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If you don't like the numbers, ignore the numbers. It's not that hard, I've even tried it out for you! I do it with just about everything that's critiqued or reviewed, be it movies, books, games or other. Reviewing is tough to keep purely objective and if you accept that, the writing normally gives you a good idea of whether you'll like the item in question, or not.
p.s. My game = 7. I'd probably recommend renting me, rather than buying me outright. I'm filled with repetative gameplay and have obviously been developed for a niche audience in mind.
p.s. My game = 7. I'd probably recommend renting me, rather than buying me outright. I'm filled with repetative gameplay and have obviously been developed for a niche audience in mind.
Luckily, I always hover over links and check out the URL that they link to (good ol’ Firefox status bar). It’s an effort to prevent myself from inadvertently going to phishing sites and the like, but it applies in this case, too. I saw that the text didn’t link to Rev’s review (I was surprised, because — like everyone else — I assumed it did), and consequently, I didn’t click on it.
first of I want to say I love the blog! it is just great:)
I like that you review every game by genre, it makes it more accruate. Because genre like FPS has many many good games, and some really good. and has so many games that it is hard too stand out, but genre like puzzle games has few inn it`s on genre and it makes games stand a lot more out, like puzzle quest which is not a fantastic game compared to games like the orange box but is great inn its own genre. just want too say keep up the great work!
I like that you review every game by genre, it makes it more accruate. Because genre like FPS has many many good games, and some really good. and has so many games that it is hard too stand out, but genre like puzzle games has few inn it`s on genre and it makes games stand a lot more out, like puzzle quest which is not a fantastic game compared to games like the orange box but is great inn its own genre. just want too say keep up the great work!
Great job Linde.
I would like to see one or two other people from the review crew give us a review on Assassin's Creed. This would provide us with an interesting difference in opinion(from Rev's Review, which was awesome :D).
AARON LINDE AND NICK CHESTER! COME ON DOWN! YOU'RE THE NEXT CONTESTANTS ON THE SCORE IS RIGHT!
I would like to see one or two other people from the review crew give us a review on Assassin's Creed. This would provide us with an interesting difference in opinion(from Rev's Review, which was awesome :D).
AARON LINDE AND NICK CHESTER! COME ON DOWN! YOU'RE THE NEXT CONTESTANTS ON THE SCORE IS RIGHT!
I actually really like the review scale now that it has been broken down and explained. I, too, think that the more reviewers the better, especially for big titles, as lots of people here are basing their purchase on the destructoid review, whether that's right or not. But, I understand that this is not always possible.
goddamn this is objective vs subjective discussion is so retarded. not anyone who makes this argument, that "i like to see more subjective reviews" (like someone here actually claimed) or vice versa, doesn't even know what the definition of these words really is.
as soon as you start making these sorts of claims, you're venturing out of reality and into a socio-psychological preconception of what being objective actually means. objectivity can't never be reached, but we can come close to it by reporting observations and presenting them in an . as soon as we try to accomplish an objective evaluation of anything, we have gone out of this territory.
as soon as you start making these sorts of claims, you're venturing out of reality and into a socio-psychological preconception of what being objective actually means. objectivity can't never be reached, but we can come close to it by reporting observations and presenting them in an . as soon as we try to accomplish an objective evaluation of anything, we have gone out of this territory.
I agree entirely with this manifesto. What I still don't agree with, after reading this thoroughly, are any of rev ant's review scores(twilight princess is by absolutely no means below average, assassin's creed is a lot better than slightly above) and nex's cod4 review(due to disparity between the text and the score). I'm not saying any views should be inflicted on anyone, or that people should change their opinion because it's unpopular, but what I'd like is complete solidarity on what each score actually means, and explicit reasoning as to why marks were deducted. I do like most of the reviews, it's just those mentioned left me rather bewildered.
I give this post 4.5 stars out of 5.... or 7.9 DTOID points out of 10... or wtf does it matter?!?!
Mine is just one opinion; something to chew on while your debating whether or not YOU think something is worth the time/money/effort.
It is not the be all end all of opinions and a disgrace to everyone else's thoughts and opinions.
I think this is a silly argument.
Mine is just one opinion; something to chew on while your debating whether or not YOU think something is worth the time/money/effort.
It is not the be all end all of opinions and a disgrace to everyone else's thoughts and opinions.
I think this is a silly argument.
You should link back to this post under every single review you give. Right beneath the score there should be a link to this article....every time....right there....where everyone will see...always...and forever.....so we don't have to hear cries of pain after each review.
You can all send me farts in envelopes: I'm the guy to blame for keeping the scores. Trust me - we would drop them if they we're the industry standard for rating games (and getting reviews syndicated).
