology. "They" (again, lol) are not in the business of stealing mass amounts of personal data from random businesses.
Again, whoever did do this could easily say they are part of Anonymous and they technically would not be lying as literally any person with an internet connection could be considered part of Anonymous, but it almost certainly was no centralised and organised part of Anonymous and even if they do say they are Anonymous they are undoubtedly different people to the protesting, paedophile baiting mass ranks of Anons.
Yes, it does rather annoy me that "Anonymous" is becoming a byword for "hacker" and yes, it does rather annoy me that not one single damn gaming blog can get its head around the idea that almost by definition it's impossible for their to be "civil wars" withing Anonymous and so forth.
As for this case in particular: meh. Probably just some script kiddie who figured they'd add to the mayhem while PSN's down. Chances of them actually doing anything with users' data is minimal.
It's safe to say that this is not the work of Anonymous per se. While almost any person on the planet could do things in the name of Anonymous, there have been very few attacks like this done under Anonymous' banner and when something is done by the "proper Anonymous" (not that there really is such a thing, but you get the idea) they don't put a name to it. Most activity by Anonymous to date has been outing paedophiles and scam artists, helping to track down wanted criminals, generally ruining the lives of people who arguably deserved it, taking down Fox and protesting against Scientology. "They" (again, lol) are not in the business of stealing mass amounts of personal data from random businesses.
Again, whoever did do this could easily say they are part of Anonymous and they technically would not be lying as literally any person with an internet connection could be considered part of Anonymous, but it almost certainly was no centralised and organised part of Anonymous and even if they do say they are Anonymous they are undoubtedly different people to the protesting, paedophile baiting mass ranks of Anons.
Yes, it does rather annoy me that "Anonymous" is becoming a byword for "hacker" and yes, it does rather annoy me that not one single damn gaming blog can get its head around the idea that almost by definition it's impossible for their to be "civil wars" withing Anonymous and so forth.
As for this case in particular: meh. Probably just some script kiddie who figured they'd add to the mayhem while PSN's down. Chances of them actually doing anything with users' data is minimal.
@scouserboots
Believing Sony 100% on the matter of "hacking" would be a bad idea. Sony has been evasive, deceptive, and outright untruthful (in regards to the court cases, where flagrant lying has been close to rampant). Sony has been at the forefront of this "blame hackers" movement, quick to deflect any responsibility in the direction not of of nefarious hackers, but hacking in general. It has worked, generally. Sony fans are nearly begging them to clamp down on all gamers and gaming freedom to stop this scurge of evil hackers. A PR stunt for the ages, I'd say.
Also, hacking your games used to be awesome, right up into the PS2 era. It has nothing to do with skill or prowess, and everything to do with having fun with your software. Devices like Game Genie, Gameshark, and Code Breaker allowed console gamers to have the kind of fun PC gamers have always enjoyed. Modding games is still wildly popular and beneficial on the PC side of things, with mind blowing mods for games coming out every day. On consoles? Well, console gamers fall for any scapegoating the hear from the industry, and modders have been made scapegoat of heavily. Some guy ruins your CoD match, and all modders are scum of the earth, the whole notion is sad. Too many things gamers used to have fun with have been demonized this generation.
Believing Sony 100% on the matter of "hacking" would be a bad idea. Sony has been evasive, deceptive, and outright untruthful (in regards to the court cases, where flagrant lying has been close to rampant). Sony has been at the forefront of this "blame hackers" movement, quick to deflect any responsibility in the direction not of of nefarious hackers, but hacking in general. It has worked, generally. Sony fans are nearly begging them to clamp down on all gamers and gaming freedom to stop this scurge of evil hackers. A PR stunt for the ages, I'd say.
Also, hacking your games used to be awesome, right up into the PS2 era. It has nothing to do with skill or prowess, and everything to do with having fun with your software. Devices like Game Genie, Gameshark, and Code Breaker allowed console gamers to have the kind of fun PC gamers have always enjoyed. Modding games is still wildly popular and beneficial on the PC side of things, with mind blowing mods for games coming out every day. On consoles? Well, console gamers fall for any scapegoating the hear from the industry, and modders have been made scapegoat of heavily. Some guy ruins your CoD match, and all modders are scum of the earth, the whole notion is sad. Too many things gamers used to have fun with have been demonized this generation.
I think this was done as an ironic gesture. DX being hacked..... That's the game itself so of course hackers will try to tag it. As to personal data on the forums the info was the normal join a forum data so not exactly your whole life laid out bare.
Not the same as the psn debacle. Sony started a pissing war by suing geohot (legally ambiguous at best) which basically painted a big bullseye on their servers before making sure their servers were as safe as they could make them.
Not the same as the psn debacle. Sony started a pissing war by suing geohot (legally ambiguous at best) which basically painted a big bullseye on their servers before making sure their servers were as safe as they could make them.
Of course it will become "a thing".
With each new security breach, other hackers and data thieves will become braver and braver. People had better get used to this, because it's a crime with little risk if done with skill, and the fact of the matter is that NO network is completely secure. Not as long as hackers keep finding vulnerabilities, and human error continues to be possible.