I also wanted to let you know that Destructoid will be implementing a system for the "community score" which lets the community score the game as well, so the two numbers can be averaged + the metacritic average to get another valuable perspective on the game's sauce.
I also wanted to let you know that Destructoid will be implementing a system for the "community score" which lets the community score the game as well, so the two numbers can be averaged + the metacritic average to get another valuable perspective on the game's sauce.
Thanks Aaron, hopefully this will quell the uprising just a bit the next time a review on D'toid doesn't mesh with pre-release sentiments. I doubt it, but one can hope.
As for those suggesting mulit-person reviews for more than one opinion of the game, I'd suggest that for regular readers of the site, such a feature more or less exists. While not the same as a full review, the other editors regularly chime in with their opinions of the games that have been reviewed. Let's take Assassin's Creed which kicked up the recent dust storm. So Rev didn't dig it, that's clear, but anyone who read Nex's post yesterday could see how much he was enjoying the game. No, Nex didn't write a review, but if you value his opinion, it's pretty easy to infer he'd recommend playing Assassin's Creed.
As for those suggesting mulit-person reviews for more than one opinion of the game, I'd suggest that for regular readers of the site, such a feature more or less exists. While not the same as a full review, the other editors regularly chime in with their opinions of the games that have been reviewed. Let's take Assassin's Creed which kicked up the recent dust storm. So Rev didn't dig it, that's clear, but anyone who read Nex's post yesterday could see how much he was enjoying the game. No, Nex didn't write a review, but if you value his opinion, it's pretty easy to infer he'd recommend playing Assassin's Creed.
Thank you for stating that a 7 means "good". I hate people who think that a 7 means a game is worthless.
Something to point out, and I'll try to keep from being too bitchycakes about it:
Like Aaron said earlier, the multi-editor reviews are usually very difficult to deal with because it requires buying a copy at street date, and playing through it then. Timeliness is something we aim for here at Destructoid, and save for wildfires preventing a game getting to us, we want the review to go up as close to release date as possible.
Also, us editors are not made of money. We'll pay out of pocket for these games (which I'm perfectly fine with). That means, though, that we can't expect the review crew to be buying 20+ games every month. Our "real" jobs don't pay enough. Well, Rev Anthony is a hitman, so I guess it does work out.
Do you understand? It's just not entirely feasible yet. Places like 1UP can do that because they're all in the same office. I'd love to have a videogame slumber party with Rev and Linde, but they're all the way in Arizona and Washington, while I'm in New Jersey.
Like Aaron said earlier, the multi-editor reviews are usually very difficult to deal with because it requires buying a copy at street date, and playing through it then. Timeliness is something we aim for here at Destructoid, and save for wildfires preventing a game getting to us, we want the review to go up as close to release date as possible.
Also, us editors are not made of money. We'll pay out of pocket for these games (which I'm perfectly fine with). That means, though, that we can't expect the review crew to be buying 20+ games every month. Our "real" jobs don't pay enough. Well, Rev Anthony is a hitman, so I guess it does work out.
Do you understand? It's just not entirely feasible yet. Places like 1UP can do that because they're all in the same office. I'd love to have a videogame slumber party with Rev and Linde, but they're all the way in Arizona and Washington, while I'm in New Jersey.
@xper: I get what you're trying to say (I think) but you've used negatives so often I'm no longer sure. In fact, one of your sentences had so many negatives that I think it got sucked into a black hole because it just stopped!!
I still think Rev. Anthony should not be allowed near a high-profile game review. It just creates a negative image for the site as a whole. It doesn't matter if he honestly thinks that a game sucks, because it differs so much from the opinion of the majority that it's bound to piss off a ton of people.
@orangedude
Who cares if we piss off people? It's just a review, not someone inside our house screaming "THIS GOT A BAD REVIEW!!" from behind the sofa.
Who cares if we piss off people? It's just a review, not someone inside our house screaming "THIS GOT A BAD REVIEW!!" from behind the sofa.
orangedude:
You're missing the point -- I don't think most high-profile games suck. If you look at the text of, say, the Assassin's Creed review, it contains roughly the same amounts of praise and complaint you'd read in IGN's or Gamespot's review. They just choose to use the academic 1-10 scale, whereas I and the other Dtoiders use it the way it's meant to be used.
You're missing the point -- I don't think most high-profile games suck. If you look at the text of, say, the Assassin's Creed review, it contains roughly the same amounts of praise and complaint you'd read in IGN's or Gamespot's review. They just choose to use the academic 1-10 scale, whereas I and the other Dtoiders use it the way it's meant to be used.
Oh god, this is hilarious, everyone is all over Rev because he doesn't buy into the hype and tells his true feeling on games, now most of you sad little fanboys want him away from high profile games because it shatters the illusion that your overrated piece of shit, really is an overrated piece of shit.
Believe it or not, some of us feel like Rev does, I like his reviews, out of all the destructoid people, he's the only that seems like he's telling like it is and not once bought into any hype nor does he care about the history of the company who made the game, he just writes his review.
The only one creating a negative image here are you sad little kids who stand the fact that someone gave your precious zelda 4.0 or gave the Failssassins's Creed a low score.
Its funny really because it all comes back to that Zelda score, ever since he gave it a 4, people hate him now, get over it already, TP was dreadful.
I hope he does more reviews just to see the community cry some more about Rev being so unfair to their precious overrated masterpieces.
Pissing of people is how the internet is, its a place for differing opinions, wanting to stifle someone or shut them up simply because you can't take it is the dumbest thing I've ever read. Life isn't all kittens and roses, stop being such a whiny bitch simply because your overhyped isn't perfect 10's like you hyped yourself up for it to be.
Believe it or not, some of us feel like Rev does, I like his reviews, out of all the destructoid people, he's the only that seems like he's telling like it is and not once bought into any hype nor does he care about the history of the company who made the game, he just writes his review.
The only one creating a negative image here are you sad little kids who stand the fact that someone gave your precious zelda 4.0 or gave the Failssassins's Creed a low score.
Its funny really because it all comes back to that Zelda score, ever since he gave it a 4, people hate him now, get over it already, TP was dreadful.
I hope he does more reviews just to see the community cry some more about Rev being so unfair to their precious overrated masterpieces.
Pissing of people is how the internet is, its a place for differing opinions, wanting to stifle someone or shut them up simply because you can't take it is the dumbest thing I've ever read. Life isn't all kittens and roses, stop being such a whiny bitch simply because your overhyped isn't perfect 10's like you hyped yourself up for it to be.
I think Niero saves the day.
@Bronx
it should be Señor, but for some reason d'toid does not support foreign alphabets in names. See profile name seorcalavera for proof. That was my first try.
@Bronx
it should be Señor, but for some reason d'toid does not support foreign alphabets in names. See profile name seorcalavera for proof. That was my first try.
Necros-
I agree that many readers will just lazily look at the score without reading the review, but I don't think that this is a reason to continue giving scores. Why encourage such laziness? I think it would be better to break them of that habit by *not* giving scores.
The other problem with the scoring system is that, while it's valiant of you guys to try to "fix" the 1-10 scale (and I do agree that it's pointless to have a large scale where half the numbers are meaningless), it has to be accepted that the scale is so widely misused that it's unlikely that stubbornly going away from such misuse is going to change anything. When Destructoid's 5.5 is more akin to Gamespot's 7 or 7.5, it actually messes up critic's averages on Metacritic, Rotten Tomatoes, etc. If one of the reasons for giving scores is to be included in such critic's averages, it seems counter-productive to do so when your scoring system doesn't line up with that of most other critics.
That being said, I don't understand why people get so butt-hurt over their favorite games getting poor reviews (or poorer reviews than they'd like). If you played the game and liked it, who gives a shit if someone else didn't? It didn't keep YOU from playing the game. I bought Assassin's Creed and I enjoy it...what do I care if someone else didn't? If you're looking at reviews as a definitive guide as to what you should buy, you should be reading *several* reviews anyway, as every reviewer has their own likes, dislikes, and opinions which factor in.
I agree that many readers will just lazily look at the score without reading the review, but I don't think that this is a reason to continue giving scores. Why encourage such laziness? I think it would be better to break them of that habit by *not* giving scores.
The other problem with the scoring system is that, while it's valiant of you guys to try to "fix" the 1-10 scale (and I do agree that it's pointless to have a large scale where half the numbers are meaningless), it has to be accepted that the scale is so widely misused that it's unlikely that stubbornly going away from such misuse is going to change anything. When Destructoid's 5.5 is more akin to Gamespot's 7 or 7.5, it actually messes up critic's averages on Metacritic, Rotten Tomatoes, etc. If one of the reasons for giving scores is to be included in such critic's averages, it seems counter-productive to do so when your scoring system doesn't line up with that of most other critics.
That being said, I don't understand why people get so butt-hurt over their favorite games getting poor reviews (or poorer reviews than they'd like). If you played the game and liked it, who gives a shit if someone else didn't? It didn't keep YOU from playing the game. I bought Assassin's Creed and I enjoy it...what do I care if someone else didn't? If you're looking at reviews as a definitive guide as to what you should buy, you should be reading *several* reviews anyway, as every reviewer has their own likes, dislikes, and opinions which factor in.
"When reviewing a game, we judge a title against similar games already released, genre peers, and the title's success in accomplishing what it sets out to do in respect to overall fun -- in other words,our reviews aren't meant to be directly compared to one another"
Just adding it here so someone might actually read that ;).