Not only that, but it's one of the few crimes where the victim will actually take more of the focus and the blame. Much of the internet seems perfectly willing to accept data thieves as "freedom fighters" or something, and governing bodies know they have little chance of catching the actual criminals, so they turn their full attention on the company that got broken into, to demonstrate to the voters that they are "doing something".
So, how many of you guys are going to officially no longer "trust" any party involved with the development of Deus Ex? Gonna have a big protest and refuse to no longer buy their products? Yeah, get used to doing that, because it's not stopping here.
With each new security breach, other hackers and data thieves will become braver and braver. People had better get used to this, because it's a crime with little risk if done with skill, and the fact of the matter is that NO network is completely secure. Not as long as hackers keep finding vulnerabilities, and human error continues to be possible.
Not only that, but it's one of the few crimes where the victim will actually take more of the focus and the blame. Much of the internet seems perfectly willing to accept data thieves as "freedom fighters" or something, and governing bodies know they have little chance of catching the actual criminals, so they turn their full attention on the company that got broken into, to demonstrate to the voters that they are "doing something".
So, how many of you guys are going to officially no longer "trust" any party involved with the development of Deus Ex? Gonna have a big protest and refuse to no longer buy their products? Yeah, get used to doing that, because it's not stopping here.
@OneRed
Did you really just compare hacking a game with a game genie to stealing personal info from a website? How are the two even the same topic? The word hacking? I guess we should just fine Madoff a couple of hundred bucks since he stole tens of billions of dollars...after all, that's what we do to a guy who steals a bicycle.
This entire thing is clearly beyond the scope of most posters here. It doesn't matter what name is getting hit, be it Sony or Eidos or Starbucks. Personal information, the kind used to get things like credit cards, which in turn can fuck your entire life over, is being targeted. The companies involved are not the focus, the info is. You may be 15 and living with mom now but your info can still be used to, again, FUCK YOUR ENTIRE LIFE OVER. It happens every single day. And don't try to laugh it off saying you don't use real info online. Really? Because I bet if this isn't stopped it will move up until it does. You think Facebook can't be hacked? Your school? The IRS?
Being naive isn't a virtue. Nor is outright stupidity or willful ignorance. But hide in your shells and laugh. Just don't expect any sympathy when it happens to you. Because the way most of you seem to think, anyone this happens to deserves it.
Did you really just compare hacking a game with a game genie to stealing personal info from a website? How are the two even the same topic? The word hacking? I guess we should just fine Madoff a couple of hundred bucks since he stole tens of billions of dollars...after all, that's what we do to a guy who steals a bicycle.
This entire thing is clearly beyond the scope of most posters here. It doesn't matter what name is getting hit, be it Sony or Eidos or Starbucks. Personal information, the kind used to get things like credit cards, which in turn can fuck your entire life over, is being targeted. The companies involved are not the focus, the info is. You may be 15 and living with mom now but your info can still be used to, again, FUCK YOUR ENTIRE LIFE OVER. It happens every single day. And don't try to laugh it off saying you don't use real info online. Really? Because I bet if this isn't stopped it will move up until it does. You think Facebook can't be hacked? Your school? The IRS?
Being naive isn't a virtue. Nor is outright stupidity or willful ignorance. But hide in your shells and laugh. Just don't expect any sympathy when it happens to you. Because the way most of you seem to think, anyone this happens to deserves it.
@Montag 451: Actually, the got 350 resumes from people applying to Eidos, which is kind of a whole life laid bare.
@Elvancho
Maybe you didn't read my first post, or you didn't read my second one correctly. I'm calling out people who lump all hackers into the same category, as you've suggested I've done. What I'm saying is that hacking and identity theft are very different things, and this whole "hackers must die, they're killing sweet lady gaming" mentality the cult of gaming is running around with is no different than blaming driving in general for deaths on the road.
Hacking/modding was, and still is an incredible piece of the gaming world. Some guy mining data from a forum and a guy writing code for awesome textures in Oblivion aren't the same, despite Sony's recent efforts to convince people they are.
Maybe you didn't read my first post, or you didn't read my second one correctly. I'm calling out people who lump all hackers into the same category, as you've suggested I've done. What I'm saying is that hacking and identity theft are very different things, and this whole "hackers must die, they're killing sweet lady gaming" mentality the cult of gaming is running around with is no different than blaming driving in general for deaths on the road.
Hacking/modding was, and still is an incredible piece of the gaming world. Some guy mining data from a forum and a guy writing code for awesome textures in Oblivion aren't the same, despite Sony's recent efforts to convince people they are.
This world is just so messed up. You have Tron-wannabe hackers "fighting for the users" by taking to the mega-corporations and you have Saladin-wannabe terrorists "fighting for whatever the fuck they are fighting for" by taking it to the imperialist giants and somehow no matter what the world keeps turning. Somehow we get by without ever learning.
@Dreyfuss McTafferty: I hope it is not a marketing trick. There is already a lot of people afraid of identity thief to Eidos make a stupid stunt like that.
But really, why people still defend those hackers? Porbably only when everybody become a victim of a ciber-crime people will stop defending those assholes.
But really, why people still defend those hackers? Porbably only when everybody become a victim of a ciber-crime people will stop defending those assholes.
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