Really, I bet a lot of the people just looked at the [meaning of each] score and, as usual, didn't read the text.
@Everyone bitching about TP
That is SOOOOOO last year.
@akathatoneguy
BrOnXbOmBr21 said why they keep the score (#19).
Just adding it here so someone might actually read that ;).
Really, I bet a lot of the people just looked at the [meaning of each] score and, as usual, didn't read the text.
@Everyone bitching about TP
That is SOOOOOO last year.
@akathatoneguy
BrOnXbOmBr21 said why they keep the score (#19).
So what do you think will happen in the future to the review scores on the IGN's of the web? Will they ever be able to realign themselves with the true 1-10 scale as proposed and executed herein, or will they eventually only be able to give a score between 7-9, with decimal points the only thing to differentiate between suckage and pwnage? Will review scores effectively become meaningless in the distant future? Will the top spot on gamerankings/metacritic become diluted?
I agree with Niero. But there has to be some way to verify that the member actually has played/rented the game. If not, fan-boys will skew the result.
Nex-
You are quite saucy today. Sometimes I feel that the staff can get just as panty twisted if the community doesn't agree with them as visa-versa.
Everyone else-
But we should appreciate the amount of feedback we get from staff, which dwarfs other sites. In closing, Jesus Christ!!! If you feel that the review was wrong, shell out the 3 bucks and find out for yourself.
Nex-
You are quite saucy today. Sometimes I feel that the staff can get just as panty twisted if the community doesn't agree with them as visa-versa.
Everyone else-
But we should appreciate the amount of feedback we get from staff, which dwarfs other sites. In closing, Jesus Christ!!! If you feel that the review was wrong, shell out the 3 bucks and find out for yourself.
"The only thing that bugs us more than wasted money is wasted time, and we're not interested in letting our readers waste either when selecting games to play"
I love that quote. QFT absolutely. And I've come to respect your reviews more and more over the years (creepy Dtoid is getting old now!). I have to say Reverend Anthony's are my favorites simply because he is the most brutally honest reviewer I've ever read. I often find his reviews could have been written by myself in what I agree with in the majority of them.
Way to post what the 1-10 represent now so newcomers can really get a better idea of the grading scale here in the Dtoid community.
I love that quote. QFT absolutely. And I've come to respect your reviews more and more over the years (creepy Dtoid is getting old now!). I have to say Reverend Anthony's are my favorites simply because he is the most brutally honest reviewer I've ever read. I often find his reviews could have been written by myself in what I agree with in the majority of them.
Way to post what the 1-10 represent now so newcomers can really get a better idea of the grading scale here in the Dtoid community.
I kinda like that this allows more room on scoring using all 10 numbers and it explains the score well on Assissins Creed. But if this does get syndicated how do they compensate this. I know they convert the other systems 1-5 etc but curious does Destructoid have the ability to let these sites that carry there reviews know this is a varient 10 point scale. I suppose they could use a formula like (Destructoid Score/2)+5 to get a standardised score. Though there are occationally games that get sub 5's on the traditionally 7-10 system.
I personally think the biggest issue with reviews is not the scale but that scores are sometimes scewed for whatever reason be that it's a fan favorite or a highly antispated title to desire to keep sponsorships. But I feel a lot of games do get the 7+ scores simply because the devs know how to make there games good even at the expense of not being innovative. There is some proof the old system can work looking at games like the 360/PS3 Sonic the Hedgehog on the gamerankings is like a 46.5% or below average.
I think to save complaints and put a twist on the score could be instead of a flat number rate it in Cocks so Assassins got 5.5 Cocks I suppose the Cocks could be kept singular and refer to the measure in Inches.
I personally think the biggest issue with reviews is not the scale but that scores are sometimes scewed for whatever reason be that it's a fan favorite or a highly antispated title to desire to keep sponsorships. But I feel a lot of games do get the 7+ scores simply because the devs know how to make there games good even at the expense of not being innovative. There is some proof the old system can work looking at games like the 360/PS3 Sonic the Hedgehog on the gamerankings is like a 46.5% or below average.
I think to save complaints and put a twist on the score could be instead of a flat number rate it in Cocks so Assassins got 5.5 Cocks I suppose the Cocks could be kept singular and refer to the measure in Inches.
Having paid attention in the past I knew most of this already, but it's nice to have it all together in once place. Sadly, people are still going to be crying about the damn numbers on every future review. As for myself, I'll be reading the text and laughing at the people hung up on the numbers, as if giving games a perceived low score somehow makes the title less enjoyable to an individual.
I'm really pissed off about the Uncharted score. Oh wait, it's still not here.
hurry I want to be pissed!
hurry I want to be pissed!
My question is where is the archive for past reviewed games. I can only see the list to the bottom of the page and there is no option to see older reviews.
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